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Think about it:

Gold medalist at Heavyweight (Technically the cruiserweight division in amateur boxing)

Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion
WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO and Ring Magazine/Lineal Champion

Undefeated at Cruiserweight (dominated practically every fight (apart from Briedis))

All done in 15 fights.

In my opinion this is basically the best cruiserweight resume of all time.

He is a HFer for sure. I even don't know now, who is better, him or Holyfield. Usyk had a tougher overall opposition, but Holyfield had the best fighter among their cumulated opposition, it's Qawi and it was 2-0. Holyfield was also a finisher, which kinda made his resume more impressive in some sense. And in the hypothetical matchup I'd still probably favour Holyfield, cause, I believe, he would have been able to make fight his fight contrary to Usyk's opponents. Usyk is an excellent text-book boxer, while Holyfield was both a brawler and an extremely skilled fighter, a unique example of combining that.

RandomUsername wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 19:47 Promising but not a hfer in my opinion.

Usyk already has MUCH better resume than Gatti.

It's a sick resume. Not sure anyone in recent times has accomplished more within 15 pro fights. So, I'd say yes.

I don't think so. I think he at least would have to win a rematch against Briedis.

Rematch the guy he clearly already beat?

Blodhemn wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 20:43 Rematch the guy he clearly already beat?

It was close on the scorecards. There have been a few definite No. 1's in the history of the cruiserweight division who have not and probably never will be inducted, so I think he doesn't have a good enough resume right now. Would David Haye be inducted just based on him being unified cruiserweight champion?

Haye's CW resume is weak. Enzo Mac his second best opponent? Not really close. But yeah, I get the point, the CW division is always overlooked. It's going to be interesting seeing how Usyk does at HW. I imagine, pretty well.

Blodhemn wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 21:02 Haye's CW resume is weak. Enzo Mac his second best opponent? Not really close. But yeah, I get the point, the CW division is always overlooked. It's going to be interesting seeing how Usyk does at HW. I imagine, pretty well.

He can be top 10, but I don't know if he can be a heavyweight champ. I think him and Tony Bellew would be a good matchup.

I'm not sure that someone with 6 world title wins, 0 future hall of fame / p4p top 10 opponents, and 0 $15+ million paychecks can make it into the hall of fame.

The hall of fame usually inducts most undisputed champions. But I think they would make an exception for Usyk if he were to retire right now. I think you will find them making many other exceptions like Jermain Taylor, O' Neil Bell, Zab Judah, Cory Spinks, and Koichi Wajima as well. Becoming undisputed champion often correlates with an exceptional career, but in cases where it doesn't, you're going to find that the hall of fame prefers exceptional careers over undisputed champions.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 20:08

RandomUsername wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 19:47 Promising but not a hfer in my opinion.

Usyk already has MUCH better resume than Gatti.

Arturo Gatti wasn't inducted into the HoF because of his resume. He was an exciting fan favorite who participated in 4 Fight of the Years. I believe that makes him the first 4+ Fight of the Year recipient since 1978. His resume isn't the litmus test for how good a resume needs to be to make it into the hall of fame. He got in through a different avenue, and to my knowledge, I don't think there has ever been a 4+ Fight of the Year recipient who didn't make the hall of fame.

For 15 fights it's impressive.
Holyfield's legacy is bolstered by his achievements at HW and also his longevity. But if you only focus on CW, the WBSS has given him the edge over Evander if only CW is taken into consideration. I wish Uysk would step up to HW, in the current division only the top two would give him any trouble.

RScarf1 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 20:53

Blodhemn wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 20:43 Rematch the guy he clearly already beat?

It was close on the scorecards. There have been a few definite No. 1's in the history of the cruiserweight division who have not and probably never will be inducted, so I think he doesn't have a good enough resume right now. Would David Haye be inducted just based on him being unified cruiserweight champion?

ridiculous, he already beat briedis in briedis back yard, the vast majority of ppl had usyk winning

Got to do a full on review of this fight.
Best he would do at Heavyweight would be 220 lbs max, he'd be blown up, looks like he already is.

