Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 18:17
Is it unethical for a corner to disregard a fighters expressed unwillingness to continue a fight?
BoxRec
Corners obligation to protect fighters
Page 1 of 1
Re: Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 18:22
Most definitely. If a guy is telling you he doesn't want to continue then he almost certainly isn't going to win, and has had enough. It's his health that's on the line, not yours as his cornerman. So yes, it's definitely unethical.
Re: Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 18:37
What about fighters who need a little kick in the rear from their corners?
Fighters who might be quick to throw in the towel but end up benefiting from corner that urges them to dig deep and face adversity.
Remember even Ali panicked and wanted Dundee to cut his gloves off when he was blinded against Liston.
Dundee would have none of it, urged Ali to "aim for the guy in the middle" and shoved the future Greatest back out to embrace history.
Some cornerman simply want their fighters to reach deep during troubling moments. And some fighters need a confidence boost that the corner can often instill by urging him to fight on.
Fighters who might be quick to throw in the towel but end up benefiting from corner that urges them to dig deep and face adversity.
Remember even Ali panicked and wanted Dundee to cut his gloves off when he was blinded against Liston.
Dundee would have none of it, urged Ali to "aim for the guy in the middle" and shoved the future Greatest back out to embrace history.
Some cornerman simply want their fighters to reach deep during troubling moments. And some fighters need a confidence boost that the corner can often instill by urging him to fight on.
Re: Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 18:40
I suppose there are always exceptions, but more often than not if a guy is telling you he's had enough he's probably a beaten man.SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 18:37 What about fighters who need a little kick in the rear from their corners?
Fighters who might be quick to throw in the towel but end up benefiting from corner that urges them to dig deep and face adversity.
Remember even Ali panicked and wanted Dundee to cut his gloves off when he was blinded against Liston.
Dundee would have none of it, urged Ali to "aim for the guy in the middle" and shoved the future Greatest back out to embrace history.
Some cornerman simply want their fighters to reach deep during troubling moments. And some fighters need a confidence boost that the corner can often instill by urging him to fight on.
I do remember Micky Ward saying though "If a guy ever quit on me in the corner, or was ready to give up on himself before I was ready to give up on him. When we got to the back I'd kick him in the balls, and tell him don't ever come into my gym again or waste another second of my time!"
Re: Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 18:59
Yes fair point. The corner should know the boxer better than anyone else; it should be straightforward enough for them to distinguish between when their fighter needs a bit of motivation and when their fighter is in distress.SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 18:37 What about fighters who need a little kick in the rear from their corners?
Fighters who might be quick to throw in the towel but end up benefiting from corner that urges them to dig deep and face adversity.
Remember even Ali panicked and wanted Dundee to cut his gloves off when he was blinded against Liston.
Dundee would have none of it, urged Ali to "aim for the guy in the middle" and shoved the future Greatest back out to embrace history.
Some cornerman simply want their fighters to reach deep during troubling moments. And some fighters need a confidence boost that the corner can often instill by urging him to fight on.
But if they are in any doubt, they should stop the fight.
Re: Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 19:32
No only unethical, but it could get you fines; suspensions; bans (Panama Lewis); and imprisonment if it goes too far. Fighter's safety is supposed to be the number one rule in boxing, from Referees, Ring Doctors, and oh yes...handlers. This topic always riles me up as we've all seen some horrible related occurrences in the sweet science due to lack of safety. A topic that needs to be more to the fore.
Re: Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 19:42
I know I went further than a fighters willingness and I apologize as it was a bit off the topic. I'm just very passionate about this.oogiebe wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 19:32No only unethical, but it could get you fines; suspensions; bans (Panama Lewis); and imprisonment if it goes too far. Fighter's safety is supposed to be the number one rule in boxing, from Referees, Ring Doctors, and oh yes...handlers. This topic always riles me up as we've all seen some horrible related occurrences in the sweet science due to lack of safety. A topic that needs to be more to the fore.
Re: Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 19:48
http://www.martialartssparring.org/cornerman-guide
Great article on cornerman's guide: How to work the boxing corner. See the section on
Great article on cornerman's guide: How to work the boxing corner. See the section on
The cornerman’s job when things go wrong
Re: Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 20:08
This female UFC fighter wanted to quit after 4 rounds but her corner sent her out for the 5th and she ended up being stopped anyway.
Cold-hearted incompetence...
Cold-hearted incompetence...
Re: Corners obligation to protect fighters
Posted: 16 May 2018, 20:27
horribleBest Coast wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 20:08 This female UFC fighter wanted to quit after 4 rounds but her corner sent her out for the 5th and she ended up being stopped anyway.
Cold-hearted incompetence...