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GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 04:50
by apollo creed
"Charlo is a good fighter. He had a good reign at junior middleweight. He's a good boxer. He gets into some trouble sometimes because he talks a little more than he should. But he's not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him. I think Saunders is a much bigger fight than Charlo," Sanchez told BS.com.
"[Who would I prefer to fight next?] I think that is a question more for my promoter, Tom [Loeffler]. I have a lot of demands. I think the WBC has a challenger [Charlo]. I think the WBA has Murata. At this point, probably Saunders... why not. I want all my belts. My goal is all my belts," Golovkin said. from BS.
I agree with this. Saunders and Murata make more $ sense! Some people would say - but what about the times when GGG fought names like Monroe Jr, Wade, Vanes or Adama ?! Yeah that was low competition but also less risky! Jermall seems to be a high risk and low reward type of fighter. If Jermall would fight Jacobs-Derev winner and beat him then his stocks would go higher and he would be a more valuable fighter.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 06:44
by Thomastearns
This highlights my biggest problem with boxing, namely which fights get made. For fighters on their way up the sensible path to a big money fight or title is one of the least danger. This is the tried and tested route as there are always plenty of journeymen out there in need of money.
For champions the strategy seems to also involve avoiding dangerous opposition. However their status as champions often allows a ridiculous amount of leverage in following this strategy. Their incentives to fight regularly often appear to have deserted them.
The only known antidote to this affliction in boxing is money, but that in itself can lead to protracted and seemingly interminable purse wars.
One solution would be for champions to fight more regularly, but that too carries more danger, especially against the harder hitters out there. Mandatories no longer have the threat they once did because of the sheer number of titles out there. Its like waiting for a a bus, (if you keep winning) another one will be along soon.
Anyway, I don't think Sanchez should be discussing any future fights for GGG just yet. Perhaps he'd be better off focusing on Canelo for now. He hasn't covered himself in glory with his astute tactical decisions in any of GGG's fights so far.
Sheer talent has worked well so far for Golovkin, but from now on tactics and strategy geared solely at exploiting the weakness of the opposition will be need to be first rate.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 09:10
by caldo2025
Thomastearns wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 06:44
This highlights my biggest problem with boxing, namely which fights get made. For fighters on their way up the sensible path to a big money fight or title is one of the least danger. This is the tried and tested route as there are always plenty of journeymen out there in need of money.
For champions the strategy seems to also involve avoiding dangerous opposition. However their status as champions often allows a ridiculous amount of leverage in following this strategy. Their incentives to fight regularly often appear to have deserted them.
The only known antidote to this affliction in boxing is money, but that in itself can lead to protracted and seemingly interminable purse wars.
One solution would be for champions to fight more regularly, but that too carries more danger, especially against the harder hitters out there. Mandatories no longer have the threat they once did because of the sheer number of titles out there. Its like waiting for a a bus, (if you keep winning) another one will be along soon.
Anyway, I don't think Sanchez should be discussing any future fights for GGG just yet. Perhaps he'd be better off focusing on Canelo for now. He hasn't covered himself in glory with his astute tactical decisions in any of GGG's fights so far.
Sheer talent has worked well so far for Golovkin, but from now on tactics and strategy geared solely at exploiting the weakness of the opposition will be need to be first rate.
I agree with your assertion that champions do have too much leverage in Boxing but I don't think that it applies to this situation between GGG and Charlo. What in the world has Charlo done at 160 pounds to warrant a title shot? Charlo has only had 2 fights at Middleweight so far and wins over Centeno Jr and Heiland hardly seem to me to be title shot worthy.
But i do think that GGG has earned the right to be able to pick and choose his battles in the way that other top P4P fighters have always been able to. The sports top stars always had a different set of rules than the rest of the fighters and that's just the way the sport is and that's not going to change.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 09:27
by SenorPipino
Sanchez translation: We simply don't want any part of Charlo!
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 11:12
by apollo creed
caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 09:10
Thomastearns wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 06:44
This highlights my biggest problem with boxing, namely which fights get made. For fighters on their way up the sensible path to a big money fight or title is one of the least danger. This is the tried and tested route as there are always plenty of journeymen out there in need of money.
For champions the strategy seems to also involve avoiding dangerous opposition. However their status as champions often allows a ridiculous amount of leverage in following this strategy. Their incentives to fight regularly often appear to have deserted them.
The only known antidote to this affliction in boxing is money, but that in itself can lead to protracted and seemingly interminable purse wars.
One solution would be for champions to fight more regularly, but that too carries more danger, especially against the harder hitters out there. Mandatories no longer have the threat they once did because of the sheer number of titles out there. Its like waiting for a a bus, (if you keep winning) another one will be along soon.
Anyway, I don't think Sanchez should be discussing any future fights for GGG just yet. Perhaps he'd be better off focusing on Canelo for now. He hasn't covered himself in glory with his astute tactical decisions in any of GGG's fights so far.
Sheer talent has worked well so far for Golovkin, but from now on tactics and strategy geared solely at exploiting the weakness of the opposition will be need to be first rate.
