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Ugonoh is now scheduled to fight Fred Kassi. After his performance against Breazeale, I find it hard to believe that his handlers would match him against such a low rated fighter. I realize he lost that bout, but he looked good before gassing out. I find it difficult to understand the huge drop in opponent quality. I'm not saying he should fight a top 20, but Fred Kassi? How I this a positive for Ugonoh's career path? Anyone?

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:46 Ugonoh is now scheduled to fight Fred Kassi. After his performance against Breazeale, I find it hard to believe that his handlers would match him against such a low rated fighter. I realize he lost that bout, but he looked good before gassing out. I find it difficult to understand the huge drop in opponent quality. I'm not saying he should fight a top 20, but Fred Kassi? How I this a positive for Ugonoh's career path? Anyone?

Who would you match him with?

Taansend wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:55

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:46 Ugonoh is now scheduled to fight Fred Kassi. After his performance against Breazeale, I find it hard to believe that his handlers would match him against such a low rated fighter. I realize he lost that bout, but he looked good before gassing out. I find it difficult to understand the huge drop in opponent quality. I'm not saying he should fight a top 20, but Fred Kassi? How I this a positive for Ugonoh's career path? Anyone?

Who would you match him with?

How about:
Erkan Teper
Mariusz Wach
Trevor Bryan
Artur Szpilka
Junior Fa

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:58

Taansend wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:55

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:46 Ugonoh is now scheduled to fight Fred Kassi. After his performance against Breazeale, I find it hard to believe that his handlers would match him against such a low rated fighter. I realize he lost that bout, but he looked good before gassing out. I find it difficult to understand the huge drop in opponent quality. I'm not saying he should fight a top 20, but Fred Kassi? How I this a positive for Ugonoh's career path? Anyone?

Who would you match him with?

How about:
Erkan Teper
Mariusz Wach
Trevor Bryan
Artur Szpilka
Junior Fa

It is his first comeback fight & we don't know if there's the kitty to bring in a Fa or pay for the others. They'd command a bigger purse than Kassi.

Plus Szpilka is on the same bill. Maybe that's the next fight.

If the money isn't there to pay for the top opponents then just getting him back in the ring is a biug deal. Kassi is reasonably durable although Miller did him early.

Ugonoh has been over for 14 months. He is coming off a bad ko. This isn't terrible.

Taansend wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:58

Taansend wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:55

Who would you match him with?

How about:
Erkan Teper
Mariusz Wach
Trevor Bryan
Artur Szpilka
Junior Fa

It is his first comeback fight & we don't know if there's the kitty to bring in a Fa or pay for the others. They'd command a bigger purse than Kassi.

Plus Szpilka is on the same bill. Maybe that's the next fight.

If the money isn't there to pay for the top opponents then just getting him back in the ring is a biug deal. Kassi is reasonably durable although Miller did him early.

Ugonoh has been over for 14 months. He is coming off a bad ko. This isn't terrible.

You might be right. We'll see what happens NEXT fight.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... ilit=Kassi

Already exists in the CS.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:28 http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... ilit=Kassi

Already exists in the CS.

That's a poll on who wins...this is a thread on 'who cares.'

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:29

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:28 http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... ilit=Kassi

Already exists in the CS.

That's a poll on who wins...this is a thread on 'who cares.'

I dnuh. I like Ugonoh. He and Brezeale were a good clash of styles. Good short fight. I think he can give a few other contenders a decent scrap.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:29

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:28 http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... ilit=Kassi

Already exists in the CS.

That's a poll on who wins...this is a thread on 'who cares.'

I dnuh. I like Ugonoh. He and Brezeale were a good clash of styles. Good short fight. I think he can give a few other contenders a decent scrap.

I agree and that was the point of the thread. Why drop down to a Kassi?

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:46 Ugonoh is now scheduled to fight Fred Kassi. After his performance against Breazeale, I find it hard to believe that his handlers would match him against such a low rated fighter. I realize he lost that bout, but he looked good before gassing out. I find it difficult to understand the huge drop in opponent quality. I'm not saying he should fight a top 20, but Fred Kassi? How I this a positive for Ugonoh's career path? Anyone?

As opposed to Gregory Tony and Ricardo Ramirez? Ugonoh's matchmakers have always matched him softly when they aren't feeding him to the sharks for a big paycheck. They obviously have no faith in him. I still believe that boxrec posters put too much faith in Ugonoh, which is how you get threads like this. Ugonoh's matchmakers seem to know that he would lose if they matched him against a top 50 opponent. Who is Ugonoh's best win so far?

