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Munguia looked impressive in his fight with Sadam Ali, but he was fighting a welterweight who was stopped by Jessie Vargas. Munguia is only 21. LIam Smith is a sold 154 lber with a good jab who did ok with Canelo until he was stopped. What if he pulls out his bag of veteran tricks? Could this be another Salido vs Lomachenko or Charlo vs Lubin?

i really like him but im interested in this fight, sadam ali is really a b or c+ level welterweight who couldnt stand up to jessie vargas. since when does beating a guy like that make someone a totally legit 154 pound monster?

even though smith aint exactly elite i think hes a more legit 154 pounder then ali and munguia blowing him out would be more impressive then doing that to ali. smith at least stood up to canelo for 9

Ali would beat Smith, Smith is very basic, he'll get a beating here. I might have to eat my hat for saying that but we'll see

Pipino Cuevas was just 18 years old and green when he quickly destroyed respected WBA welterweight king Angel Espada.

Pipino was coming off a 10 round schooling by Andy Price, and was expected to be a an easy victim for Espada.

It didn't turn out that way and Cuevas went on to terrorize welterweights for the next 4 years.

Don't expect Munguia to falter Saturday. Smith is a tough guy but hardly special.

How long it goes simply depends on how much punishment the challenger can endure.

Too green for somebody like Golovkin or Canelo, but mature enough to easily beat Smith. I would love to see Munguia against a Charlo.

Given the fact that Smith lasted 9 rounds with Canelo it will be a good measuring stick to see how Munguia does by comparison!!

Best Coast wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:37 Given the fact that Smith lasted 9 rounds with Canelo it will be a good measuring stick to see how Munguia does by comparison!!

Smith lasted 9 rounds against Canelo, because Canelo was in no hurry. Smith didn't pressure him, and Clenbnelo knew that he had judges' decision in his pocket, so he just waited for his chance.

Of course he too green people crowning this guy for beating a welterweight and people seem to forget they were calling Ali-Munngia 50/50 fight prior now he a threat to top guys at 54 at least let him fight J-Rock or Brook or even Castano before crowning.

The Jessie Vargas that Sadam Ali fought was definitely on something at the time, though. Dude was working with Heredia and even said that dude is fishy (like a complete moron).

It was a very good win for Munguia, and I think he's going to run over Liam Smith as well. Anyways, Munguia is being brought up really well. Ali and Smith aren't the best guys out there, but they're solid names.

world ranked wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:41 Of course he too green people crowning this guy for beating a welterweight and people seem to forget they were calling Ali-Munngia 50/50 fight prior now he a threat to top guys at 54 at least let him fight J-Rock or Brook or even Castano before crowning.

It was Munguia's first step up fight, ffs. The fact that he was 50-50 with the guy that just beat Cotto shows he was highly thought of.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:46

world ranked wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:41 Of course he too green people crowning this guy for beating a welterweight and people seem to forget they were calling Ali-Munngia 50/50 fight prior now he a threat to top guys at 54 at least let him fight J-Rock or Brook or even Castano before crowning.

It was Munguia's first step up fight, ffs. The fact that he was 50-50 with the guy that just beat Cotto shows he was highly thought of.

Cotto wasnt relevant to 54 neither was Ali. Nobody thought Cotto or Ali was the top of the division. Ali wasn't highly thought of. He was a guy who was a the right place at the right time and nobody though he was threat to the division.

Smith is very tough and has a well schooled jab. I just remember the Canelo fight and how Canelo was twice his thickness. Unless smith has thickened out himself I see a similar scenario which doesn’t bode well for him. It’s sad to talk about size rather than boxing but the size differences we are seeing are ridiculous.

This fight should tell us a fair bit about Munguia. Smith is a tough, solid top 10 fighter at 154. He has good shot selection, especially on the inside and throws good body shots. He is though sometimes guilty of covering up and not being active enough. Judging by the power Munguia showed vs Ali, just tucking up might not be the best idea.