I agree with your assertion that champions do have too much leverage in Boxing but I don't think that it applies to this situation between GGG and Charlo. What in the world has Charlo done at 160 pounds to warrant a title shot? Charlo has only had 2 fights at Middleweight so far and wins over Centeno Jr and Heiland hardly seem to me to be title shot worthy.
But i do think that GGG has earned the right to be able to pick and choose his battles in the way that other top P4P fighters have always been able to. The sports top stars always had a different set of rules than the rest of the fighters and that's just the way the sport is and that's not going to change.
People have short memory and forget what a difficult road had Golovkin and how hard it was for him to get a big name inside the ring. He pretty much beat all the top contenders and gatekeepers to get those titles and be in a good position. Let's not forget that fighters like Sturm, Martinez, Cotto and Quillin were avoiding GGG at that time. Also GGG being in a well deserved position can pick and choose whoever he wants to fight with those titles on the table or not. And let's be real Saunders is more accomplished at mw than Jermall. Jermall only fought some stiffs.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 16:12
by Best Coast
SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 09:27
Sanchez translation: We simply don't want any part of Charlo!
Exactly!!
Now that the fading GGG is 36, his camp would much rather face the way slower Canelo or the totally inept Martirosyan.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 16:15
by SenorPipino
Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 16:12
SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 09:27
Sanchez translation: We simply don't want any part of Charlo!
Exactly!!
Now that the fading GGG is 36, his camp would much rather face the way slower Canelo or the totally inept Martirosyan.
Well I don't agree with your analysis of Canelo as "way slower" but it's obvious that Golovkin will take on a true challenge only if he's highly compensated.
Therefore, he'll step into the ring with Canelo to the tune of $30-$40 million+.
But Golovkin has no intention of dealing with Charlo for a payday that doesn't figure to exceed $5 million.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 17:04
by Cent0089
Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 16:12
SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 09:27
Sanchez translation: We simply don't want any part of Charlo!
Exactly!!
Now that the fading GGG is 36, his camp would much rather face the way slower Canelo or the totally inept Martirosyan.
Canelo slower than Charlo?? Btw that inept Martyrosian fought Charlo (smaller one) and many people saying he won that fight
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 17:49
by Enlightened-One
Abel Sanchez is a hypocrite, because he criticised the same sort of conduct of other fighters, but when Team GGG decide to behave in precisely the same manner, he feels that their actions should be endorsed.
It seems that the word "consistency" no longer exists and that "double standards" is a concept supported by intellectually subnormal defective specimens of humanity..
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 17:53
by Enlightened-One
Cent0089 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 17:04
Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 16:12
SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 09:27
Sanchez translation: We simply don't want any part of Charlo!
Exactly!!
Now that the fading GGG is 36, his camp would much rather face the way slower Canelo or the totally inept Martirosyan.
Canelo slower than Charlo?? Btw that inept Martyrosian fought Charlo (smaller one) and many people saying he won that fight
GGG engaged in a mismatch during his most recent outing and only mentally disturbed and emotionally troubled individuals failed to predict the one-sided nature of that bout.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 19:51
by boxing_rocks
When Martinez, Sturm, Geale, Quillin, etc. were ducking Golovkin, they were picking weaker opponents. BJS is not weaker than Charlo, at least there is no evidence of that. Charlo still needs to prove himself at 160.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 22:13
by Blodhemn
Saunders is probably a tougher fight for GGG, stylewise, and he has a belt. Really isn't much to complain about.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 08:07
by Cent0089
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 17:53
Cent0089 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 17:04
Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 16:12
Exactly!!
Now that the fading GGG is 36, his camp would much rather face the way slower Canelo or the totally inept Martirosyan.
Canelo slower than Charlo?? Btw that inept Martyrosian fought Charlo (smaller one) and many people saying he won that fight
GGG engaged in a mismatch during his most recent outing and only mentally disturbed and emotionally troubled individuals failed to predict the one-sided nature of that bout.
So everybody who was giving Martyrosian some chances was mentally disturbed and emotionally troubled individuals? What a wise person you are
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 08:23
by Enlightened-One
Cent0089 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2018, 08:07
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 17:53
Cent0089 wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 17:04
Canelo slower than Charlo?? Btw that inept Martyrosian fought Charlo (smaller one) and many people saying he won that fight
GGG engaged in a mismatch during his most recent outing and only mentally disturbed and emotionally troubled individuals failed to predict the one-sided nature of that bout.
So everybody who was giving Martyrosian some chances was mentally disturbed and emotionally troubled individuals? What a wise person you are
Perhaps what I said was a bit harsh, but admittedly my sentiments were intentionally phrased for comedic shock value.
That being said, the outcome of GGG's most recent outing was preposterously easy to predict.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 08:48
by Cent0089
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jul 2018, 08:23
Cent0089 wrote: ↑09 Jul 2018, 08:07
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 17:53
GGG engaged in a mismatch during his most recent outing and only mentally disturbed and emotionally troubled individuals failed to predict the one-sided nature of that bout.
