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Canelo would be the first options because of the huge money involved but Golovkin should be very careful because Canelo would probably be fully stacked and raged with that juicy carne asada.

Saunders would be a nice unification fight.

If GGG is stripped of his IBF title, he probably won't be motivated to face Saunders.

It's also a "smaller" event from a commercial perspective, because all the titles won't be on the line.

If Tom Loeffler and HBO are unwilling to offer the Brit (at the very least) the same financial terms that Saunders agreed to last year, then we won't get the opportunity to see Gennady face Billy Joe.

GGG Promotions will be aware that Saunders is capable of earning mega bucks by engaging in bouts against fellow Brits, such as DeGale and Groves, so they may not even try to make the fight if they can't bid accordingly.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:56 If GGG is stripped of his IBF title, he probably won't be motivated to face Saunders.

It's also a "smaller" event from a commercial perspective, because all the titles won't be on the line.

If Tom Loeffler and HBO are unwilling to offer the Brit (at the very least) the same financial terms that Saunders agreed to last year, then we won't get the opportunity to see Gennady face Billy Joe.

GGG Promotions will be aware that Saunders is capable of earning mega bucks by engaging in bouts against fellow Brits, such as DeGale and Groves, so they may not even try to make the fight if they can't bid accordingly.

Saunders would probably ask for a ton af money like 10-15 M's, even more to fight GGG. I think GGG and his team are chasing a trilogy with Canelo (assuming the second fight gets made and it ends close/controversial) and belts would count less for GGG. It's only about big money.

Canelo is the first option indeed, as the rematch had been announced and then cancelled. Furthermore the first fight has left questions. All in all, the second fight must happen.

With GGG's last fight inflicting minimal damage, I would recommend he fight his IBF mando Derevchyenko next and get it over with.

Then fight Saunders in the UK in front of a packed stadium next January/February, then fight Murata in Japan in front of a packed stadium between May/July. With 2 undisputed title fights under his belt, he can just retire. Or fight Canelo afterwards. Canelo's the one who takes a hit if he refuses a matchup at that point. He's already taken a credibility hit.

I think the money made from 2 stadium fights in the UK and Japan, is equivalent to any money he makes from a Canelo PPV. Except he's the A side here and dictates the terms. Clearly makes off with 70% of the split, at the least.


Throwing that away for Canelo would be dumb. Its completely short sighted. If GGG becomes undisputed champion, he makes history and it will feed him for years to come from endorsements and ventures. He has the name already, but he just needs that legacy—it was always he dream to to accomplish this.

DA1 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:29 With GGG's last fight inflicting minimal damage, I would recommend he fight his IBF mando Derevchyenko next and get it over with.

Then fight Saunders in the UK in front of a packed stadium next January/February, then fight Murata in Japan in front of a packed stadium between May/July. With 2 undisputed title fights under his belt, he can just retire. Or fight Canelo afterwards. Canelo's the one who takes a hit if he refuses a matchup at that point. He's already taken a credibility hit.

I think the money made from 2 stadium fights in the UK and Japan, is equivalent to any money he makes from a Canelo PPV. Except he's the A side here and dictates the terms. Clearly makes off with 70% of the split, at the least.


Throwing that away for Canelo would be dumb. Its completely short sighted. If GGG becomes undisputed champion, he makes history and it will feed him for years to come from endorsements and ventures. He has the name already, but he just needs that legacy—it was always he dream to to accomplish this.

He'd probably make around 40-50 M's from the rematch with Canelo. That is life changing money. And if the rematch is close or controversial , guess what ? More money to come!

I'd prefer Saunders, Charlo, Derevyanchenko or Jacobs 2.

Canelo 2 just doesn't really excite me because I know it's not gonna be on the level.

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:44

DA1 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:29 With GGG's last fight inflicting minimal damage, I would recommend he fight his IBF mando Derevchyenko next and get it over with.

Then fight Saunders in the UK in front of a packed stadium next January/February, then fight Murata in Japan in front of a packed stadium between May/July. With 2 undisputed title fights under his belt, he can just retire. Or fight Canelo afterwards. Canelo's the one who takes a hit if he refuses a matchup at that point. He's already taken a credibility hit.

I think the money made from 2 stadium fights in the UK and Japan, is equivalent to any money he makes from a Canelo PPV. Except he's the A side here and dictates the terms. Clearly makes off with 70% of the split, at the least.


Throwing that away for Canelo would be dumb. Its completely short sighted. If GGG becomes undisputed champion, he makes history and it will feed him for years to come from endorsements and ventures. He has the name already, but he just needs that legacy—it was always he dream to to accomplish this.

He'd probably make around 40-50 M's from the rematch with Canelo. That is life changing money. And if the rematch is close or controversial , guess what ? More money to come!

What would he make from the 2 stadium fights in the UK and Japan?