Usyk power how do you rate it ?

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 22:47

RScarf1 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 20:53

Blodhemn wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 20:43 Rematch the guy he clearly already beat?

It was close on the scorecards. There have been a few definite No. 1's in the history of the cruiserweight division who have not and probably never will be inducted, so I think he doesn't have a good enough resume right now. Would David Haye be inducted just based on him being unified cruiserweight champion?

ridiculous, he already beat briedis in briedis back yard, the vast majority of ppl had usyk winning

The vast majority had GGG beating Jacobs and Canelo. I don't want to hear crap from your mouth about this.

usyk beat briedies more clearly then ggg did jacobs (where a lot more ppl had jacobs winning then briedis) and besides, im not advocating that ggg needs to rematch jacobs and beat him again to enhance his legacy. i dont think it would really. most ppl probably will just look at the result on paper years from now that he did beat jacobs.

very rarely do i feel beating the same guy again in a second fight adds much to a legacy when youve already got the win. briedis vs usyk was compitive but not really controversial at all, and usyk did it in an environment extremely favoring his opponent.

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 23:53 usyk beat briedies more clearly then ggg did jacobs (where a lot more ppl had jacobs winning then briedis) and besides, im not advocating that ggg needs to rematch jacobs and beat him again to enhance his legacy. i dont think it would really. most ppl probably will just look at the result on paper years from now that he did beat jacobs.

very rarely do i feel beating the same guy again in a second fight adds much to a legacy when youve already got the win. briedis vs usyk was compitive but not really controversial at all, and usyk did it in an environment extremely favoring his opponent.

No he didn't. As I said, stop commenting. You're clearly a bias troll.

he certainly did kid

jamamb wrote: ↑22 Jul 2018, 00:04 he certainly did kid

Keep showing your bias. I'm just dragging your name through the dirt on this forum.

you love my name, you cant get enough of it

Evander wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 23:00 Got to do a full on review of this fight.
Best he would do at Heavyweight would be 220 lbs max, he'd be blown up, looks like he already is.

He drops weight to make CW, like most dudes. He's a HW fighting at CW. Not draining at all will do a lot for him too like other ATGs.

hes already blown up? seriously? dont see it at all, he was even fighting at super hw in the wsb years ago. a blown up cw is a guy who should prob be looking down to lhw, thats certainly not usyk. at 6'3 hes solidly built

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 20:08

RandomUsername wrote: ↑21 Jul 2018, 19:47 Promising but not a hfer in my opinion.

Usyk already has MUCH better resume than Gatti.

The word "greatness", in the context of being a Hall-of-Famer, is more about the historical contribution to the sport, rather than being measured on resume.

If Usyk retired today, more people would continue watching Gatti's bouts than the Ukraine's.

Donald Curry is not a Hall-of-Famer, but Sylvester Stallone is.

IMO yes:
- Glowacki, Hunter, Briedis and Gassiev was undefeated
- since 2016, hea beat all fighters in their homes
- Unified all belts
- 2 olympic golds also counts

Has Oleksandr Usyk accomplished greater things or made a bigger contribution to the sport of boxing than the following list of fighters?

• Chris Eubank Sr.
• Darius Michalczewski
• Donald Curry
• Fernando Vargas
• Genaro Hernandez
• Gianfranco Rosi
• Gilberto Roman
• Henry Maske
• Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon
• James "Buddy" McGirt
• Julian Jackson
• Leo Gamez
• Meldrick Taylor
• Michael Moorer
• Miguel "Happy" Lora
• Nigel Benn
• Orzubek "Gussie" Nazarov
• Paulie Ayala
• Ratanapol Sor Vorapin
• Ricky Hatton
• Rocky Lockridge
• Samuel Serrano
• Santos Laciar
• Sot Chitalada
• Sung-Kil Moon
• Sven Ottke
• Vinny Pazienza
• Wilfredo Vazquez Sr.
• Yuri Arbachakov

If the answer is "NO" to any of these guys I've listed, then the Ukraine cruiserweight almost certainly isn't Hall-of-Fame worthy just yet.