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There are so many discussions (recently, here on this forum) about the making new weight divisions (SCW or SHW/ or both of them) for the big fighters. What do you think about this problem ? Which solution would be the most proper, for the boxers, and for the boxing fans, too ?

Really neither. Let's say this currently exists. Wilder is a Super Cruiserweight able to stop Super Heavyweights. Then let's say you have a Super Heavyweight limit of 240. Just about everyone below 275 will be able to make 240. Look at UFC with a HW limit of 265. Brock Lesnar who is around 285, makes 265 to fight.

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 14:12There are so many discussions (recently, here on this forum) about the making new weight divisions (SCW or SHW/ or both of them) for the big fighters.

I think we need to keep creating a new thread every single week to discuss this topic!

So I'm glad you've created another one.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 14:56

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 14:12There are so many discussions (recently, here on this forum) about the making new weight divisions (SCW or SHW/ or both of them) for the big fighters.

I think we need to keep creating a new thread every single week to discuss this topic!

So I'm glad you've created another one.

As I know, the opinions are extremely divided, and this is likely the most important problem for the boxing future.

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 15:07

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 14:56

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 14:12There are so many discussions (recently, here on this forum) about the making new weight divisions (SCW or SHW/ or both of them) for the big fighters.

I think we need to keep creating a new thread every single week to discuss this topic!

So I'm glad you've created another one.

As I know, the opinions are extremely divided, and this is likely the most important problem for the boxing future.

You're absolutely right and I agree with you on this, but I'm not sure if we really need dozens of threads discussing the same matter.

That being said, it's abundantly clear that my opinion is "wrong", because last week we also had dozens of threads discussing Usyk's potential in the heavyweight ranks and also his all-time-greatness in the cruiserweight division.

So on this rare occasion, I'll admit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 15:38

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 15:07

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 14:56
I think we need to keep creating a new thread every single week to discuss this topic!

So I'm glad you've created another one.

As I know, the opinions are extremely divided, and this is likely the most important problem for the boxing future.

You're absolutely right and I agree with you on this, but I'm not sure if we really need dozens of threads discussing the same matter.

That being said, it's abundantly clear that my opinion is "wrong", because last week we also had dozens of threads discussing Usyk's potential in the heavyweight ranks and also his all-time-greatness in the cruiserweight division.

So on this rare occasion, I'll admit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Usyk is an exception, I am convinced he will be very successful at HW, but what about the other fighters with similar
size/weight ? Gassiev ? Dorticos ? Briedis ? etc...etc....
Is Wilder (about 220) an exception (nowadays), too ?
I don't think that your opinion is wrong (as you wrote), and I am not sure which solution is the best, so, I did not vote.

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 15:51

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 15:38

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 15:07

As I know, the opinions are extremely divided, and this is likely the most important problem for the boxing future.

You're absolutely right and I agree with you on this, but I'm not sure if we really need dozens of threads discussing the same matter.

That being said, it's abundantly clear that my opinion is "wrong", because last week we also had dozens of threads discussing Usyk's potential in the heavyweight ranks and also his all-time-greatness in the cruiserweight division.

So on this rare occasion, I'll admit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Usyk is an exception, I am convinced he will be very successful at HW, but what about the other fighters with similar
size/weight ? Gassiev ? Dorticos ? Briedis ? etc...etc....
Is Wilder (about 220) an exception (nowadays), too ?
I don't think that your opinion is wrong (as you wrote), and I am not sure which solution is the best, so, I did not vote.

I feel that a new weight class between heavyweight and cruiserweight needs to be introduced.

In terms of me being "wrong"... I'm referring to my comments relating to the need from forum users insisting on creating dozens of threads discussing precisely the same topic, such as the topic of this thread and last week's threads about Usyk.

I'm only "wrong", because my opinion on this matter is overwhelmingly outnumbered.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 16:21

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 15:51

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 15:38
You're absolutely right and I agree with you on this, but I'm not sure if we really need dozens of threads discussing the same matter.

That being said, it's abundantly clear that my opinion is "wrong", because last week we also had dozens of threads discussing Usyk's potential in the heavyweight ranks and also his all-time-greatness in the cruiserweight division.

