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Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 14:49**

This is my short list.

Joshua, Wilder, Price (HW)
Gassiev (CW)
Bivol, Stevenson (LHW)
Golovkin, Alvarez, Lemiuex (MW)
Spence (WW)
M. Garcia (LW)

Do you agree ?

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 15:15**

ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 14:49 This is my short list.

Joshua, Wilder, Price (HW)
Gassiev (CW)
Bivol, Stevenson (LHW)
Golovkin, Alvarez, Lemiuex (MW)
Spence (WW)
M. Garcia (LW)

Do you agree ?

I agree with Joshua and Wilder. Price definitely doesn't hit like that.

Gassiev at Cruiser..yeah. Kudryashov and Dorticos can crack too. Kudryashov's chin and defense sucks, but he can crack.

Bivol, and maybe Gvozdyk at Light Heavy. Stevenson maybe.

Golovkin at Middleweight, but not Alvarez or Lemieux

Spence at Welterweight if he's not 10 he's pretty close.

Garcia I don't think hits QUITE that hard, but he's certainly not a weak puncher.

Inoue seems to be quite the banger at 115 and 118.

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 15:28**

I wonder if p4p Inoue hits harder than anyone. Certainly when he was below bantam but even at bantam, blowing McDonnell out like he was a child is scary power. Blowing proven world level guys/championship fighters out in a round or two, Wilder and Joshua aren't doing that, Spence isn't doing that to proven world champions, Inoue has to be right up there.

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 15:34**

Inoue and Gassiev are as close to 10 as it gets. IMO if Stevenson isn't actually 10 he's close enough it barely matters. Haven't seen enough of Bicol. Garcia strikes me more like an 8/8.5 with very good timing and ability to pick shots that makes him seem a bit more heavyhanded than he is.

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 16:08**

If I was just going to list the biggest puncher in each division I'd probably go with something like this...

Interestingly, in a few there's a big punching world class fighter and someone at a lower level who is perhaps just as heavy handed but either lacks the skills to land the bombs or hasn't proven his power at the elite level.

HW - Wilder. At a lower level, Price.
CW - Kudryashov. Gassiev is up there as well.
LHW - Stevenson. Possibly Beterbiev. I wouldn't put Bivol on that level.
SMW - Groves. Although not on the level of the others.
MW - Golovkin. At a lower level, Lemieux. Can't put Canelo here as he hasn't knocked out a genuine middleweight yet.
LMW - Munguia?
WW - Spence.
LWW - Prograis? John Molina? Zlaticanin?
LW - Mikey Garcia.
SFW - Tank Davis and Miguel Berchelt. I need to see more of Machado.
FW - Nobody stands out.
SBW - Maybe Nery but he's on the juice.
BW - Inoue. Tete can bang as well.
SFW - Sor Rungvisai.

I don't know about the bottom 3.

For 10/10 power I'd say Wilder, Price, Kudryashov, Stevenson, Golovkin and Inoue.

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 16:19**

OMG, I forgot Beterbiev..............

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 16:20**

ElJefe wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 16:08 If I was just going to list the biggest puncher in each division I'd probably go with something like this...

Interestingly, in a few there's a big punching world class fighter and someone at a lower level who is perhaps just as heavy handed but either lacks the skills to land the bombs or hasn't proven his power at the elite level.

HW - Wilder. At a lower level, Price.
CW - Kudryashov. Gassiev is up there as well.
LHW - Stevenson. Possibly Beterbiev. I wouldn't put Bivol on that level.
SMW - Groves. Although not on the level of the others.
MW - Golovkin. At a lower level, Lemieux. Can't put Canelo here as he hasn't knocked out a genuine middleweight yet.
LMW - Munguia?
WW - Spence.
LWW - Prograis? John Molina? Zlaticanin?
LW - Mikey Garcia.
SFW - Tank Davis and Miguel Berchelt. I need to see more of Machado.
FW - Nobody stands out.
SBW - Maybe Nery but he's on the juice.
BW - Inoue. Tete can bang as well.
SFW - Sor Rungvisai.

I don't know about the bottom 3.

