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Briscoe wobbles the great Monzon at the 2:35 mark in their rematch in Argentina in 1972.

In fairness, that was a beautiful shot, right on the button, by Briscoe. What's scary is Monzon's rapid recuperative powers, given what a head snapper that shot was!

Monzon had a great performance that night. He provided a boxing lesson, he got caught, but survived and continued to dominate the fight proving his durability and great chin qualities.

King Carlos in his prime was terrific. I just can't see no middleweight in history beating him. He looked like a light-heavyweight besides those Middleweight. What a champion. Without a doubt, the greatest middleweight boxer of all time. The way he uses that jab, is amazing. It's like a measuring stick so that he could throw those lethal right hands. A thing of beauty. Bad Bennie must had one of the greatest chins of all time. He took everything Monzon dished at him, and he didn't flinch.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 08:18 King Carlos in his prime was terrific. I just can't see no middleweight in history beating him. He looked like a light-heavyweight besides those Middleweight. What a champion. Without a doubt, the greatest middleweight boxer of all time. The way he uses that jab, is amazing. It's like a measuring stick so that he could throw those lethal right hands. A thing of beauty. Bad Bennie must had one of the greatest chins of all time. He took everything Monzon dished at him, and he didn't flinch.

Exactly. Furthermore, he had great positioning skills. He boxed, where he felt it comfortable to do, he was able to find right angles for the attack easily.

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 07:47 In fairness, that was a beautiful shot, right on the button, by Briscoe. What's scary is Monzon's rapid recuperative powers, given what a head snapper that shot was!

No biggie.

Bad Benny could really whack. That right hand would have at least wobbled any MW.

Briscoe's power was only exceeded by his chin, which was next to impossible to dent.

It was stunning when Valdez KOd Briscoe a couple years after the Monzon fight. It was the only time that Briscoe was ever stopped.

Don't forget that Briscoe fought Monzon to a draw in Argentina back in the 60s. Briscoe always insisted that he won about 8 rounds in that 10 rounder.

Others agree.

Bad Bennie Briscoe was one tough Philly fighter.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 12:41 No biggie.

Bad Benny could really whack. That right hand would have at least wobbled any MW.

Briscoe's power was only exceeded by his chin, which was next to impossible to dent.

It was stunning when Valdez KOd Briscoe a couple years after the Monzon fight. It was the only time that Briscoe was ever stopped.

Don't forget that Briscoe fought Monzon to a draw in Argentina back in the 60s. Briscoe always insisted that he won about 8 rounds in that 10 rounder.

Others agree.

Bad Bennie Briscoe was one tough Philly fighter.

Valdez' KO of Briscoe really shows Monzon's own granite chin. An aging Monzon won two UD's over Valdez to wind up his career, getting off the canvas in the final hurrah.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 12:42

SenorPipino wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 12:41 No biggie.

Bad Benny could really whack. That right hand would have at least wobbled any MW.

Briscoe's power was only exceeded by his chin, which was next to impossible to dent.

It was stunning when Valdez KOd Briscoe a couple years after the Monzon fight. It was the only time that Briscoe was ever stopped.

Don't forget that Briscoe fought Monzon to a draw in Argentina back in the 60s. Briscoe always insisted that he won about 8 rounds in that 10 rounder.

Others agree.

Bad Bennie Briscoe was one tough Philly fighter.

Valdez' KO of Briscoe really shows Monzon's own granite chin. An aging Monzon won two UD's over Valdez to wind up his career, getting off the canvas in the final hurrah.

It appears that Monzon was hurt worse by the Briscoe shot than the one that Valdez decked him with.

In his last Hurrah, the aging Monzon did indeed get off the canvas against Valdez and then proceeded to win a decision. He didn't seem especially hurt when he arose.

I'm not sure if the Monzon of the final Valdez fight would have survived the punch that Briscoe connected with 5 years earlier.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 13:13

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 12:42

SenorPipino wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 12:41 No biggie.

Bad Benny could really whack. That right hand would have at least wobbled any MW.

Briscoe's power was only exceeded by his chin, which was next to impossible to dent.

