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NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 00:50
by Evander
We have seen Spence, Crawford fought on the weekend.
Which of the two are you leaning towards now ?
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 01:01
by Syntax Error
This would be the epitome of a superfight.
I'm just edging towards Crawford, but I don't say that with full confidence, because I can see either man being victorious.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 02:16
by Cent0089
Spence is freaking BIG. If Crawford punches cannot hurt him, it will be bad for Terrence. 60:40 chances for Spence IMO
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 23:04
by SenorPipino
Cent0089 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 02:16
Spence is freaking BIG. If Crawford punches cannot hurt him, it will be bad for Terrence. 60:40 chances for Spence IMO
Spence.
Still improving and certainly a more proven commodity at 147.
Don't get carried away by Crawford dominating Horn.
Most predicted it would be easy. And Spence would have turned the trick in the same dominating fashion and maybe quicker.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 23:10
by jamamb
i think hardly anyone is getting carried away by crawford beating horn, more like by how consistently excellent crawford has looked. its the same eye test that had spence rated so highly even well before hed fought anyone good. he still has only really fought brook and peterson. brook is good but to me peterson is a second tier guy who i think crawford would route. i actually had peterson vs diaz (a guy crawford battered) a draw
p4p craw is top for me, although spence is a bigger man and that could make a difference. i think there both above the rest at 147
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 23:14
by gilgamesh
I favor Crawford still at the moment because of his greater experience, but I feel like the gap narrows with each passing fight for Spence.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 00:41
by Lackeos
It would be a sick spectacle. The majority of top p4p Americans currently box in the same weight division. Though they aren't yet drawing the kind of crowds that they should draw; Crawford, Spence, and Thurman are the future of big money showdowns in America.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 10:06
by IKSRTFO
Cent0089 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 02:16
Spence is freaking BIG. If Crawford punches cannot hurt him, it will be bad for Terrence. 60:40 chances for Spence IMO
The thing with Crawford is he doesn't have to hurt you to beat you. He has the ability to move and outbox Spence. Spence is more reliant on his power than Bud is.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 11:36
by ValMar
Crawford's chin might be the decisive factor.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 11:56
by IKSRTFO
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 11:36
Crawford's chin might be the decisive factor.
We don't even know how good Spence chin is yet neither. The hardest puncher he's faced was Kell Brook and IMO, Brook wasn't this murderous puncher that everyone likes to believe he is.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 13:37
by ValMar
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 11:56
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 11:36
Crawford's chin might be the decisive factor.
We don't even know how good Spence chin is yet neither. The hardest puncher he's faced was Kell Brook and IMO, Brook wasn't this murderous puncher that everyone likes to believe he is.
You are right, but I think it would be the type of fight with one fighter has decent/very decent skillset (8/10) and the excellent power (10/10 for WW) against his opponent with the excellent skillset (10/10) and decent/very decent power (8/10).
So, Crawford's chin would be the more important factor than Spence's chin. I think it is the realistic attitude.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 13:54
by Counter-puncher
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 13:37
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 11:56
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 11:36
Crawford's chin might be the decisive factor.
We don't even know how good Spence chin is yet neither. The hardest puncher he's faced was Kell Brook and IMO, Brook wasn't this murderous puncher that everyone likes to believe he is.
You are right, but I think it would be the type of fight with one fighter has decent/very decent skillset (8/10) and the excellent power (10/10 for WW) against his opponent with the excellent skillset (10/10) and decent/very decent power (8/10).
So, Crawford's chin would be the more important factor than Spence's chin. I think it is the realistic attitude.
I agree on your skill set analysis that's a pretty good way to put it, even if someone disagrees a little with the numbers the basic principle is correct IMO
Whilst I agree that Spence has not had his chin tested, he is at least a guy who has taken punches from good or ok fighters at 147, sonat this point, at this weight I think you have to say Spence has the more proven chin.
Where I think IKRSTFO is right is that Spence's chin- or more accurately Crawfords ability to at least get his attention with his power- may be important as well.
Personally I think Crawford carries enough threat through his power and skill combined that Spence won't be able to just walk through him.
But if I had to bet, at this point I have to say I think Spence takes what Crawford can give him better than Crawford takes it from Spence. So I'm agreeing with you lol. Certainly if Crawford proves he can take the punches well and also get Spence's attention with his own power he has a great chance.
Although even if he does that there is a chance Spence's pressure style knocks Crawford out of his boxing rhythm and out-points him, that's why I love this fight so much, lol. Crawford could prove he has the punch and chin to hang with the biggest physical beast I've seen in the division for years, but still lose.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 13:58
by ValMar
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 13:54
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 13:37
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 11:56
We don't even know how good Spence chin is yet neither. The hardest puncher he's faced was Kell Brook and IMO, Brook wasn't this murderous puncher that everyone likes to believe he is.
You are right, but I think it would be the type of fight with one fighter has decent/very decent skillset (8/10) and the excellent power (10/10 for WW) against his opponent with the excellent skillset (10/10) and decent/very decent power (8/10).
So, Crawford's chin would be the more important factor than Spence's chin. I think it is the realistic attitude.
I agree on your skill set analysis that's a pretty good way to put it, even if someone disagrees a little with the numbers the basic principle is correct IMO
Whilst I agree that Spence has not had his chin tested, he is at least a guy who has taken punches from good or ok fighters at 147, sonat this point, at this weight I think you have to say Spence has the more proven chin.
Where I think IKRSTFO is right is that Spence's chin- or more accurately Crawfords ability to at least get his attention with his power- may be important as well.
Personally I think Crawford carries enough threat through his power and skill combined that Spence won't be able to just walk through him.
But if I had to bet, at this point I have to say I think Spence takes what Crawford can give him better than Crawford takes it from Spence. So I'm agreeing with you lol. Certainly if Crawford proves he can take the punches well and also get Spence's attention with his own power he has a great chance.
Although even if he does that there is a chance Spence's pressure style knocks Crawford out of his boxing rhythm and out-points him, that's why I love this fight so much, lol. Crawford could prove he has the punch and chin to hang with the biggest physical beast I've seen in the division for years, but still lose.
A decent/very decent post !
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 14:01
by Ezzard
This fight has to be made soon. Any other fight is pointless for either of them.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 14:03
by Ezzard
Crawford is 30. Spence 28. If they're not ready now they never will be.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 14:06
by ValMar
Ezzard, I agree with you, 100 %.......
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 13 Jun 2018, 19:46
by SenorPipino
Ezzard wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 14:01
This fight has to be made soon. Any other fight is pointless for either of them.
It won't be made too soon.
Arum says that Crawford will return in mid-October in an ESPN fight. Not the app, but the network.
It will be in Omaha.
No big name opponent is expected, but Jose Benavidez is probably in the mix.
Re: NOW ... Errol Spence v Terence Crawford
Posted: 14 Jun 2018, 01:45
by Ezzard
SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 19:46
Ezzard wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 14:01
This fight has to be made soon. Any other fight is pointless for either of them.
It won't be made too soon.
Arum says that Crawford will return in mid-October in an ESPN fight. Not the app, but the network.
It will be in Omaha.
No big name opponent is expected, but Jose Benavidez is probably in the mix.
Doesn't surprise me. Neither man wants to take on anyone with a pulse. Expect Spence to move up a division as Charlo moves up and they all get to avoid one another.