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Would like to see Agit Kabayel clear a path to a title shot. What happens if he's machted up with Dimitrenko?

Kabayel by late KO is my pick. I think this kid is on a path. Thoughts? Why?

Agit wins by no in 7.
The guys pretty good

I would like to see Agit in with Whyte

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 May 2018, 11:42 I would like to see Agit in with Whyte

Hmmmm...interesting indeed!

Would be a step back, imo. Dimitrenko isn't that good. He's just building up a resume really.

Hammer, Takam, Mansour, or Dawjeko would probably be more ideal. Then he can go for Miller or Kownacki.

I think Chisora is better than Dimitrenko, if that answers your question. Not to mention that Kabayel dominated Rovcanin, who Dimitrenko struggled immensely with, so I think there is adequate evidence that Kabayel is in a class above Dimitrenko.

I would prefer to see Kabayel fight someone who is a bit better; and if possible, someone who is partially but not fully proven, so that they mutually test each other. Examples would be Martin, Breazeale, Ruiz Jr., Hughie Fury, Kownacki, or Bellew (he's tested in general, but not appropriately so at heavyweight, and it's hard to accurately rank him without more information).

Kabayal looks pretty solid at Euro level.

Cant see him rising above that though.

Dimitrenko is a disgrace like Tom Schwarz. An utter waste of time.

Id love to see Whyte v Kabayal but its too risky for Whyte who will be holding out for the big title fights.

Kabayal v Wallin seems a natural fight now

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 14:13 Kabayal looks pretty solid at Euro level.

Cant see him rising above that though.

Dimitrenko is a disgrace like Tom Schwarz. An utter waste of time.

Id love to see Whyte v Kabayal but its too risky for Whyte who will be holding out for the big title fights.

Kabayal v Wallin seems a natural fight now

Whyte v Kabayal - I would love that fight. I think Kabayal could make some noise.

it should be dimitrenko vs schwarz

jamamb wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 14:15 it should be dimitrenko vs schwarz

Why do you say that? I think Kabayel wrecks Dimitrenko.

seems a more evenly matched fight then this and would be a good step up for scharwz.

jamamb wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 14:19 seems a more evenly matched fight then this and would be a good step up for scharwz.

I was actually going to assume that. Neither gets my interest up, although Schwarz has more upside. Kabayel has the highest ceiling..

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 14:13 Kabayal looks pretty solid at Euro level.

Cant see him rising above that though.

Dimitrenko is a disgrace like Tom Schwarz. An utter waste of time.

Id love to see Whyte v Kabayal but its too risky for Whyte who will be holding out for the big title fights.

Kabayal v Wallin seems a natural fight now

I agree Kabayel is a natural target for Wallin now there's nothing left in Sweden for him.

Why do you call Dimitrenko and Schwarz a disgrace?

I agree with Jammy that a fight between those two is more of a contest than Kabayel v Dimitrenko. Kabayel should be looking at people like Hammer, Kownacki, Duhaupas etc. Whyte is looking up and quite rightly wouldn't be interested in Kabayel. Maybe same goes for Kownacki.

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 14:13 Kabayal looks pretty solid at Euro level.

Cant see him rising above that though.

Dimitrenko is a disgrace like Tom Schwarz. An utter waste of time.

Id love to see Whyte v Kabayal but its too risky for Whyte who will be holding out for the big title fights.

Kabayal v Wallin seems a natural fight now

So you are actually capable of holding the following two thoughts in your head at the same time...
-Kabayel can't rise above continental level.
-Kabayel poses a risk of beating a top 7 heavyweight.

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 14:13 Kabayal looks pretty solid at Euro level.

Cant see him rising above that though.

Dimitrenko is a disgrace like Tom Schwarz. An utter waste of time.

Id love to see Whyte v Kabayal but its too risky for Whyte who will be holding out for the big title fights.

Kabayal v Wallin seems a natural fight now

Euro level is pretty much world level considering how bad the division is currently.

candyslim wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 15:35

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 14:13 Kabayal looks pretty solid at Euro level.

Cant see him rising above that though.

Dimitrenko is a disgrace like Tom Schwarz. An utter waste of time.

Id love to see Whyte v Kabayal but its too risky for Whyte who will be holding out for the big title fights.

Kabayal v Wallin seems a natural fight now

I agree Kabayel is a natural target for Wallin now there's nothing left in Sweden for him.

Why do you call Dimitrenko and Schwarz a disgrace?

I agree with Jammy that a fight between those two is more of a contest than Kabayel v Dimitrenko. Kabayel should be looking at people like Hammer, Kownacki, Duhaupas etc. Whyte is looking up and quite rightly wouldn't be interested in Kabayel. Maybe same goes for Kownacki.

Because he went down like he got shot on a light tapping headbutt in the corner just like Dimitrenko against that Rocanin fellow. It was pretty sad & Schwarz was a serious cry baby against his last opponent calling for the ref to DQ his opponent instead of toughening up & knocking the guy out. The ref DQ'd him. Schwarz looked like such a sissy as a guy much smaller than him bullied him around. Tom was winning the fight but he looked like such a clown...Dimitrenko went down like he got shot from a late tap when the ref called for a break. Sasha was having issues so he resorted to that. The ref rolled his eyes along with everyone in the crowd who saw in was clearly a dive. His opponent lost 3 points & still got a draw. Sasha then had to appeal the decision to get it changed to a DQ so he could keep the possible Kabayel title fight intact.

Thanks Joe. That makes sense now.

