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Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 01:29 I knew Whyte wouldn't do it. Pulev is much too dangerous for 25%, though. That's ridiculous. It's pretty much a guaranteed loss.

gregregegg wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 07:26 ill admit i havent seen much of Pulev but from what i can see his last good win was over 5 years ago (i dont consider a SD over chissora a good win). also his last fight was over a year ago and he went the distance with an aging kevin johnson that had lost 5 of his last 7 fights (admitadly against good guys). i find it hard to belive that 37 year old pulev is going to preform well next time he is up against a decent fighter.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 10:40

gregregegg wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 07:26 ill admit i havent seen much of Pulev but from what i can see his last good win was over 5 years ago (i dont consider a SD over chissora a good win). also his last fight was over a year ago and he went the distance with an aging kevin johnson that had lost 5 of his last 7 fights (admitadly against good guys). i find it hard to belive that 37 year old pulev is going to preform well next time he is up against a decent fighter.

He dominated Chisora, the split was bs. On the other hand, Chisora was likely screwed against Whyte. Pulev would beat Dillian up.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:12 Whyte earns shît loads more facing a better opponent like Parker in the UK than Pulev for relative pennies in Bulgaria.

It's actually moronic to suggest otherwise!

Eddie Hearn is never going to sacrifice promotional control over the TV rights unless it's financially and politically beneficial to do so.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 20:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:12 Whyte earns shît loads more facing a better opponent like Parker in the UK than Pulev for relative pennies in Bulgaria.

It's actually moronic to suggest otherwise!

Eddie Hearn is never going to sacrifice promotional control over the TV rights unless it's financially and politically beneficial to do so.

We don't know that. Pulev only fought a better version of Klitschko than Joshua did and lost. No one knows Pulev's ceiling yet because he doesn't fight much. The fact that he dominated Chisora who Whyte struggled with is telling, though.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 10:40

gregregegg wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 07:26 ill admit i havent seen much of Pulev but from what i can see his last good win was over 5 years ago (i dont consider a SD over chissora a good win). also his last fight was over a year ago and he went the distance with an aging kevin johnson that had lost 5 of his last 7 fights (admitadly against good guys). i find it hard to belive that 37 year old pulev is going to preform well next time he is up against a decent fighter.

He dominated Chisora, the split was bs. On the other hand, Chisora was likely screwed against Whyte. Pulev would beat Dillian up.

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 07:41

punchoutsb wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 10:40

gregregegg wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 07:26 ill admit i havent seen much of Pulev but from what i can see his last good win was over 5 years ago (i dont consider a SD over chissora a good win). also his last fight was over a year ago and he went the distance with an aging kevin johnson that had lost 5 of his last 7 fights (admitadly against good guys). i find it hard to belive that 37 year old pulev is going to preform well next time he is up against a decent fighter.

He dominated Chisora, the split was bs. On the other hand, Chisora was likely screwed against Whyte. Pulev would beat Dillian up.

Chisora is two fighters, Jekyl and Hyde. One is a poorly motivated pussycat who went through the motions against Pulev and Kabayel. The other is a totally psyched up, motivated, determined not to be beaten by the hated DW, Dereck Chisora. You cannot compare his performance against Whyte and Pulev (or Kabayel) without doing Whyte a massive injustice.

Still, you just keep putting him down and he'll keep fighting people that most others would do only if dictated by one of the governing bodies.

And who has Pulev beaten recently to make you think he's still got it?

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 16:00 I don't deny Pulev has a first rate jab but anyone can see the difference between good and bad Del is primarily motivation, or lack of it. If he'd felt about Pulev the way he felt about Whyte, I think Pulev might have wilted under the intensity, and if he didn't (wilt) he'd have fought out of his skin to get the decision.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 04:27

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 20:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:12 Whyte earns shît loads more facing a better opponent like Parker in the UK than Pulev for relative pennies in Bulgaria.

It's actually moronic to suggest otherwise!

Eddie Hearn is never going to sacrifice promotional control over the TV rights unless it's financially and politically beneficial to do so.

We don't know that. Pulev only fought a better version of Klitschko than Joshua did and lost. No one knows Pulev's ceiling yet because he doesn't fight much. The fact that he dominated Chisora who Whyte struggled with is telling, though.

Whyte would have only been paid £280K to face Pulev in Bulgaria during September. The Brit was only entitled to 25% of the winning purse split total, with Kubrat receiving the remaining 75%.

Instead, he'll receive a far better purse facing a more accomplished fighter on his home turf. Dillian's decision was a no-brainer!

Joseph Parker is rated above Kubrat Pulev by both The RING and also by ESPN. The Kiwi is also a former world champion.

Eddie Hearn won't allow any of his fighters to compete on rival promoters fight cards if it isn't beneficial for him to do so. This sort of practice is commonplace.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 19:01

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 16:00 I don't deny Pulev has a first rate jab but anyone can see the difference between good and bad Del is primarily motivation, or lack of it. If he'd felt about Pulev the way he felt about Whyte, I think Pulev might have wilted under the intensity, and if he didn't (wilt) he'd have fought out of his skin to get the decision.

This motivated Chisora garbage has been going on since his first loss to Fury. They said Chisora was depressed and unmotivated. In the rematch, he got dominated.

candyslim wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 03:31 Oh do me a favour. Chisora didn't need to be motivated to beat the likes of Csomor, he's a very limited fighter. No disgrace in being totally bamboozled and flumoxed by Tyson Fury, that even happened to Klitschko. David Haye also outclassed him and that would have happened whatever Dereck's state of mind.

I'm not saying Chisora was ever good enough to be a serious contender, but if you people can't see the polar difference in his intensity between his performance against Whyte compared to that against Pulev or Kabayel, then I'm not going to change your mind whatever I say.

As for Pulev, he's been a genuine contender but he's 37 now and it's been years since he had to prove himself worthy of a top six rating. I suspect he's in decline, but it's hard to be sure when he hasn't recently fought anyone (still) good enough to test his ability. If Whyte had fought him we'd know but I can't blame him for pulling out. Pulev has had years in which to fight quality opposition but has chosen to fight ageing journeymen instead.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 18:14

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 07:41

punchoutsb wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 10:40

He dominated Chisora, the split was bs. On the other hand, Chisora was likely screwed against Whyte. Pulev would beat Dillian up.

Chisora is two fighters, Jekyl and Hyde. One is a poorly motivated pussycat who went through the motions against Pulev and Kabayel. The other is a totally psyched up, motivated, determined not to be beaten by the hated DW, Dereck Chisora. You cannot compare his performance against Whyte and Pulev (or Kabayel) without doing Whyte a massive injustice.

Still, you just keep putting him down and he'll keep fighting people that most others would do only if dictated by one of the governing bodies.

And who has Pulev beaten recently to make you think he's still got it?

I have never accepted the excuses from Chisora apologists, and they've been throwing them out for years. Chisora is a gate keeper, no matter how "psyched up, motivated, determined" he is. He has never won a meaningful fight in his career, he loses to every high class fighter he faces. The closest he has come to winning a big fight was against a one armed Helenius and Dillian Whyte. Chisora was never a pussycat, he was a fighter that lacked ability at the highest level. Pulev (or Kabayel, or Haye, or Fury, or Klitschko, or Fury again...) shut him down because they were better, not because he was unmotivated.