Lackeos wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:46 Ugonoh is now scheduled to fight Fred Kassi. After his performance against Breazeale, I find it hard to believe that his handlers would match him against such a low rated fighter. I realize he lost that bout, but he looked good before gassing out. I find it difficult to understand the huge drop in opponent quality. I'm not saying he should fight a top 20, but Fred Kassi? How I this a positive for Ugonoh's career path? Anyone?

As opposed to Gregory Tony and Ricardo Ramirez? Ugonoh's matchmakers have always matched him softly when they aren't feeding him to the sharks for a big paycheck. They obviously have no faith in him. I still believe that boxrec posters put too much faith in Ugonoh, which is how you get threads like this. Ugonoh's matchmakers seem to know that he would lose if they matched him against a top 50 opponent. Who is Ugonoh's best win so far?

Mismanagement. A shame.

Kassi isn't a bad opponent for his first fight back after that long layoff coming off of a KO loss. But, they definitely need to step up his competition & keep him busier after this if they plan on turning him into a genuine contender.
Opponents like Kassi are decent trial horses who provide much-needed tests for young up & coming heavies & stay busy fights for the more established guys but I can't stand it when some fighters make an entire career out of fighting them. IMO there definitely needs to be more contender vs contender fights & crossroads bouts between prospects. Especially in the heavyweight division.

Let's not forget that, even if Uzgonoh deserved to share a ring with Robert Helenius or Alexander Ustinov, he is coming off of a KO defeat and a 15-month period of inactivity. It would be common matchmaking convention to match him below his level in the first time back. You could call this a confidence-builder, since he's rebounding from a tough loss, or you could call it a tune-up, since he's shaking-off 15 months of rust. Considering that he was not well-accomplished to begin with, it is sort of quality practice as much as anything else. He's only ever fought like one person who was as good as Kassi, IMO.

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:50 Kassi isn't a bad opponent for his first fight back after that long layoff coming off of a KO loss. But, they definitely need to step up his competition & keep him busier after this if they plan on turning him into a genuine contender.
Opponents like Kassi are decent trial horses who provide much-needed tests for young up & coming heavies & stay busy fights for the more established guys but I can't stand it when some fighters make an entire career out of fighting them. IMO there definitely needs to be more contender vs contender fights & crossroads bouts between prospects. Especially in the heavyweight division.

My problem is the matchmaking dropping so far below where Ugonoh is at, especially after fighting a Breazeale. Doesn't make any sense to me, in terms of development.

Ugonoh needs to rebuild, and Kassi is a lot better than his boxrec suggests, a lot of people think he deserved to beat Breazeale (I haven't seen it).

Kassi is probably atleast as good as anyone Ugonoh has beat too.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:02 Ugonoh needs to rebuild, and Kassi is a lot better than his boxrec suggests, a lot of people think he deserved to beat Breazeale (I haven't seen it).

Kassi is probably atleast as good as anyone Ugonoh has beat too.

Since you are more familiar with Kassi than I am, I'll defer to you on this. (Really, Oogiebe? No one does that!)

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:38

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:29
That's a poll on who wins...this is a thread on 'who cares.'

I dnuh. I like Ugonoh. He and Brezeale were a good clash of styles. Good short fight. I think he can give a few other contenders a decent scrap.

I agree and that was the point of the thread. Why drop down to a Kassi?

Fighting Kassi after a year out and a loss is like fighting Johnson. However, I expect him to move on to better after.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:08

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:38

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:32

I dnuh. I like Ugonoh. He and Brezeale were a good clash of styles. Good short fight. I think he can give a few other contenders a decent scrap.

I agree and that was the point of the thread. Why drop down to a Kassi?

Fighting Kassi after a year out and a loss is like fighting Johnson. However, I expect him to move on to better after.

I hope you are right.

Taansend wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:58

Taansend wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:55

Who would you match him with?

How about:
Erkan Teper
Mariusz Wach
Trevor Bryan
Artur Szpilka
Junior Fa

It is his first comeback fight & we don't know if there's the kitty to bring in a Fa or pay for the others. They'd command a bigger purse than Kassi.

Plus Szpilka is on the same bill. Maybe that's the next fight.

If the money isn't there to pay for the top opponents then just getting him back in the ring is a biug deal. Kassi is reasonably durable although Miller did him early.

Ugonoh has been over for 14 months. He is coming off a bad ko. This isn't terrible.

i doubt Ugonoh vs Szpilka will happen because they have same trainer, but i would like to see it

dagilechia wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:44

Taansend wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:58

How about:
Erkan Teper
Mariusz Wach
Trevor Bryan
Artur Szpilka
Junior Fa

It is his first comeback fight & we don't know if there's the kitty to bring in a Fa or pay for the others. They'd command a bigger purse than Kassi.

Plus Szpilka is on the same bill. Maybe that's the next fight.

If the money isn't there to pay for the top opponents then just getting him back in the ring is a biug deal. Kassi is reasonably durable although Miller did him early.