So on this rare occasion, I'll admit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Usyk is an exception, I am convinced he will be very successful at HW, but what about the other fighters with similar
size/weight ? Gassiev ? Dorticos ? Briedis ? etc...etc....
Is Wilder (about 220) an exception (nowadays), too ?
I don't think that your opinion is wrong (as you wrote), and I am not sure which solution is the best, so, I did not vote.

I feel that a new weight class between heavyweight and cruiserweight needs to be introduced.

In terms of me being "wrong"... I'm referring to my comments relating to the need from forum users insisting on creating dozens of threads discussing precisely the same topic, such as the topic of this thread and last week's threads about Usyk.

I'm only "wrong", because my opinion on this matter is overwhelmingly outnumbered.

The limit for the new weight division ? 215 ? 220 ?

Man i dont think HW need changes in this way.
1.) if you are 100 kilos (220 lbs) that is pretty decent weight for HW. If you have less, then you can cut to cruiserweight if you think your oponent will have too much size and weight advantage.
2.) im pretty sure about 50% of heavies are overweight, in 240 lbs + weightclass you will have 30% really big guys and 70% overweight and fat guys
3.) HW division is pretty weak imo so separate it to 2 divisions would not be very wise

but that is only my opinion, so who knows

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 16:28

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 16:21

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 15:51

Usyk is an exception, I am convinced he will be very successful at HW, but what about the other fighters with similar
size/weight ? Gassiev ? Dorticos ? Briedis ? etc...etc....
Is Wilder (about 220) an exception (nowadays), too ?
I don't think that your opinion is wrong (as you wrote), and I am not sure which solution is the best, so, I did not vote.

I feel that a new weight class between heavyweight and cruiserweight needs to be introduced.

In terms of me being "wrong"... I'm referring to my comments relating to the need from forum users insisting on creating dozens of threads discussing precisely the same topic, such as the topic of this thread and last week's threads about Usyk.

I'm only "wrong", because my opinion on this matter is overwhelmingly outnumbered.

The limit for the new weight division ? 215 ? 220 ?

I'd be OK with either, but my preference would be 220lbs.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 16:49

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 16:28

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 16:21
I feel that a new weight class between heavyweight and cruiserweight needs to be introduced.

In terms of me being "wrong"... I'm referring to my comments relating to the need from forum users insisting on creating dozens of threads discussing precisely the same topic, such as the topic of this thread and last week's threads about Usyk.

I'm only "wrong", because my opinion on this matter is overwhelmingly outnumbered.

The limit for the new weight division ? 215 ? 220 ?

I'd be OK with either, but my preference would be 220lbs.

In this case, it would be pretty hot competition : Usyk, Wilder, Briedis, Dorticos, Povetkin.....

We've discussed this a zillion times, so the most productive thing to do is probably just read the old threads, or even bookmark all threads on this subject as you see them, so you have like an index of 50 of them.

Anyways, I think the jump from LHW to CW is too big. Therefore, if they made the CW limit 195, and then made the HW limit 215, and had the unlimited SHW division; I think it would be reasonable. This allows for smoother jumps from LHW to CW to HW to SHW.

I should point out, when designing these divisions, don't forget that fighters can still drain. A 220-pound fighter can boil down to 210. A 230-pound fighter can boil down to 220.

LuisFernando2 thinks there should be height divisions, and that's just not going to work. You can't prevent fighters from slouching, bending over, etc. when measuring their height.

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 17:02

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 16:49

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 16:28

The limit for the new weight division ? 215 ? 220 ?

I'd be OK with either, but my preference would be 220lbs.

In this case, it would be pretty hot competition : Usyk, Wilder, Briedis, Dorticos, Povetkin.....

And Wilder BTW, Ortiz at 240 could drain to 220. So could Klitschko which is why this is flawed. Most heavyweights who are below 250 can make 220. Remember that the weights heavyweights currently weigh in at are likely their fight night weights.

No more divisions needed.

Especially a division created because of about 4 fighters.

yes its fine the way it is. any man 220lbs who hits hard can ko anyone. at that level you only care about who is the best man, period, and there's more money in heavy, so all will gravitate towards the big one.