In terms of styles, Ali tried to move but couldn't avoid Munguia or take his power. The question mark over Ali is that he's naturally a welterweight. But if Munguia deals with movers like that on a regular basis he's going to be hard to beat. Smith won't fight like Ali, he'll probably look to move his head rather than his feet, get inside and work Munguia to the body. If he can get there he's got plenty of target to aim for, but he'll likely have to take some big shots before he can get his own work off. Munguia seems like he's no slouch on his feet himself as well and may well be able to keep Smith on the end of his shots.

world ranked wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:54

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:46

world ranked wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:41 Of course he too green people crowning this guy for beating a welterweight and people seem to forget they were calling Ali-Munngia 50/50 fight prior now he a threat to top guys at 54 at least let him fight J-Rock or Brook or even Castano before crowning.

It was Munguia's first step up fight, ffs. The fact that he was 50-50 with the guy that just beat Cotto shows he was highly thought of.

Cotto wasnt relevant to 54 neither was Ali. Nobody thought Cotto or Ali was the top of the division. Ali wasn't highly thought of. He was a guy who was a the right place at the right time and nobody though he was threat to the division.

You're crazy and are obviously looking in hindsight. Nobody thought Cotto was at the top of the division, but he wasn't shot and looked as a good fight for any of the top guys. When Ali won, it was called an upset for a reason, ffs. Please show me a post of yours from when the fight was taking place where you thought Ali would win.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 21:42

world ranked wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:54

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:46

It was Munguia's first step up fight, ffs. The fact that he was 50-50 with the guy that just beat Cotto shows he was highly thought of.

Cotto wasnt relevant to 54 neither was Ali. Nobody thought Cotto or Ali was the top of the division. Ali wasn't highly thought of. He was a guy who was a the right place at the right time and nobody though he was threat to the division.

You're crazy and are obviously looking in hindsight. Nobody thought Cotto was at the top of the division, but he wasn't shot and looked as a good fight for any of the top guys. When Ali won, it was called an upset for a reason, ffs. Please show me a post of yours from when the fight was taking place where you thought Ali would win.

He wasn't shot. But an upset happens at every level of a division and most has nothing to do with the top the division. My point is beaten Ali isn't big win in scheme of the division neither will beating Liam Smith.

Munguia was considered a prospect before the Ali fight.

Wasn't he honored as Ring Magazine's prospect of the year?

They'll be cautious with him and put him in with middling contenders like Smith until it's felt that the Mexican is ready for the big fish at 154.

world ranked wrote: ↑19 Jul 2018, 18:20

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 21:42

world ranked wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:54

Cotto wasnt relevant to 54 neither was Ali. Nobody thought Cotto or Ali was the top of the division. Ali wasn't highly thought of. He was a guy who was a the right place at the right time and nobody though he was threat to the division.

You're crazy and are obviously looking in hindsight. Nobody thought Cotto was at the top of the division, but he wasn't shot and looked as a good fight for any of the top guys. When Ali won, it was called an upset for a reason, ffs. Please show me a post of yours from when the fight was taking place where you thought Ali would win.

He wasn't shot. But an upset happens at every level of a division and most has nothing to do with the top the division. My point is beaten Ali isn't big win in scheme of the division neither will beating Liam Smith.

In the scheme of things, it was a big win. Only two other fighters currently have wins that *maybe* rival Sadam Ali. Hurd's entire resume, of course, is probably the best in the division, but Charlo, maybe.

Charlo's best win is either shot Austin Trout, Erickson Lubin, or John Jackson.

Those are the top two guys currently and Munguia's win over Ali is arguably better than Charlo's best win.

I'm not including Lara, btw.

sadam ali got thrashed by jessie vargas. beating ali isnt some monster win, just stop with that. vargas hardly has stopped any one else half decent but he beat up and knocked out ali. ali is at best a b level welter whose no more then an average sized welter. he caught a seriously faded cotto who already planned to retire right after the fight because he knew he was at the end

ali would get beaten up by a lot of jms and wws, jessie vargas already did it. munguia looks good but has a lot to prove

jamamb wrote: ↑19 Jul 2018, 23:46 sadam ali got thrashed by jessie vargas. beating ali isnt some monster win, just stop with that. vargas hardly has stopped any one else half decent but he beat up and knocked out ali. ali is at best a b level welter whose no more then an average sized welter. he caught a seriously faded cotto who already planned to retire because he knew he was at the end

ali would get beaten up by a lot of jms and wws, jessie vargas already did it. munguia looks good but has a lot to prove

I like how you didn't address my point. Either address my point or stop replying.