For 10/10 power I'd say Wilder, Price, Kudryashov, Stevenson, Golovkin and Inoue.

ElJefe, what about Joshua ?

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 16:52**

I have to agree with Inoue at BW.
If Taylor can KO Postol, then I would include him as well.

As for Price, yes he has power, but I don't think he can land it consistently against the top guys because he is so slow. If your measuring power, it has to be effective in my opinion.

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 17:02**

ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 16:20
ElJefe wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 16:08 If I was just going to list the biggest puncher in each division I'd probably go with something like this...

Interestingly, in a few there's a big punching world class fighter and someone at a lower level who is perhaps just as heavy handed but either lacks the skills to land the bombs or hasn't proven his power at the elite level.

HW - Wilder. At a lower level, Price.
CW - Kudryashov. Gassiev is up there as well.
LHW - Stevenson. Possibly Beterbiev. I wouldn't put Bivol on that level.
SMW - Groves. Although not on the level of the others.
MW - Golovkin. At a lower level, Lemieux. Can't put Canelo here as he hasn't knocked out a genuine middleweight yet.
LMW - Munguia?
WW - Spence.
LWW - Prograis? John Molina? Zlaticanin?
LW - Mikey Garcia.
SFW - Tank Davis and Miguel Berchelt. I need to see more of Machado.
FW - Nobody stands out.
SBW - Maybe Nery but he's on the juice.
BW - Inoue. Tete can bang as well.
SFW - Sor Rungvisai.

I don't know about the bottom 3.

For 10/10 power I'd say Wilder, Price, Kudryashov, Stevenson, Golovkin and Inoue.
ElJefe, what about Joshua ?

He's a big puncher, no doubt. But he doesn't put people to sleep the way Wilder does. I'd put him more in the 'heavy handed' category instead of '1 punch KO' category. He didn't really have Parker or Takam in huge trouble. Even in his earlier fights lots of guys were stopped on their feet with a barrage of punches instead of being dropped and unable to beat the count.

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 17:05**

ElJefe wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 17:02
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 16:20
ElJefe wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 16:08 If I was just going to list the biggest puncher in each division I'd probably go with something like this...

Interestingly, in a few there's a big punching world class fighter and someone at a lower level who is perhaps just as heavy handed but either lacks the skills to land the bombs or hasn't proven his power at the elite level.

HW - Wilder. At a lower level, Price.
CW - Kudryashov. Gassiev is up there as well.
LHW - Stevenson. Possibly Beterbiev. I wouldn't put Bivol on that level.
SMW - Groves. Although not on the level of the others.
MW - Golovkin. At a lower level, Lemieux. Can't put Canelo here as he hasn't knocked out a genuine middleweight yet.
LMW - Munguia?
WW - Spence.
LWW - Prograis? John Molina? Zlaticanin?
LW - Mikey Garcia.
SFW - Tank Davis and Miguel Berchelt. I need to see more of Machado.
FW - Nobody stands out.
SBW - Maybe Nery but he's on the juice.
BW - Inoue. Tete can bang as well.
SFW - Sor Rungvisai.

I don't know about the bottom 3.

For 10/10 power I'd say Wilder, Price, Kudryashov, Stevenson, Golovkin and Inoue.
ElJefe, what about Joshua ?
He's a big puncher, no doubt. But he doesn't put people to sleep the way Wilder does. I'd put him more in the 'heavy handed' category instead of '1 punch KO' category. He didn't really have Parker or Takam in huge trouble. Even in his earlier fights lots of guys were stopped on their feet with a barrage of punches instead of being dropped and unable to beat the count.

I will never agree, but I will never argue with you because of our different opinions regarding Joshua.

Posted: **13 Jun 2018, 21:53**

I don't see how Canelo got 10/10. He through everything but the kitchen sink at old, past it Shane Mosley but couldn't stop him. I remember Mosley commenting that Canelo didn't punch that much harder than Floyd.

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 02:05**

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 21:53 I don't see how Canelo got 10/10. He through everything but the kitchen sink at old, past it Shane Mosley but couldn't stop him. I remember Mosley commenting that Canelo didn't punch that much harder than Floyd.

