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Who in the world will want to deal with this guy.? Only pathetic trolls like EO can say that Saunders is worth considering when you want a fight happen withing a few months.

Murray is probably correct.

BJS is probably on standby for either Canelo or Golovkin in the fall, and doesn't want to risk anything against Murray.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 11:57 Murray is probably correct.

BJS is probably on standby for either Canelo or Golovkin in the fall, and doesn't want to risk anything against Murray.

That's very likely. Just after Golovkin-Canelo negotiations went absolutely wrong and Canelo's camp began the talk about other possible bouts including BJS among them. If it's true, this is even more interesting stuff to watch.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 11:49 https://www.BS.com/murray-skep ... in--128740

Who in the world will want to deal with this guy.? Only pathetic trolls like EO can say that Saunders is worth considering when you want a fight happen withing a few months.

Fwànk Wàrrèn and Billy Joe Saunders both admitted that they tried to negotiate a fight against Golovkin the first time the Brit withdrew from his bout against Murray, due to them trying to exploit the cancellation of the GGG-Canelo bout in May. Loeffler told them that Gennady wasn't looking to face a southpaw during Cinco de Mayo. There are videos of them saying this.

Now that it's likely that Golovkin and Canelo won't face each other during September, it wouldn't surprise me if Saunders withdrew from the Murray bout again in order to secure a lucrative payday against the Mexican or the Kazakh. GBP have already mentioned his name as being a potential opponent for their guy.

Martin Murray will get paid by Fwànk Warrèn regardless as to however the situation pans out.

Am I wrong? Come on, tell me I'm wrong? Let's see your best counter argument?

We should find next from GBP or Loeffler if there is a fight deal with BJS.

Didn't Golovkin pull the very same sort of stunt when he refused to take the Saunders fight, even though the terms were agreed and the Brit even signed the contract, because GGG preferred to face Canelo instead?

GGG's fans criticising Saunders is hypocritical, since Gennady was the first one to execute this dodgy manoeuvre.

Nothing was agreed on regarding the Golovkin vs Saunders fight. The money BJS wanted and "signed" for wasn't available.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:26 Nothing was agreed on regarding the Golovkin vs Saunders fight. The money BJS wanted and "signed" for wasn't available.

GGG didn't use that excuse when Saunders attended the Canelo-GGG press conference and taunted the Kazakh for "losing his pen".

Do you need a video of the Brit mocking Alvarez and Gennady?

When Loeffler was interviewed afterwards, he didn't use that excuse either.

Loefler always said that BJS wanted too much money. Whatever BJS says doesn't matter. His actions talk for himself. How many times did he pull out of fights. Five, six ? Who will want to deal with a guy like that even when he "agrees" ?

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:36 Loefler always said that BJS wanted too much money. Whatever BJS says doesn't matter. His actions talk for himself. How many times did he pull out of fights. Five, six ? Who will want to deal with a guy like that even when he "agrees" ?

In other words, you cannot refute any of my claims, so instead you keep expressing the same criticism regardless.

You're clearly one of those deeply deluded individuals that thinks that how you feel is all that matters.

You sincerely believe that your own subjective vision of what reality should look like must govern everyone else's thoughts, don't you?

I can easily substantiate my claims by citing evidence, but you can't, can you?

Nobody on this forum except one idiot believes that BJS can be trusted.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:54 Nobody on this forum except one idiot believes that BJS can be trusted.

It's not just BJS though, is it?
He has an accomplice who is a little strapped for cash. Murray is a top chap, but dosent bring in the big money. I heard ticket sales were pretty slow for their fight. Easy enough to say BJS is injured and chase a bigger cash cow in a few months.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 17:44

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:54 Nobody on this forum except one idiot believes that BJS can be trusted.

It's not just BJS though, is it?
He has an accomplice who is a little strapped for cash. Murray is a top chap, but dosent bring in the big money. I heard ticket sales were pretty slow for their fight. Easy enough to say BJS is injured and chase a bigger cash cow in a few months.