So everybody who was giving Martyrosian some chances was mentally disturbed and emotionally troubled individuals? What a wise person you are
Perhaps what I said was a bit harsh, but admittedly my sentiments were intentionally phrased for comedic shock value.
That being said, the outcome of GGG's most recent outing was preposterously easy to predict.
That sounds better man
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 11:46
by apollo creed
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 19:51
When Martinez, Sturm, Geale, Quillin, etc. were ducking Golovkin, they were picking weaker opponents. BJS is not weaker than Charlo, at least there is no evidence of that. Charlo still needs to prove himself at 160.
Yup. Jermall should fight better competition.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 13:55
by Mexi-Box
I have to agree. What makes Charlo better than Murata, Jacobs, or Saunders, especially? Hell, he has nothing on Canelo at either MW nor SMW. Charlos best win at MW is a one-legged dude. His best win at SMW is either Trout or Love (a prospect).
He needs to fight someone.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 14:13
by apollo creed
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑09 Jul 2018, 13:55
I have to agree. What makes Charlo better than Murata, Jacobs, or Saunders, especially? Hell, he has nothing on Canelo at either MW nor SMW. Charlos best win at MW is a one-legged dude. His best win at SMW is either Trout or Love (a prospect).
He needs to fight someone.
Yup. Atm Jermall it's just a risky fight with less reward for GGG. Jermall's stocks could increase if he'd fight and beat clearly the winner of Jacobs-Derev fight.
The funny thing is Murata has a better-ish resume than Jermall at 160 lbs.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 14:31
by tiny_acres
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 17:49
Abel Sanchez is a hypocrite, because he criticised the same sort of conduct of other fighters, but when Team GGG decide to behave in precisely the same manner, he feels that their actions should be endorsed.
It seems that the word "consistency" no longer exists and that "double standards" is a concept supported by intellectually subnormal defective specimens of humanity..
You know it's the typical do as I say not as I do mentality. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Good post
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 19:49
by jamamb
Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 16:12
SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018, 09:27
Sanchez translation: We simply don't want any part of Charlo!
Exactly!!
Now that the fading GGG is 36, his camp would much rather face the way slower Canelo or the totally inept Martirosyan.
bizarre post, have you actually watched these guys? canelo has top notch hand speed and though canelo has slow feet jermall aint exactly a mover either (bjs prob has the best footwork at 160 ). just sounds like your massive ll y exaggerating and making sh!t up to suit your argument
canelo is also way more proven then charlo, strange to act like gggs made some cherry pick vs a way less dangerous and proven fighter. they went for canelo because of all the extra money, not because hes clearly inferior to charlo. i cant knock ggg fighting an elite guy whose more proven then charlo for way more money. even im not that much of a ggg hater
bjs too is a top boxer and more proven then charlo, so fighting him wouldnt be a step down either. but obviously vanes blew and i dont think muratas all that good
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 20:57
by boxing_rocks
I don't rate Murata and think that Charlo would destroy him, but "think" is a key word. Charlo needs to beat somebody good so that we know, not just assume.
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 23:26
by Lackeos
When exactly did the conqueror of Dominic Wade and Willie Monroe decide that the level of Jermall Charlo was beneath him? Was it before he fought Vanes Martirosyan?
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 10 Jul 2018, 00:13
by squiggy
Outside the Charlo family, who *doesn't* rate GGG a level higher than Jermall?
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 10 Jul 2018, 00:14
by jamamb
Lackeos wrote: ↑09 Jul 2018, 23:26
When exactly did the conqueror of Dominic Wade and Willie Monroe decide that the level of Jermall Charlo was beneath him? Was it before he fought Vanes Martirosyan?
did ggg actually decide it? most of the talk i see is from sanchez, although maybe ggg agrees with him but who knows. ggg said hed like saunders next (presumably affter canelo) and saunders would be a top opponent
Re: GGG's trainer: "He's[Jermall Charlo] not a marquee name that would warrant Golovkin fighting him"
Posted: 10 Jul 2018, 07:21
by Enlightened-One
jamamb wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 00:14
Lackeos wrote: ↑09 Jul 2018, 23:26
When exactly did the conqueror of Dominic Wade and Willie Monroe decide that the level of Jermall Charlo was beneath him? Was it before he fought Vanes Martirosyan?
did ggg actually decide it? most of the talk i see is from sanchez, although maybe ggg agrees with him but who knows. ggg said hed like saunders next (presumably affter canelo) and saunders would be a top opponent
Golovkin's bout against Vanes Martirosyan was promoted solely by GGG Promotions. The Kazakh is now in control over his own destiny.
Abel Sanchez is simply being used as a mouthpiece for GGG (a figurehead that only has a limited amount of influence over commercial decisions), either due to Gennady’s reluctance to play the stereotypical role of the villainous pantomime heel, or due to his lack of English vocabulary. Either way, Sanchez’s attempt to grab the media spotlight for the sake of his charge is clearly very effective.