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According to The Ring, Eddie Hearn has signed a 4 year deal with DAZN in the USA. I understand DAZN to be a sports version of Netflix.
Is such a platform overdue? I feel the big names in broadcasting were too slow to offer sport specific options and expected for too long to have everyone to keep paying not insignificant fees for minimal broadcast hours of interest; plus PPV rates.
We need better access to all the fights and, along with that, less battles between fighters on opposing networks.
The alphabet title situation is bad enough without the TV networks stalling the process.

These networks are going to become a bigger problem than the current Org's and promotion issues.

He should have just teamed up with HBO.. Maybe he tried. Who knows.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 May 2018, 12:37 These networks are going to become a bigger problem than the current Org's and promotion issues.

He should have just teamed up with HBO.. Maybe he tried. Who knows.

I think these new platforms are the future. Maybe not right now, maybe not this one, but the world has become too open and diverse for sports to be spread across multiple pay walls which offer little content of interest.
The old idea of TV stations has to move on because they're running an out of date model. IMO.
We either pay less for the current spread of channels or more for a complete provider. That's how I see it. YouTube currently gets more of the share based on delayed broadcast than it otherwise would.

A one billion dollar deal. Things may be looking up for boxing fans.

It's an 8 year deal, 16 shows a year apparently

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑10 May 2018, 16:46 That's 7.8 milion (dollar?) a show?

A reasonable price right now, a low price in the future...
8 Years is a long long time.

I'm guessing they might have thought about that before launching a billion dollar venture.
I would assume they aim to make money over those years, no?

All the UK shows will be on DAZN in the US.

Apparently it's $20 a month. AND not many are aware of DAZN. They will need to advertise big.

A good move potentially but feel he may need a 'marquee' fighter or two to sell this,

Eddie is incredible he never ceases to amaze me.
Bravo

Never heard of it.

16 fights a year in the U.S for 8 years.

Hard to expect to see Joshua on that app or whatever. Doesn't the dude do huge numbers in UK PPVs? Deals like this (Arum with that EPSN deal too) makes me think boxing will no longer have huge stars like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, De La Hoya, etc. pretty soon. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, though.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 00:40 Hard to expect to see Joshua on that app or whatever. Doesn't the dude do huge numbers in UK PPVs? Deals like this (Arum with that EPSN deal too) makes me think boxing will no longer have huge stars like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, De La Hoya, etc. pretty soon. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, though.

Depends where you are doesn't it ?
Why can't Joshua be on it ?

I think the real deal between them is announcing a grossly overestimated number just to get people to look up what DAZN even is. Seen it happen countless times before.

The economics doesn't make sense for such an unknown app to make a huge deal with a foreign promoter for this price, I also doubt its an 8 year deal. Might be 3 years and the rest is fluff. Its 7.8 million per show at the rate they're claiming, if each "fight" is supposed to mean show. Otherwise, you'd think 2 events alone would cover 16 "fights." Language isn't even clear.

Lets say it is 16 shows, not fights. That's US based shows. How many shows is Hearn already doing in the UK? Sounds like oversaturation. Who the hell wants to watch that much American boxing? When you factor in the stuff the other N.A. promoters will also be putting out. I would much rather boxing from other markets, like Japan, France/Spain, Russia and Asia than watch US based events which will obviously be the same old divisions we already have. If boxing heads this way, its dead in the US, it'll be the opposite of the Floyd/Pac years where you couldn't even find boxing on TV and nobody gave a crap (outside Floyd/Pac), now it'll be too much boxing and people will lose interest all over again. Because you can bet there's going to be other content that also floods the market as well. Everything starts to lose their spectacle and gets watered down.

The economics ... How much are you paying for what you consider to be the elite fixtures in the sporting calendar ?

Evander wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 00:59

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 00:40 Hard to expect to see Joshua on that app or whatever. Doesn't the dude do huge numbers in UK PPVs? Deals like this (Arum with that EPSN deal too) makes me think boxing will no longer have huge stars like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, De La Hoya, etc. pretty soon. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, though.

Depends where you are doesn't it ?
Why can't Joshua be on it ?

As I said, he does big numbers with PPV. The app is also not PPV. It's like the WWE channel where you get everything for one price.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 01:25

Evander wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 00:59

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 00:40 Hard to expect to see Joshua on that app or whatever. Doesn't the dude do huge numbers in UK PPVs? Deals like this (Arum with that EPSN deal too) makes me think boxing will no longer have huge stars like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, De La Hoya, etc. pretty soon. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, though.

Depends where you are doesn't it ?
Why can't Joshua be on it ?

As I said, he does big numbers with PPV. The app is also not PPV. It's like the WWE channel where you get everything for one price.

