BoxRec

... tony bellew no4 at heavy? beating passed-it
david haye makes you rise like a rocket?

It's all points based.

Just ratings. Don't get shook up.

What's important is what you accomplish in the ring. Not someone's personal opinion of where you belong.

man wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 07:59 ... tony bellew no4 at heavy? beating passed-it
david haye makes you rise like a rocket?

Don't respect the rankings here.

The site is brilliant for weirdos like me who pour over old fights but the rankings are just a guideline for names. They're not to be taken seriously.

Taansend wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 10:20

man wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 07:59 ... tony bellew no4 at heavy? beating passed-it
david haye makes you rise like a rocket?

Don't respect the rankings here.

The site is brilliant for weirdos like me who pour over old fights but the rankings are just a guideline for names. They're not to be taken seriously.

Pretty much this, all the way. You'd get laughed on any decently knowledgeable forums following these ratings like a bible.

You probably don't think this is a repost, but this is literally a repost. There is an older thread complaining about Bellew's rating.

Taansend wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 10:20

man wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 07:59 ... tony bellew no4 at heavy? beating passed-it
david haye makes you rise like a rocket?

Don't respect the rankings here.

The site is brilliant for weirdos like me who pour over old fights but the rankings are just a guideline for names. They're not to be taken seriously.

The ratings are fun for weirdos like us, but bellew (sorry about the pun) is All Time HWs.

You're reading along minding your own business and some of it makes sense and then you see where James Toney is.


http://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Bcountr ... %5D=&r_go=

Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 12:54

Taansend wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 10:20

man wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 07:59 ... tony bellew no4 at heavy? beating passed-it
david haye makes you rise like a rocket?

Don't respect the rankings here.

The site is brilliant for weirdos like me who pour over old fights but the rankings are just a guideline for names. They're not to be taken seriously.

The ratings are fun for weirdos like us, but bellew (sorry about the pun) is All Time HWs.

You're reading along minding your own business and some of it makes sense and then you see where James Toney is.


http://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Bcountr ... %5D=&r_go=

Mikey Garcia isn't top twenty p4p

Taansend wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 13:05

Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 12:54

Taansend wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 10:20

Don't respect the rankings here.

The site is brilliant for weirdos like me who pour over old fights but the rankings are just a guideline for names. They're not to be taken seriously.

The ratings are fun for weirdos like us, but bellew (sorry about the pun) is All Time HWs.

You're reading along minding your own business and some of it makes sense and then you see where James Toney is.


http://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Bcountr ... %5D=&r_go=

Mikey Garcia isn't top twenty p4p

I don't see him on the P4P top 50 list. Maybe my eyes just didn't pick it up.

Lackeos wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 12:40 You probably don't think this is a repost, but this is literally a repost. There is an older thread complaining about Bellew's rating.

was unaware of the other one.

When fighters move divisions, their points are translated to the new division. This has always been the major hang-up that people have with these types of rating systems. You can't just say that every boxer starts at 0 when they move divisions.. it doesn't work that way.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 12:54

Taansend wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 10:20

man wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 07:59 ... tony bellew no4 at heavy? beating passed-it
david haye makes you rise like a rocket?

Don't respect the rankings here.

The site is brilliant for weirdos like me who pour over old fights but the rankings are just a guideline for names. They're not to be taken seriously.

The ratings are fun for weirdos like us, but bellew (sorry about the pun) is All Time HWs.

You're reading along minding your own business and some of it makes sense and then you see where James Toney is.


http://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Bcountr ... %5D=&r_go=

lol

Last time I checked, the all-time formula rewarded fighters for longevity. It was like... each year of your career, if you are at least X good, then you get some more points. So Toney, with his 29-year career, obviously benefited from that. Btw, that's a very long career.

Lackeos wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 15:40

Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 12:54

Taansend wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 10:20

Don't respect the rankings here.

The site is brilliant for weirdos like me who pour over old fights but the rankings are just a guideline for names. They're not to be taken seriously.

The ratings are fun for weirdos like us, but bellew (sorry about the pun) is All Time HWs.

You're reading along minding your own business and some of it makes sense and then you see where James Toney is.


http://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Bcountr ... %5D=&r_go=

lol

Last time I checked, the all-time formula rewarded fighters for longevity. It was like... each year of your career, if you are at least X good, then you get some more points. So Toney, with his 29-year career, obviously benefited from that. Btw, that's a very long career.

Yeah, Patterson use to be even higher for that reason. Toney was a very good fighter, but such a small % of it was as a HW. Guess he gets a lot of credit for beating Holyfield. Computer didn't pick up how passed his prime Evander was.

boxrec has THE BEST ratings ! they r based on what u have done !

dickbelden wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 20:11 boxrec has THE BEST ratings ! they r based on what u have done !

i usually respect them but some ratings
as of recent really surprised me.

dickbelden wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 20:11 boxrec has THE BEST ratings ! they r based on what u have done !

No, not really. It doesn't tell apart robberies, and I think it gives too much credit for losses. For some reason, Charles Martin is rated in the top 15 above Kabayel, Fury, Charr, and Takam. No one giving you a respectable ratings would put Martin in the top 15.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 12:54 The ratings are fun for weirdos like us, but bellew (sorry about the pun) is All Time HWs.

You're reading along minding your own business and some of it makes sense and then you see where James Toney is.


http://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Bcountr ... %5D=&r_go=

Toney is still active at Heavyweight and currently rated there.
After his career end he will be rated in the top all time Middleweights

boxrec ratings are best used at a general level to get a broad sense of who is where, but there are certainly cases like bellew where the ranking is obviously off

most rankings have some oddities though, transnational had nate gallimore as high as 4 in the world at 154 and pbo had zimnoch oddily high at hw etc