Martin Murray will inevitably get paid by Fwànk Wàrrèn no matter the outcome.

A couple of hours before Saunders officially announced his injury, the Brit offered to face Golovkin for the same terms he previously agreed to or winner takes all.

So whilst GGG's so-called fans are seemingly "outraged" about Saunders' withdrawal from the Martin Murray bout, they also conveniently forget that the Kazakh had previously walked away from facing Billy Joe in preference to facing Canelo instead.

Double standards? I think so!

Two men commit precisely the same crime, but one of them is enthusiastically defended, whilst the other one is aggressively derided!

Can someone please explain why GGG's fans aren't being hypocritical?

I can cite facts, which are supported with evidence, but apparently that sort of debating style is irrelevant in the modern age.

I genuinely look forward to engaging in a debate with anyone that disagrees with my claims, because I am armed with facts that cannot possibly be refuted! So bring it on!

Murray expressed extreme unhappiness and said that he doesn't believe in Billy's injury. How is he an accomplice?

You're using "red herring" debating tactics to avoid directly addressing the points that you cannot address.

The more facts I cite, the more you try redirect your argument onto new ground.

Either address the claims I made, admit to being wrong or remain silent.

What's it to be kid?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 19:59 You're using "red herring" debating tactics to avoid directly addressing the points that you cannot address.

The more facts I cite, the more you try redirect your argument onto new ground.

Either address the claims I made, admit to being wrong or remain silent.

What's it to be kid?

Neither, "daddy". Nobody cares about your stupid claims. The only person who everybody want to remain silent is you.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 11:57 Murray is probably correct.

BJS is probably on standby for either Canelo or Golovkin in the fall, and doesn't want to risk anything against Murray.

It sure has that look about it.

I'd love to see BJS beat Canelo silly, dope or no dope karma is going to burn Raggedy Ann's ass for all the years of special treatment he's gotten whilst cheating the sport. Martin Murray is the only one to feel sorry for here, and that is due to Saunders actions (which are shady and it's not a first offence). Martin, who was hosed out of the middleweight titles he deserved, is better than anyone BJS has faced and that would have helped gauge how good Saunders really is. Even an old worn out Murray has more craft and durability than flat foot bomber Lemieux, that win was no masterclass it was atrocious. BJS is still not near as proven as he's sold as. I said the same thing about Kell Brook for years, and look at him now. Won one elite level fight, barely, hasn't beaten one real threat since. It's wise for Saunders to try and get that big $ now, though it sucks for Murray, because it's all over the day he steps in the ring with Gennady.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 19:36 Murray expressed extreme unhappiness and said that he doesn't believe in Billy's injury. How is he an accomplice?

You may have mistook my 'accomplice' reference. I ment he who cannot be named.

Damn it hes never going to get a kid if he keeps doing that

Heretic wrote: ↑04 Jun 2018, 07:20 Damn it hes never going to get a kid if he keeps doing that

Haha...I was just about to write....’that’s what she said’...

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 19:16

KiwiRider wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 17:44

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:54 Nobody on this forum except one idiot believes that BJS can be trusted.

It's not just BJS though, is it?
He has an accomplice who is a little strapped for cash. Murray is a top chap, but dosent bring in the big money. I heard ticket sales were pretty slow for their fight. Easy enough to say BJS is injured and chase a bigger cash cow in a few months.

Martin Murray will inevitably get paid by Fwànk Wàrrèn no matter the outcome.

A couple of hours before Saunders officially announced his injury, the Brit offered to face Golovkin for the same terms he previously agreed to or winner takes all.

So whilst GGG's so-called fans are seemingly "outraged" about Saunders' withdrawal from the Martin Murray bout, they also conveniently forget that the Kazakh had previously walked away from facing Billy Joe in preference to facing Canelo instead.

Double standards? I think so!

Two men commit precisely the same crime, but one of them is enthusiastically defended, whilst the other one is aggressively derided!