Joseph Parker alone made $12 million from fighting Joshua. I'd assume Golovkin makes $25 million in the UK easy, if not more. Then add that same amount to a Ryoto Murata fight. Murata is already doing huge numbers on TV there and a Golovkin unification would easily fill up a 55k arena. Numbers that were very common in Japan for K-1/PRIDE and boxing events in the 2000s. The sponsorship money in Japan is big too, they don't do PPV there but they have advertising. Certain events on FujiTV or TBS do huge numbers (like crazy huge), this is one of those events because Japan has never had an undisputed fight at MW. Its like how Philippines stops when Pacquiao fights, except Japan has more money to be made from advertising spots.

Lose to Canelo and both go down the drain. The way I see it, GGG needs to ask himself "Does a guy who gets suspended even deserve to fight for an undisputed or unified title"?

Its entirely about short-term vs long-term gains. Golovkin, who's spent years of his life taking on countless challengers, should be smart enough to make that decision, rather than opting for the fewer bouts. But Loeffler seems to have other plans, he wants the easy cash. Him and DeLa Hoya were talking about a REMATCH before the first fight even took place.

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:44

DA1 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:29 With GGG's last fight inflicting minimal damage, I would recommend he fight his IBF mando Derevchyenko next and get it over with.

Then fight Saunders in the UK in front of a packed stadium next January/February, then fight Murata in Japan in front of a packed stadium between May/July. With 2 undisputed title fights under his belt, he can just retire. Or fight Canelo afterwards. Canelo's the one who takes a hit if he refuses a matchup at that point. He's already taken a credibility hit.

I think the money made from 2 stadium fights in the UK and Japan, is equivalent to any money he makes from a Canelo PPV. Except he's the A side here and dictates the terms. Clearly makes off with 70% of the split, at the least.


Throwing that away for Canelo would be dumb. Its completely short sighted. If GGG becomes undisputed champion, he makes history and it will feed him for years to come from endorsements and ventures. He has the name already, but he just needs that legacy—it was always he dream to to accomplish this.

He'd probably make around 40-50 M's from the rematch with Canelo. That is life changing money. And if the rematch is close or controversial , guess what ? More money to come!

I don't think he'll earn quite that much. The first fight only drew 1.3 million PPV buys. Good, but considering the multi-year hype it was a disappointment.

Rematches usually attract fewer buys, but with all the controversy it might end up in the same ballpark.

But Golovkin would probably come away with more than $25 million for a rematch.

Right now Golovkin's trying to play hardball and being wishy washy about Canelo in an attempt to get more concessions from GBP. But after his first KO last night in about 10 years, he was giddy and insisted that he'll fight anyone.

So it's a no-brainer that he'll battle Canelo come Mexican Independence Day for one of the biggest, if not THE biggest paydays of his career.

He's a businessman and he's not going to turn down whatever riches GBP offers.

Canelo's credibility? People have already made up their minds about him, good or bad. I don't think he's all that concerned with public perception.

He'll simply look for the best deal out there. Just like all the rest.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 17:22

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:44
He'd probably make around 40-50 M's from the rematch with Canelo. That is life changing money. And if the rematch is close or controversial , guess what ? More money to come!

I don't think he'll earn quite that much. The first fight only drew 1.3 million PPV buys. Good, but considering the multi-year hype it was a disappointment.

Rematches usually attract fewer buys, but with all the controversy it might end up in the same ballpark.

But Golovkin would probably come away with more than $25 million for a rematch.

Right now Golovkin's trying to play hardball and being wishy washy about Canelo in an attempt to get more concessions from GBP. But after his first KO last night in about 10 years, he was giddy and insisted that he'll fight anyone.

So it's a no-brainer that he'll battle Canelo come Mexican Independence Day for one of the biggest, if not THE biggest paydays of his career.

He's a businessman and he's not going to turn down whatever riches GBP offers.

Canelo's credibility? People have already made up their minds about him, good or bad. I don't think he's all that concerned with public perception.

He'll simply look for the best deal out there. Just like all the rest.

You're right here. GGG-Canelo isn't a $120 million fight. I doubt its even a $70 million dollar fight.

But i dont see why back to back Saunders and Murata fights aren't making them lick their lips, unless it is and they're already working on it behind the scenes. Both Top Rank and Queensberry have said they want the GGG unification. Both fights fill out giant stadiums where Golovkin takes the lion's share and dictates the terms. Because the whole selling-point behind either fight would be GGG bringing his belts to the table.

Canelo is a short-sighted poorman's deal. A loss to Clenelo, including a bad judging decision, kills both those fights. Its not worth it, there's money to be made in the UK and Japan. Even rematch money if that's the route people are eyeing. Whereas the rematches with Clenelo will keep yielding less and less, especially after he was suspended for Mexican Meat. Half his hype is dead. I bet fewer Mexican-Americans buy the PPV than last time.