Yes, and he couldn't even drop once Matthew Hatton, whom small past prime Yuri Nuzhnenko knocked down hard with a left hook in the very first round.

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 02:12**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 15:15
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 14:49 This is my short list.

Joshua, Wilder, Price (HW)
Gassiev (CW)
Bivol, Stevenson (LHW)
Golovkin, Alvarez, Lemiuex (MW)
Spence (WW)
M. Garcia (LW)

Do you agree ?
I agree with Joshua and Wilder. Price definitely doesn't hit like that.

Gassiev at Cruiser..yeah. Kudryashov and Dorticos can crack too. Kudryashov's chin and defense sucks, but he can crack.

Bivol, and maybe Gvozdyk at Light Heavy. Stevenson maybe.

Golovkin at Middleweight, but not Alvarez or Lemieux

Spence at Welterweight if he's not 10 he's pretty close.

Garcia I don't think hits QUITE that hard, but he's certainly not a weak puncher.

Inoue seems to be quite the banger at 115 and 118.

im not sure a guy like aj is a much harder puncher punch for punch then price. if everything about aj was the same, except he had prices power, i doubt it would change aj much, when price lands it has effect, even with single shots at world class level. but hes so flawed that it means hes not getting his clean shots there consistently and hes often gassed quickly, i would at least say price is among the hardest punchers at hw

power is like, if these guys were all landing comparable shots, who would be doing what damage?

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 02:20**

and interesting not one mention of kov here. how times have changed

funny because even in losing he still showed plenty of power in the right hand and even in the decisions vs chilemba and hop he scored knockdowns. he basically has hurt everyone hes fought , has won 28 of his 32 wins by stoppage, and literally killed a man. only one guy he fought didnt get dropped or stopped.

and yet bivol simply scores a last round stoppage over dropped many times barrera and now hes all over the thread. new russian hope lol! they threw kov away! hell, even gvodzyk gets a mention instead of kov!

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 03:53**

ValMar wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 14:49 This is my short list.

Joshua, Wilder, Price (HW)
Gassiev (CW)
Bivol, Stevenson (LHW)
Golovkin, Alvarez, Lemiuex (MW)
Spence (WW)
M. Garcia (LW)

Do you agree ?

I agree with the heavyweights, though only Wilder's right hand, Joshua might be a 9.
Need to watch more of Gassiev
Agree with Stevenson, but only his left hand, need to watch more of Bivol.
I'd rate GGG's power a 9, Alvarez an 8, Lemieux I agree is a 10.
Spence is a 9.
Garcia is maybe an 8.5

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 07:02**

jamamb wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 02:20 and interesting not one mention of kov here. how times have changed

funny because even in losing he still showed plenty of power in the right hand and even in the decisions vs chilemba and hop he scored knockdowns. he basically has hurt everyone hes fought , has won 28 of his 32 wins by stoppage, and literally killed a man. only one guy he fought didnt get dropped or stopped.

and yet bivol simply scores a last round stoppage over dropped many times barrera and now hes all over the thread. new russian hope lol! they threw kov away! hell, even gvodzyk gets a mention instead of kov!

Good point about Kovalev. He definitely deserves a mention.

Another one missing is Matthysse. Hes is over the hill and not the greatest of boxers but he has some serious power.

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 07:31**

Heretic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 07:02
jamamb wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 02:20 and interesting not one mention of kov here. how times have changed

funny because even in losing he still showed plenty of power in the right hand and even in the decisions vs chilemba and hop he scored knockdowns. he basically has hurt everyone hes fought , has won 28 of his 32 wins by stoppage, and literally killed a man. only one guy he fought didnt get dropped or stopped.

and yet bivol simply scores a last round stoppage over dropped many times barrera and now hes all over the thread. new russian hope lol! they threw kov away! hell, even gvodzyk gets a mention instead of kov!
Good point about Kovalev. He definitely deserves a mention.

Another one missing is Matthysse. Hes is over the hill and not the greatest of boxers but he has some serious power.

Kovalev might be 9/10, Matthysse (at LWW, only) too...