Can someone please explain why GGG's fans aren't being hypocritical?

I can cite facts, which are supported with evidence, but apparently that sort of debating style is irrelevant in the modern age.

I genuinely look forward to engaging in a debate with anyone that disagrees with my claims, because I am armed with facts that cannot possibly be refuted! So bring it on!

How do you know that Warren will pay Murray there has been no indication that is happening this is his first fight with Frank and BJS has pulled out through injury Warren has no obligation to pay Murray and i doubt he will.

Also the rest of your argument is predicated on everyone who criticizes BJS being a GGG fan personally i fell both are in the wrong but i don't know what mental gymnastics you had to do to equate deciding to fight another opponent before the contract is signed on both sides and faking an injury twice to chase another fighter.

norniron wrote: ↑04 Jun 2018, 07:47How do you know that Warren will pay Murray there has been no indication that is happening this is his first fight with Frank and BJS has pulled out through injury Warren has no obligation to pay Murray and i doubt he will.

Let’s not forget though that the first Saunders-Murray bout was only postponed a few weeks or so. Little or no compensation was required.

Also, Frānk Wārrĕn has a proven track record of compensating fighters that have missed out on an opportunity to face Billy Joe Saunders, such as when Quĕĕnsberry Promotions staged an alternative bout for Avtandil Khurtsidze against Tommy Langford for the WBO interim title. Billy Joe subsequently agreed to face the Georgian.

Believe it or not, the Saunders- Khurtsidze situation was entirely Gennady Golovkin’s fault!

It is believed that Murray will now instead face Kody Davies (so he’s not missing out on his payday), in an event promoted by Quĕĕnsberry Promotions, and if Saunders can keep hold of his title long enough, Martin will very likely get his shot at the WBO belt.

norniron wrote: ↑04 Jun 2018, 07:47Also the rest of your argument is predicated on everyone who criticizes BJS being a GGG fan...

I’m not for one second suggesting that I’m an advocate of A-side fighters withdrawing from previously-arranged bouts against B-side opponents, in order to exploit potential opportunities to receive better paydays to face someone else instead, but sadly it happens and it is common.

So to criticise one fighter, but not another, when they both commit the same proverbial “crime”, seems a tad unfair to me. Why can’t other people apply their criticism consistently and fairly?

norniron wrote: ↑04 Jun 2018, 07:47personally i fell both are in the wrong

I agree with you. My moral compass prevents me from allowing my bias to affect my ability to judge guilt.

norniron wrote: ↑04 Jun 2018, 07:47but i don't know what mental gymnastics you had to do to equate deciding to fight another opponent before the contract is signed on both sides and faking an injury twice to chase another fighter.

No mental gymnastics were required. The similarities between these situations are uncanny.

Saunders had agreed terms and signed a contract to face Golovkin, but Gennady preferred to exploit a potential opportunity to receive a better payday to face Canelo instead.

Murray had agreed terms and signed a contract to face Saunders, but Billy Joe preferred to exploit a potential opportunity to receive a better payday to face Canelo or Golovkin instead.

In my mind, the so-called "crimes" are extremely similar in nature and both men deserve criticism.

..let me just remind some of the posters that the fans are the fans and they tend to support boxers they like for whatever reason... it's reality as we know it..had that NOT been the case, I don't think we would have the situation when some lame ducks or should I say "legends-to-be" enjoyed proverbial side A status..

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:29

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Jun 2018, 13:26 Nothing was agreed on regarding the Golovkin vs Saunders fight. The money BJS wanted and "signed" for wasn't available.

GGG didn't use that excuse when Saunders attended the Canelo-GGG press conference and taunted the Kazakh for "losing his pen".

Do you need a video of the Brit mocking Alvarez and Gennady?

When Loeffler was interviewed afterwards, he didn't use that excuse either.

Whatever happened. I’d trust Team GGG over Blow Job Saunders and Heart Attack Frank.