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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 06:54

So I hope I’ve not caused too much outrage or anguish due to the decisions I've made.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 06:54 I’m struggling to put together a list that reflects my thoughts on this matter, but here are ten fighters that I feel accomplished an awful lot since the start of 2000, through until the end of their careers (in no particular order):

• Floyd Mayweather Jr.
• Manny Pacquiao
• Juan Manuel Marquez
• Bernard Hopkins
• Erik Morales
• Shane Mosley
• Marco Antonio Barrera
• Wladimir Klitschko
• Andre Ward
• Roy Jones Jr.

Honourable mentions to the following fighters who have been regarded as genuine pound-for-pound talent for several years of their respective careers (during the same timeframe):

• Timothy Bradley
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Kostya Tszyu
• Ronald 'Winky' Wright
• Ricky Hatton
• Rafael Marquez
• Nonito Donaire
• Sergio Martinez
• Guillermo Rigondeaux
• Canelo Alvarez
• Joe Calzaghe
• Sergey Kovalev
• Gennady Golovkin
• Terence Crawford

Whilst it’s abundantly clear that there are a few notable omissions from my lists, it’s important to note that longevity of pound-for-pound status, calibre of opposition and accomplishment are three of the main factors that I used to determine those names that were worthy for consideration.

For instance: whilst it’s abundantly clear that fighters like Vasyl Lomachenko and Errol Spence Jr. are fantastic pugilists with enormous potential, I don’t feel they’ve quite accomplished enough yet to quality for this type of list.

So I hope I’ve not caused too much outrage or anguish due to the decisions I've made.

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 04:11 floyds number 1 easy

Sorono wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 07:34

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 04:11 floyds number 1 easy

If we go by achievemants than obviously pac.
When pac was fighting legends like barrera, morales & marquez, in the same time floyd was wasting his career fighting bruseles, corley and old old gatti.

When pac was prime and fighting de la hoya, hatton & cotto and was willing to fight Floyd. What floyd doing, having a 2 year vacation and 10000 reasons not to fight prime pac.

And dont come with pac lost, floyd did not. Castillo 1, floyd lost. Maidana 1, floyd had a draw or loss. Maidana 2, floyd was dq fir to much holding.

Pac 1 on axhievemants. Vasyl 2 on talent.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 07:40

Sorono wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 07:34

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 04:11 floyds number 1 easy

If we go by achievemants than obviously pac.
When pac was fighting legends like barrera, morales & marquez, in the same time floyd was wasting his career fighting bruseles, corley and old old gatti.

When pac was prime and fighting de la hoya, hatton & cotto and was willing to fight Floyd. What floyd doing, having a 2 year vacation and 10000 reasons not to fight prime pac.

And dont come with pac lost, floyd did not. Castillo 1, floyd lost. Maidana 1, floyd had a draw or loss. Maidana 2, floyd was dq fir to much holding.

Pac 1 on axhievemants. Vasyl 2 on talent.

I am a bit confused about the logic you've used to draw such conclusions. For sure, you're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts and nor are you capable of rewriting history.

If you don’t like Floyd Mayweather Jr., then that’s fine by me. However, you shouldn’t undermine your own credibility by making fictional statements that bear no relation whatsoever to real-world historical events.

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 09:34 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Juan Manuel Marquez
Roy Jones Jr.
Andre Ward
Eric Morales
Marco Antonio Barerra
Shane Mosley
Oscar Delahoya

RandomUsername wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 11:53

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 11:11 The same list of fighters that I have, except you've swapped out Wladimir Klitschko for Oscar De La Hoya. I just felt that the Ukraine achieved more than the Golden boy did from the year 2000 onwards, but other than that, we pretty much agree.

Such englightenment. The name Wladimir doesn't belong on any list above the name of Lennox Lewis. Wladdy was always considered the worse brother of the two, Vitaly was always considered the stronger brother. And lil Vitaly got himself raped by big bad Lennox Lewis, say what you want but Vitaly's face got smashed into oblivion in that fight and no getting your face busted into poo doesn't earn you the right to a rematch. Also if you want to argue the forced LL into retirement nonsense then you have to also concede to Fury forcing Vitaly's retirement, very similar logic there.

With this in mind that Vitaly was much better than Wlad and that Lennox Lewis was much better than Vitaly then you have to look at Wlad's performance against todays top dawg Anthony Joshua, Wladdy could have won that one but ofcourse he did not but with that being said Lennox Lewis would have had an easy time with overrated Anthony Joshua so with all of that considered a prime Lennox Lewis would have dominated the heavyweights from 1999 to the present day 2018, we have not seen a HW as good as him now for 19 whole years and he'd be dominating the current HW division.

ValMar wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 12:20 All these lists without Lennox Lewis are meaningless, period.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 15:08

ValMar wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 12:20 All these lists without Lennox Lewis are meaningless, period.

The problem is that Lennox had only 7 fights in 2000s losing one of them. He had 3 excellent wins - Vitali (although in a very tough fight), Tua (fat as hell, but still very dangerous), and Rahman (not a great fighter by any means, but KO'ed Lewis and Lennox avenged that loss in very impressive fashion). Tyson was beyond shot - the same version of Tyson was knocked out much quicker by Danny Williams. Botha and Grant didn't belong in the top-10, but Lennox destroyed them impressively. So, his resume in 2000s just can't be compared not only to the resumes of Floyd and Manny, but also to the resumes of Barrera, Morales, Hopkins, Marquez, Mosley, Clzaghe, Wright. Now, had we took into account his whole career, it would be different, but the thread is about last 18 years - since 2000 until present day.

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 04:11 floyds number 1 easy

ValMar wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 16:10

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 15:08

ValMar wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 12:20 All these lists without Lennox Lewis are meaningless, period.

The problem is that Lennox had only 7 fights in 2000s losing one of them. He had 3 excellent wins - Vitali (although in a very tough fight), Tua (fat as hell, but still very dangerous), and Rahman (not a great fighter by any means, but KO'ed Lewis and Lennox avenged that loss in very impressive fashion). Tyson was beyond shot - the same version of Tyson was knocked out much quicker by Danny Williams. Botha and Grant didn't belong in the top-10, but Lennox destroyed them impressively. So, his resume in 2000s just can't be compared not only to the resumes of Floyd and Manny, but also to the resumes of Barrera, Morales, Hopkins, Marquez, Mosley, Clzaghe, Wright. Now, had we took into account his whole career, it would be different, but the thread is about last 18 years - since 2000 until present day.

I will never agree with you about this topic. Lennox Lewis is the best boxer in this century, there is not any dilemma for me.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 07:16

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 06:54

So I hope I’ve not caused too much outrage or anguish due to the decisions I've made.

Oh the humanity! My anguish was mostly based on having to read all that EO. I did offer to be your editor (I woulda chopped off an excessive 'abundant' too )

Snoozeko a bit high mate. Only one division, dominant and long time for sure, but only one division.

Lennox wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 16:46

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 04:11 floyds number 1 easy

Any list that does not have FM at 1 is totally retarded. Statistically he is absolutely miles ahead.

squiggy wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 17:14 What's the problem with only one division? Would you hold that against Marvin Hagler in a 1980s list?

Lennox wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 16:46

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Jul 2018, 04:11 floyds number 1 easy

Any list that does not have FM at 1 is totally retarded. Statistically he is absolutely miles ahead.