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What makes a great trainer? Is it like the good teacher keen student relationship (Rooney/Tyson), or is it more like being lucky in finding and guiding great talent? (Sanchez/Golovkin). Or perhaps an unfathomable combination of both.

Some fighters seem to rely heavily and listen to their corner's advice, and then some like Haye recently, or Eubank Jr seem to ignore the pre-fight plan completely. Some like AJ feel that planning is overrated, it's all on the night.

Is good coaching close to 75% pre-fight preparation and 25% tactical advice during the fight? Or even maybe more on prep as not many trainers seem able to change things much during the fight itself. Angelo Dundee was one of the few who could.

We've just witnessed David Haye's former 'water carrier' Dave Coldwell, get one over Haye's new trainer the renowned Ismael Salas. How much credit should the trainers get, and how much time do they need?

Then later we saw Edmond Tarverdyan, Martirosyan’s trainer pitted against Abel Sanchez. What was he thinking of sending his fighter in like that against GGG? Surely that was the worst strategy possible? Is Sanchez right in saying he doesn't prepare for specific opponents, he simply tries to get his fighters to be the best they can be? Can any coach do more than that?

Who exactly is the best trainer in boxing today, and why? Could it be Lomachenko's dad Anatoly? He seems to done a great job so far as far as preparation goes.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 16:48 Is it like the good teacher keen student relationship (Rooney/Tyson)

Buuuuut Cus D'amato was the trainer who made Tyson great. Actually, now that you mention it, being Cus D'amato is what makes a boxing trainer great. The more that you are Cus D'amato and have Cus's dna and social security number, the better you are at training boxers. Plus Cus taught the training craft to a couple of other successful trainers like Teddy Atlas, Kevin Rooney, and Joey Fariello. Oh, and Joey Fariello trained Mark Breland, who now trains Deontay Wilder.

Freddie Roach has got to be a good trainer. He's received 7 trainer of the year awards, trained more champions than just about anybody, is inducted into multiple boxing hall of fames, and was taught the trainer craft by one of the best trainers ever -- Eddie Futch. His boxing experience also includes fighting Hector Camacho, Greg Haugen, and Bobby Chacon.

The best trainers are the ones who learned there craft , Not the ones who somehow convince people there good and talk a good game

Shingo Inoue is worth mentioning here...

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 01:39 Shingo Inoue is worth mentioning here...

Yes, sometimes the father / son (trainer/boxer) relationship works well as in Enzo and Joe Calzaghe, Shingo and Naoya Inoue as well the Lomachenko's and others such as Mayweather Snr and Jr.

Perhaps it's too much to ask of the son when the father is a boxing legend in their own right like 'Smokin' Joe.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 08:36

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 01:39 Shingo Inoue is worth mentioning here...

Yes, sometimes the father / son (trainer/boxer) relationship works well as in Enzo and Joe Calzaghe, Shingo and Naoya Inoue as well the Lomachenko's and others such as Mayweather Snr and Jr.

Perhaps it's too much to ask of the son when the father is a boxing legend in their own right like 'Smokin' Joe.

Shingo is doing it with 2 sons and a nephew which is really impressive and in fairness all 3 have pretty different styles

the best trainer is probably some guy in a
shitty gym, who doesn't have a real talent
at his hands.

James Ali Bashir is good. Not the best. Just a shout. I was surprised Usyk replaced him with Anatoly Loma.