Ugonoh has been over for 14 months. He is coming off a bad ko. This isn't terrible.

i doubt Ugonoh vs Szpilka will happen because they have same trainer, but i would like to see it

Right!? Sharing a trainer doesn't mean the fighters won't fight. I don't have to point out fights such as Ali/Ellis, etc.

Lackeos wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 12:46 Ugonoh is now scheduled to fight Fred Kassi. After his performance against Breazeale, I find it hard to believe that his handlers would match him against such a low rated fighter. I realize he lost that bout, but he looked good before gassing out. I find it difficult to understand the huge drop in opponent quality. I'm not saying he should fight a top 20, but Fred Kassi? How I this a positive for Ugonoh's career path? Anyone?

As opposed to Gregory Tony and Ricardo Ramirez? Ugonoh's matchmakers have always matched him softly when they aren't feeding him to the sharks for a big paycheck. They obviously have no faith in him. I still believe that boxrec posters put too much faith in Ugonoh, which is how you get threads like this. Ugonoh's matchmakers seem to know that he would lose if they matched him against a top 50 opponent. Who is Ugonoh's best win so far?

he's got different matchmakers not, he is not with Duco events (is that how Parkers promotions group is called right), hes back to Poland now. Ugonoh was proposed to fight on this event against Wach but both refused it, Ugonoh fights Kassi and Wach fights Molina on the same card

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:45

dagilechia wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:44

Taansend wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 13:19

It is his first comeback fight & we don't know if there's the kitty to bring in a Fa or pay for the others. They'd command a bigger purse than Kassi.

Plus Szpilka is on the same bill. Maybe that's the next fight.

If the money isn't there to pay for the top opponents then just getting him back in the ring is a biug deal. Kassi is reasonably durable although Miller did him early.

Ugonoh has been over for 14 months. He is coming off a bad ko. This isn't terrible.

i doubt Ugonoh vs Szpilka will happen because they have same trainer, but i would like to see it

Right!? Sharing a trainer doesn't mean the fighters won't fight. I don't have to point out fights such as Ali/Ellis, etc.

i just think their trainer will just not agree, and Szpilka and Ugonoh train in the same gym ,they are friends, spar together, i doubt it gonna happen, for a loser of this fight it would end of real career, neither their trainer and promoters want that

btw i expect Ugonoh to be in very good shape, Gmitruk is a very good trainer, Masternak and Sulecki showed up well last time and showed improvement since started to train with him again. looking at Ugonoh's record, it gonna be the best opponent he have beaten if wins, i would like to see him next vs someone like Gerald Washington, Robert Helenius, Dereck Chisora, Amir Mansour, Manuel Charr

dagilechia wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:45

dagilechia wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:44
i doubt Ugonoh vs Szpilka will happen because they have same trainer, but i would like to see it

Right!? Sharing a trainer doesn't mean the fighters won't fight. I don't have to point out fights such as Ali/Ellis, etc.

i just think they trainer will just not agree, and Szpilka and Ugonoh train in the same gym ,they are friends, spar together, i doubt it gonna happen, for a loser of this fight it would end of real career, neither their trainer and promoters want that

Szpilka has no reason or want to fight an Ugonoh. Would be a bad move on his part anyway.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:53

dagilechia wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:45

Right!? Sharing a trainer doesn't mean the fighters won't fight. I don't have to point out fights such as Ali/Ellis, etc.

i just think they trainer will just not agree, and Szpilka and Ugonoh train in the same gym ,they are friends, spar together, i doubt it gonna happen, for a loser of this fight it would end of real career, neither their trainer and promoters want that

Szpilka has no reason or want to fight an Ugonoh. Would be a bad move on his part anyway.

yeah i think Izu would ko Szpilka, Artur is just 29 years old but he is a done fighter, i guess he gonna be ko'ed badly by everyone who can bang, Wilder basically ended his career, Kownacki loss doesnt help either, i think he cant take a punch anymore, i think Adamek would beat him in rematch. btw it would be nice to see Ugonoh against Adamek too but it's impossible due to television conflict

dagilechia wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:57

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:53

dagilechia wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:50

i just think they trainer will just not agree, and Szpilka and Ugonoh train in the same gym ,they are friends, spar together, i doubt it gonna happen, for a loser of this fight it would end of real career, neither their trainer and promoters want that

Szpilka has no reason or want to fight an Ugonoh. Would be a bad move on his part anyway.

yeah i think Izu would ko Szpilka, Artur is just 29 years old but he is a done fighter, i guess he gonna be ko'ed badly by everyone who can bang, Wilder basically ended his career, Kownacki loss doesnt help either, i think he cant take a punch anymore, i think Adamek would beat him in rematch

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