Kstat from TTR is the reference when it comes to rankings... he's been posting stuff like this for years now... dead fighters getting ranked months later... moving up in this case... Same fighter ranked twice in the top15... total lack of respect for the fighters... they are numbers to these orgs.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 06:20
by SenorPipino
In fairness, Parra was just recently slain.
Isn't it possible (probable) that the ratings were assigned before his death?
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 08:12
by TheBeast
If my org would depend on people risking their life and i would be taking thousands out of their paycheck, i'd at least follow the sport the way it should. Any fan of keeps track of the actuality was aware Parra had been shot.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 08:30
by SenorPipino
But again, were the month's ratings compiled before Parra's murder and then released right after his death?
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 08:34
by Lennox
It is hard to track everyone. Every ABC has made the 'error' of ranking a fighter that has passed away and the reason 'they' move up is just the above fighters lose or change divisions.
Managers are quick to big up their fighters and say their fighters should be ranked higher but they never ring up and say when their fighters retire or even worse.
Your coverage of fights, results is very good not everyone/organisation can hit the same level.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 12:16
by Deleted_Scenes
Lennox wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 08:34
It is hard to track everyone. Every ABC has made the 'error' of ranking a fighter that has passed away and the reason 'they' move up is just the above fighters lose or change divisions.
If a guy running a forum/website can track the fighters closely enough to spot these things, I'm pretty sure the sport's governing bodies should be able to.
They don't even have to keep track of every fighter. Just do a quick double check on anyone they've decided is worthy of a top 15 spot.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 16 Jun 2018, 13:56
by BitPlayer
It's not like is a few people keeping track of them in their spare time. How much money do these orgs take in from title fights? PLus all the other titles. It's a total gravy train.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 17 Jun 2018, 15:20
by punchoutsb
RandomUsername wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 01:36
Nobody can keep track of everything, its not disrespectful, those people are doing the best they can.
If they can't "keep track of everything" then they should officially shut down and cease to exist as an organization. Think about what you're saying; if they can't keep track of whether a fighter is even still alive, why should any credence at all be given to their rankings?
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 05:49
by Enlightened-One
The RING website published an article on the 5th June informing its readers that former world title challenger Gilberto Parra Medina had been shot dead. The IBF's rankings were published on 15th June and they haven’t been updated yet to reflect Gilberto’s unfortunate passing.
The WBA did precisely the same thing when they previously elevated Ali Raymi’s rankings three years ago, despite his death occurring two weeks prior to his ratings being elevated.
The WBO did it in 2001, when it was ridiculed after it admitted it had twice moved super-middleweight Darrin 'The Mongoose' Morris up its rankings despite the small matter of him being dead (for almost four months).
For sure, human error can occur, but when the deaths of certain world-rated fighters were widely publicised by several reputable media outlets, then it makes their actions almost inexcusable, because it’s borderline gross negligence.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 06:45
by Deleted_Scenes
BitPlayer wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 13:56
It's not like is a few people keeping track of them in their spare time. How much money do these orgs take in from title fights? PLus all the other titles. It's a total gravy train.
The point is, a few people keeping track in their spare time CAN keep track of these things. That's how the alphabets get found out. It's the professionals, who get paid to do exactly that task as part of their day job, that seem to struggle with this.
It's not even difficult. All they have to check, are the 15 names in each division that they decide to rank.
Joe Bloggs is going to be our #12 featherweight this month... Let's quickly Google his name. If anything comes up (such as him being dead), a quick phone call to his manager for confirmation, everyone below moves up a spot, a new names gets entered at the bottom.
It's a few minutes work - maybe a couple of hours to cover every single fighter in their rankings. They spend long enough debating these things. How hard is it to spend 2 hours checking for irregularities?
Of course it's disrespectful. There's no excuse. It's their job.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 07:35
by Lennox
No one will keep a known dead fighter in their ratings out of respect.
He is still in ours because of their monthly publication, it will be the same for others or simply they don't know. I am sure the passing of Parra will be widely known though. Darren Morris' death was unknown for a long time. The WBO were wrongly blamed and shamed when this happened, pretty sure even his manager did not know.
Sadly fighters die all the time, every month there is one or someone retiring, if no one tells you you may not know.
BitPlayer wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 13:56
It's not like is a few people keeping track of them in their spare time. How much money do these orgs take in from title fights? PLus all the other titles. It's a total gravy train.
The point is, a few people keeping track in their spare time CAN keep track of these things. That's how the alphabets get found out. It's the professionals, who get paid to do exactly that task as part of their day job, that seem to struggle with this.
It's not even difficult. All they have to check, are the 15 names in each division that they decide to rank.