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 07:42**

Here’s my list of the top-ten biggest punchers in boxing today, in no particular order:

• Deontay Wilder
• Murat Gassiev
• Anthony Joshua
• Adonis Stevenson
• GGG
• Sergey Kovalev
• Jermall Charlo
• Gervonta Davis
• Naoya Inoue
• Errol Spence Jr.

Let’s not forget that the calibre of opposition counts, so there might be other fighters that are superficially percieved as being “more lethal” (per shot thrown) than some of the guys I’ve mentioned, but I doubt that they’ve proven their potency against top-drawer opponents.

Once again, I thoroughly expect to be ridiculed for having the sheer audacity for either excluding or including certain names in my list.

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 09:41**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 07:42 Here’s my list of the top-ten biggest punchers in boxing today, in no particular order:

• Deontay Wilder
• Murat Gassiev
• Anthony Joshua
• Adonis Stevenson
• GGG
• Sergey Kovalev
• Jermall Charlo
• Gervonta Davis
• Naoya Inoue
• Errol Spence Jr.

Let’s not forget that the calibre of opposition counts, so there might be other fighters that are superficially percieved as being “more lethal” (per shot thrown) than some of the guys I’ve mentioned, but I doubt that they’ve proven their potency against top-drawer opponents.

Once again, I thoroughly expect to be ridiculed for having the sheer audacity for either excluding or including certain names in my list.

As I already said, Kovalev migt be 9/10, Jermall Charlo too. I don't know a lot about Davis and Inoue. The rest is OK (for me).

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 14:12**

I'm going to get jumped all over for saying this, so let me make it clear I'm not saying Spence isn't a great fighter - he is - but how is his power getting rated so highly? He generates good power through the quality, timing and of his work and technique, not sheer one punch ko power at all... his best wins have all been tkos where the ref steps in (quite rightly), I don't recall any cold kos on his record.

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 14:41**

sharpei_louis wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 14:12 I'm going to get jumped all over for saying this, so let me make it clear I'm not saying Spence isn't a great fighter - he is - but how is his power getting rated so highly? He generates good power through the quality, timing and of his work and technique, not sheer one punch ko power at all... his best wins have all been tkos where the ref steps in (quite rightly), I don't recall any cold kos on his record.

I think he is the most powerful puncher at WW, at least since 2008.
Would you, please, list the more powerful puchers at WW, regarding last ten years.

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 14:52**

ValMar wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 14:41
sharpei_louis wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 14:12 I'm going to get jumped all over for saying this, so let me make it clear I'm not saying Spence isn't a great fighter - he is - but how is his power getting rated so highly? He generates good power through the quality, timing and of his work and technique, not sheer one punch ko power at all... his best wins have all been tkos where the ref steps in (quite rightly), I don't recall any cold kos on his record.
I think he is the most powerful puncher at WW, at least since 2008.
Would you, please, list the more powerful puchers at WW, regarding last ten years.

I rekon Miguel Cotto is a more proven harder puncher at WW. Maybe Mosley too.

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 15:05**

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 14:52
ValMar wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 14:41
sharpei_louis wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 14:12 I'm going to get jumped all over for saying this, so let me make it clear I'm not saying Spence isn't a great fighter - he is - but how is his power getting rated so highly? He generates good power through the quality, timing and of his work and technique, not sheer one punch ko power at all... his best wins have all been tkos where the ref steps in (quite rightly), I don't recall any cold kos on his record.
I think he is the most powerful puncher at WW, at least since 2008.
Would you, please, list the more powerful puchers at WW, regarding last ten years.
I rekon Miguel Cotto is a more proven harder puncher at WW. Maybe Mosley too.

I can not agree.....

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 15:45**

ValMar wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 15:05
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 14:52
ValMar wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 14:41

I think he is the most powerful puncher at WW, at least since 2008.
Would you, please, list the more powerful puchers at WW, regarding last ten years.
I rekon Miguel Cotto is a more proven harder puncher at WW. Maybe Mosley too.
I can not agree.....

Both have knocked out more reputable names with chins than Errol Spence has.

Posted: **14 Jun 2018, 16:01**

No list should preclude Julian Jackson. Perhaps hardest P4P puncher ever.

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