They talking $20 a month ?
Big money fights down the line will automatically go to PPV I would have thought.
They'll get greedy they always do

DA1 wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 01:02 it'll be the opposite of the Floyd/Pac years where you couldn't even find boxing on TV and nobody gave a crap (outside Floyd/Pac), now it'll be too much boxing

The mental arithmetic you've had to go through to show that the opposite of no boxing on TV is somehow a bad thing

It's what he's done in the UK, brought boxing to the masses and the sport has never been bigger over here.

Anyway, Hearn is obviously backing himself to be able to pick up a lot of top US boxers. If he does, I think this will be a big success - take out promotional disputes, TV rights disputes and make sure there's plenty of money and dates available and you're on to a winner. If I were a US-based boxing fan, I'd be willing him to succeed.

If he doesn't manage to bring in the fighters he needs then it's going to be a struggle to put on 16 good quality events.

the_doctor wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 02:27

DA1 wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 01:02 it'll be the opposite of the Floyd/Pac years where you couldn't even find boxing on TV and nobody gave a crap (outside Floyd/Pac), now it'll be too much boxing

The mental arithmetic you've had to go through to show that the opposite of no boxing on TV is somehow a bad thing

It's what he's done in the UK, brought boxing to the masses and the sport has never been bigger over here.

Anyway, Hearn is obviously backing himself to be able to pick up a lot of top US boxers. If he does, I think this will be a big success - take out promotional disputes, TV rights disputes and make sure there's plenty of money and dates available and you're on to a winner. If I were a US-based boxing fan, I'd be willing him to succeed.

If he doesn't manage to bring in the fighters he needs then it's going to be a struggle to put on 16 good quality events.

Its called "oversaturation"... a word I used, Im' guessing you didn't know what that meant when you read it? It means when you have too much of something that it becomes diluted. "Diluted" means watered down.

UFC puts on mediocre cards year round with twice as much output after they signed the FOX deal. I see boxing going far worse since we're dealing with multiple competitive promotions.

Its not an anti-Hearn thing. Its an everybody thing. Nothing in entertainment that you have too much off is ever a good thing. It ceases to be entertainment, it becomes boring. It might appeal to the diehard fans but the average or casual fan will get sick of it. Attendance will go down, and its already poor in the US already. I'm not talking about the UK, I'm talking about the US. If you can't grasp the simple concept of oversaturation, then its pointless repeating myself a third time.

Ok

I'm very much in favor of a Bo.xNa.tion type of thing except it has to show exclusive content that you otherwise won't get to see. As I SAID ALREADY, stuff like events from Japan, Russia, France, and elsewhere. Not a bunch of the same fighters and divisions beaten to the ground. Which is what this sounds like when it says "US-based fights". We already have US based stuff, and its in a great place right now with just the right amount of content across several TV channels (unlike the Floyd/Pac years). But 16 unique shows a year of just American events? Then factoring in the other US promotions too, that's overkill.

One a month and change looks doable to me.

Eddie Hearn's new US venture looks fabulous to me.

I hope he can establish some sort of business partnership with Al Haymon, like he does with key boxing figures in the UK, so that he can very quickly add PBC fighters or events to Matchroom US's shows.

Hearn will need to very quickly build a stable of big name American fighters, because if he doesn't, the quality of his shows will inevitably suffer and so will the ratings.

I hope he is successful with this new business venture.

Was Eddie in New York City recently ?
Did he speak to Shirley Winkle about the Deontay Wilder fight ?

DA1 wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 02:44Its called "oversaturation"... a word I used, Im' guessing you didn't know what that meant when you read it? It means when you have too much of something that it becomes diluted. "Diluted" means watered down.

UFC puts on mediocre cards year round with twice as much output after they signed the FOX deal. I see boxing going far worse since we're dealing with multiple competitive promotions.

Its not an anti-Hearn thing. Its an everybody thing. Nothing in entertainment that you have too much off is ever a good thing. It ceases to be entertainment, it becomes boring. It might appeal to the diehard fans but the average or casual fan will get sick of it. Attendance will go down, and its already poor in the US already. I'm not talking about the UK, I'm talking about the US. If you can't grasp the simple concept of oversaturation, then its pointless repeating myself a third time.

Wow. I've read a lot of self-important, patronising posts in my time, but this one is up there

I disagree fundamentally that 16 shows a year will saturate the market. Its barely one a month.

Of course it depends on the quality of the product. As I say, if he can't sign the names he needs, it won't work. But if he can, there is a realistic prospect of monthly, quality world title fights and solid undercards.

His deal with Sky in the UK is 16-20 per year and, as I say, the casual fan is lapping it up. Its never been bigger in this country. The US is riddled with promotional disputes, TV disputes - eliminate those and you have a much better chance of making the fights fans want to see.