Joe Bloggs is going to be our #12 featherweight this month... Let's quickly Google his name. If anything comes up (such as him being dead), a quick phone call to his manager for confirmation, everyone below moves up a spot, a new names gets entered at the bottom.
It's a few minutes work - maybe a couple of hours to cover every single fighter in their rankings. They spend long enough debating these things. How hard is it to spend 2 hours checking for irregularities?
Of course it's disrespectful. There's no excuse. It's their job.
Maybe you should think more about how you do your job?
Who is it that this massive disrespect is being shown to? The underskilled and overhyped crappy fighters or the morons who watch their fights? Maybe I can kiss a ring somewhere?
Again. It hasnt been established that this isnt being done as a token of respect to the fallen fighters. Cry me a river
When I'm at work, I do think about my own job. If I showed this same level of negligence in my own job, I'd fully expect to have to look for a new job pretty quickly. Same for those who work below me. They'd be politely but firmly shown the door.
It's disrespectful to Gilberto Parra's family. Ability levels in the ring become irrelevant, when it comes to life and death. The IBF, who consider Parra one of the best 15 in the world, at his weight, have failed to recognise his passing - when a 10 second Google search, prior to publication, would have set them straight.
That's inexcusable. I'm not sure why you'd defend the IBF, or attack those who feel they've fúcked up, unless you're either affiliated with them, have no respect for a fighter's life yourself, or just like an argument. There really isn't an explanation for the IBF to continue to rank Parra.
Token of respect? If it is, it would be a first. You'd also think an action taken as a mark of respect might come with a formal announcement. That's certainly the common practice. It really isn't difficult to see this isn't the case here.
Maybe you should think more about how you do your job?
Who is it that this massive disrespect is being shown to? The underskilled and overhyped crappy fighters or the morons who watch their fights? Maybe I can kiss a ring somewhere?
Again. It hasnt been established that this isnt being done as a token of respect to the fallen fighters. Cry me a river
When I'm at work, I do think about my own job. If I showed this same level of negligence in my own job, I'd fully expect to have to look for a new job pretty quickly. Same for those who work below me. They'd be politely but firmly shown the door.
It's disrespectful to Gilberto Parra's family. Ability levels in the ring become irrelevant, when it comes to life and death. The IBF, who consider Parra one of the best 15 in the world, at his weight, have failed to recognise his passing - when a 10 second Google search, prior to publication, would have set them straight.
That's inexcusable. I'm not sure why you'd defend the IBF, or attack those who feel they've fúcked up, unless you're either affiliated with them, have no respect for a fighter's life yourself, or just like an argument. There really isn't an explanation for the IBF to continue to rank Parra.
Token of respect? If it is, it would be a first. You'd also think an action taken as a mark of respect might come with a formal announcement. That's certainly the common practice. It really isn't difficult to see this isn't the case here.
Yeah... all tokens of respect have to come with formal announcments.
This is not disrespectful to the fighters family.
I dont believe those things that you said about you doing your job well.
Keep the river flowing
1. That's common practice. Has been in all walks of life, for as long as I can remember.
2. A majority seem to disagree, which kind of suggests it might be...
3. Tell you what, apply for my manager's job, get hired, then you can come and analyse my performance at work. Until then, I'm more qualified to state how things work, since I actually work there.
4. I'm out. You're fishing, and I'm done biting. An adult conversation would come with reasoning and explanation, combined with a level of respect shown to others. "Err, nah... you're wrong" is just being contrarian for the sake of it.
Good day.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 09:18
by BitPlayer
Lennox wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 07:35
Ali Raymi probably never even existed.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 09:25
by jujigatame
This isn't anything new. The rankings of these ABC orgs are utter nonsense and are almost entirely removed from any measure of athletic achievement. The folks who run these orgs probably barely follow the sport. The sooner people start ignoring them, the better.
RandomUsername wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 01:36
Nobody can keep track of everything, its not disrespectful, those people are doing the best they can.
If they can't "keep track of everything" then they should officially shut down and cease to exist as an organization. Think about what you're saying; if they can't keep track of whether a fighter is even still alive, why should any credence at all be given to their rankings?
And maybe you should stop posting here if you cant keep track of everything? Or are you maybe allowed to do as you please? If so then the same applies to them. And again it hasnt been proven that this was done because they werent keeping track of things, it could have been done as a sign of respect. Find something else to be angry about.
The entire point of my existence isn't posting on boxrec and I don't receive hefty compensation for doing so. Literally the ONLY reason these orgs exist is to maintain their own rankings and to make money off them.
The fact that you think forum posters and businesses are in any way comparable doesn't speak highly of your ability to use logic.
Re: Again, a total lack of respect
Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 11:59
by norniron
The reason he is ranked is because this is the May update he was still alive in May he died on the 6th of June.
very good not everyone/organisation can hit the same level.