Kabayel can be world level IMHO. He has some size; great strength; decent punching power; and can move a bit. We'll see hopefully late this year, another level up.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 09:30 Kabayel can be world level IMHO. He has some size; great strength; decent punching power; and can move a bit. We'll see hopefully late this year, another level up.

It amazes me that Whyte is considered world class by getting beat like a dog by Joshua. And then winning a controversial decision over Chisora.
Yet Agit Kaybell wins an extremely easy decision over Chisora and he's considered euro level at best.
The hypocrisy is asinine.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 12:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 09:30 Kabayel can be world level IMHO. He has some size; great strength; decent punching power; and can move a bit. We'll see hopefully late this year, another level up.

It amazes me that Whyte is considered world class by getting beat like a dog by Joshua. And then winning a controversial decision over Chisora.
Yet Agit Kaybell wins an extremely easy decision over Chisora and he's considered euro level at best.
The hypocrisy is asinine.

Yeah...great points...didn't make sense to me either. I'm in agreement with you (for a change! lol!)

tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 12:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 09:30 Kabayel can be world level IMHO. He has some size; great strength; decent punching power; and can move a bit. We'll see hopefully late this year, another level up.

It amazes me that Whyte is considered world class by getting beat like a dog by Joshua. And then winning a controversial decision over Chisora.
Yet Agit Kaybell wins an extremely easy decision over Chisora and he's considered euro level at best.
The hypocrisy is asinine.

He's in pretty good company being beaten by Joshua and in no more canine fashion that anyone else AJ has destroyed. Add to that everyone, including AJ, knew he had a shoulder injury going into that fight yet he still hurt Joshua more than any opponent except Klitschko.

He's has also beaten former golden boy Helenius, former WBA champ Browne by brutal knock out, and overcame a genuinely fired up Dereck Chisora not the disinterested pussycat who showed up against Pulev and Kabayel.

I agree Kabayel shows promise. He impressed me first time I watched him against fellow prospect Christian Lewandowski, although I think it's fair to say Lewandowski has since fallen by the wayside, and has arguably been overtaken by little brother Denis. Rovcanin was a good win although he is basically a cruiserweight unless I'm getting mixed up. Hubeaux was previously undefeated but the best thing you can say for his beaten opponents is that some of them had actually won more than they lost.

So then we come back to Chisora who Kabayel beat on a majority decision: My football team is West Ham United and nothing much to shout about. If you're say Liverpool or one of the Manchesters, you look at West Ham and think anything less than 6 points over the two games would be a disappointment. If you're local rivals Tottenham, you don't have that luxury because whatever the gap in class they know they are in for a war against the hated enemy. In that analogy Whyte and Chisora are Tottenham and West Ham. Kabayel is Liverpool. It just isn't the same intensity.

The bottom line is I'm going to be continuing to watch Kabayel with interest but I'm not going overboard quite yet. All I would say is don't compare Whyte and Kabayel's performance against Chisora without keeping in mind that Chisora was intent on ripping Whyte's head off.

candyslim wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 13:44

tiny_acres wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 12:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 09:30 Kabayel can be world level IMHO. He has some size; great strength; decent punching power; and can move a bit. We'll see hopefully late this year, another level up.

It amazes me that Whyte is considered world class by getting beat like a dog by Joshua. And then winning a controversial decision over Chisora.
Yet Agit Kaybell wins an extremely easy decision over Chisora and he's considered euro level at best.
The hypocrisy is asinine.

He's in pretty good company being beaten by Joshua and in no more canine fashion that anyone else AJ has destroyed. Add to that everyone, including AJ, knew he had a shoulder injury going into that fight yet he still hurt Joshua more than any opponent except Klitschko.

He's also beaten former golden boy Helenius, former WBA champ Browne by brutal knock out, and overcame a genuinely fired up Dereck Chisora not the disinterested pussycat who showed up against Pulev and Kabayel.

I agree Kabayel shows promise. He impressed me first time I watched him against fellow prospect Christian Lewandowski, although I think it's fair to say Lewandowski has since fallen by the wayside, and has arguably been overtaken by little brother Denis. Rovcanin was a good win although he is basically a cruiserweight unless I'm getting mixed up. Hubeaux was previously undefeated but the best thing you can say for his beaten opponents is that some of them had actually won more than they lost.

So then we come back to Chisora who Kabayel beat on a majority decision: My football team is West Ham United and nothing much to shout about. If you're say Liverpool or one of the Manchesters, you look at West Ham and think anything less than 6 points over the two games would be a disappointment. If your local rivals Tottenham, you don't have that luxury because whatever the gap in class they know they are in for a war against the hated enemy. In that analogy Whyte and Chisora are Tottenham and West Ham. Kabayel is Liverpool. It just isn't the same intensity.

The bottom line is I'm going to be continuing to watch Kabayel with interest but I'm not going overboard quite yet. All I would say is don't compare Whyte and Kabayel's performance against Chisora without keeping in mind that Chisora was intent on ripping Whyte's head off.

It's tough to rate a fighter based on common opponents, if not damn near impossible. I always say, "Frazier beat Ali; Norton beat Ali; Foreman destroyed Norton and Frazier; Ali kayoed Foreman."

That said, Kabayel has a lot to still prove, but IMHO, he's worth watching. As for AJ"s opponents, well, you said it all.

Yes it's hard enough even when there is no appreciable difference in motivation levels, never mind when a fighter would much prefer to win against one opponent and is almost prepared to die to get the win against the other.

I want to see Kabayel Vs Joe Joyce

That'd be a good fight and continuing an old tradition of fights between holders of the Commonwealth and the European titles even if they wouldn't both be on the line.