It was stunning when Valdez KOd Briscoe a couple years after the Monzon fight. It was the only time that Briscoe was ever stopped.

Don't forget that Briscoe fought Monzon to a draw in Argentina back in the 60s. Briscoe always insisted that he won about 8 rounds in that 10 rounder.

Others agree.

Bad Bennie Briscoe was one tough Philly fighter.

Valdez' KO of Briscoe really shows Monzon's own granite chin. An aging Monzon won two UD's over Valdez to wind up his career, getting off the canvas in the final hurrah.

It appears that Monzon was hurt worse by the Briscoe shot than the one that Valdez decked him with.

In his last Hurrah, the aging Monzon did indeed get off the canvas against Valdez and then proceeded to win a decision. He didn't seem especially hurt when he arose.

I'm not sure if the Monzon of the final Valdez fight would have survived the punch that Briscoe connected with 5 years earlier.

Monzon had the quintessential granite chin, throughout his illustrious career. No, we can't be sure, but I'm pretty certain Monzon's chin didn't age like his body. Valdez was a stronger puncher than Briscoe, IMHO.

I think Valdez had more snap, more crispness and definitely more speed to his punch than Briscoe.

But if you can measure power by a thudding heaviness, Briscoe had the edge.

Needless to say, getting hit cleanly by either was not in any fighter's best interest.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 14:05 I think Valdez had more snap, more crispness and definitely more speed to his punch than Briscoe.

But if you can measure power by a thudding heaviness, Briscoe had the edge.

Needless to say, getting hit cleanly by either was not in any fighter's best interest

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NOW THAT!...is something I agree with.

Would that count as a knockdown today. You could argue that Monzon was kept up by the ropes.

I personally don't see it but I'm talking about how a modern Ref might see it.

Taansend wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 00:36 Would that count as a knockdown today. You could argue that Monzon was kept up by the ropes.

I personally don't see it but I'm talking about how a modern Ref might see it.

It's kind of a judgement call.

I'm not certain Monzon would have gone down if that right hand landed at center ring.

I probably would not have called it a knockdown since I'm unsure so you have to give the fighter the benefit of that doubt.

But another ref might have seen it differently and given Monzon a standing eight.

Monzon had a helluva chin, but it wasn't Hagler good.

Seamus wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 07:47 Monzon had a helluva chin, but it wasn't Hagler good.

Middleweight Chuvalo.

I can't believe Briscoe didn't knock him out there

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 07:21

Taansend wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 00:36 Would that count as a knockdown today. You could argue that Monzon was kept up by the ropes.

I personally don't see it but I'm talking about how a modern Ref might see it.

It's kind of a judgement call.

I'm not certain Monzon would have gone down if that right hand landed at center ring.

I probably would not have called it a knockdown since I'm unsure so you have to give the fighter the benefit of that doubt.

But another ref might have seen it differently and given Monzon a standing eight.

Briscoe was seriously hampered by the ref in that fight. Even after the right hand the ref was butting in needlessly and breaking Briscoe's rythm. I think it may have been a different fight had Briscoe been able to wage the body attack he wanted without threat of points being taken. Incidently, I think Hagler was a harder puncher than Monzon, at least when it comes to power from multiple angles. I believe Hagler would have beat Monzon, had they fought. Monzon wouldn't knock Hagler out and Hagler's busy-ness would catch up to him in the late rounds. Nothing taken from Monzon, that would have been a great fight.

I think either of them would wreck GGG or Alvarez.

i doubt briscoe wouldve, he gets overrated, a good fighter but time and time again he failed to wreck guys who werent exactly great fighters

its become a bit 'cool' to say mr never won a title would be destroying all the elite and p4p rated mws of recent years

maybe hed beat some of them but hes not walking through and destroying them

jamamb wrote: ↑28 May 2018, 03:30 i doubt briscoe wouldve, he gets overrated, a good fighter but time and time again he failed to wreck guys who werent exactly great fighters

its become a bit 'cool' to say mr never won a title would be destroying all the elite and p4p rated mws of recent years

maybe hed beat some of them but hes not walking through and destroying them

Actually, I meant Monzon or Hagler.