Compare Ali to completely shot Austin Trout, even more unproven Lubin, and no notable win John Jackson.

It's a good win for the division. Of course, most other divisions where guys fight top fighters every now and then, it's not a big win at all. Compared to what everyone else at 154 lbs. is currently doing it's a good win.

By the way, I've not made a list in a long time, but I'd suspect Vargas is still a top 10 WW. Stop acting like it's some horrific loss where he lost to a journeyman.

LOL i wasnt even replying to you, you f@cking tit. just giving my general thought on the significance of the ali win and how i think its overrated by a lot of ppl

sadam ali was a total flash in the pan at 154 , isnt even big at welter, and already got beaten up and stopped by a b level welter who hardly stops anyone. you mention trout but trouts a natural 154, hasnt been stopped by anyone like vargas, and was legit competitive with young, top 154ers who werent on the way out. he also beat cotto easily and by a wider margin years and years before ali did.

a lot of guys from 147-154 would beat up ali, munguia doesnt deserve to be treated as a monster yet, dude still has A LOT to prove

jamamb wrote: ↑20 Jul 2018, 00:04 LOL i wasnt even replying to you, you f@cking tit. just giving my general thought on the significance of the ali win and how i think its overrated by a lot of ppl

sadam ali was a total flash in the pan at 154 , isnt even big at welter, and already got beaten up and stopped by a b level welter who hardly stops anyone. a lot of guys from 147-154 would beat up ali, munguia doesnt deserve to be treated as a monster yet, dude still has A LOT to prove

Oh, it was just coincidence that you brought up your idiotic opinion right after my discussion.

No, it's very likely that you would've came out looking like an idiot like in the Golovkin thread and are trying to pull back.

You still don't want to address my question even though you are replying to me trying to make an argument (even though you said you didn't have one).

As I said, either back up your claim or stop making it, simple.

wtf are you talking about

i havent even read your posts except the ones you addressed to me, stop thinking people care about your opinion that much, kid

face it , facts are sadam ali couldnt even hang with jessie vargas. dude got beaten up and knocked out. yet vargas couldnt put a dent in broner or stop anyone else half decent he faced. munguias good but has loads to prove.

jamamb wrote: ↑20 Jul 2018, 00:12 wtf are you talking about

i havent even read your posts except the ones you addressed to me, stop thinking people care about your opinion that much, kid

face it , facts are sadam ali couldnt even hang with jessie vargas. dude got beaten up and knocked out. yet vargas couldnt put a dent in broner or stop anyone else half decent he faced. munguias good but has loads to prove.

Okay, that's nice, kid-o. Afraid to come out looking dumb again, I see. Didn't read after your first sentence.

whatever you say bruh

'there's only one sadam ali, he got trashed by jessie vargy!'

Wtf is this, an alternate dimension? That sasquatch beating up little Ali somehow became a huge statement? Wow I've heard some bullshit in my day but gotta stand back in awe of that one..

Cotto was admittedly done, retirement was on his mind and mouth well before he tried to go out with a safer option in Ali. He busts his arm, and gets outhustled barely by a guy who was extremely fortunate just to be there. Beating that Cotto, a compromised one foot out the door Cotto, is not the win some want to believe it was. It was a gutsy performance and win by a decent fighter, but the name recognition is clouding the validity there. It wasn't a shock in the least when Ali got destroyed by a prime Jr. Middleweight, seeing as how he's a 147lb fighter and already found a way to get destroyed down there. By a purse puncher no less.. so in closing, no that is not some statement win a title changed hands that's the only notable element. And Munguia looks the goods, he's solid. Can't know for sure til the tough challenges come. Ali sure as fornicate isn't it.