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Posted: **19 Aug 2018, 07:03**

... (he seems to be nuts) ...

Posted: **19 Aug 2018, 07:22**

its iron frost/keith, the answer to asdkfl/astrodamus

Posted: **19 Aug 2018, 11:47**

RandomUsername wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:38 If he "does" it or even fights Fury and loses then all the respect in the world to him. This however still seems like a ploy to me to setup Wilder vs Joshua leaving Fury outside in the cold. Wilder establishes himself as great fighter if he fights Fury and a legend if he wins.

Beating Fury don't make you a Legend.

If he beats Fury AND Joshua then he'd certainly have a strong case of being the best Heavyweight Champion so far of the 21st century. Even though Wlad made more title defenses he wouldn't have any two wins on his resume that are THAT strong.

Still a very tall order though for Wilder to achieve this.

Posted: **19 Aug 2018, 11:54**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:47
RandomUsername wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:38 If he "does" it or even fights Fury and loses then all the respect in the world to him. This however still seems like a ploy to me to setup Wilder vs Joshua leaving Fury outside in the cold. Wilder establishes himself as great fighter if he fights Fury and a legend if he wins.
Beating Fury don't make you a Legend.

If he beats Fury AND Joshua then he'd certainly have a strong case of being the best Heavyweight Champion so far of the 21st century. Even though Wlad made more title defenses he wouldn't have any two wins on his resume that are THAT strong.

Still a very tall order though for Wilder to achieve this.

Everyone of Fury-Joshua-Wilder trio will become the best HW of the 21st century, if he beats the other two. However, Lewis was also competing in the early 00s, so probably it's a tourney for #2.

Posted: **19 Aug 2018, 11:56**

DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:54
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:47
RandomUsername wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:38 If he "does" it or even fights Fury and loses then all the respect in the world to him. This however still seems like a ploy to me to setup Wilder vs Joshua leaving Fury outside in the cold. Wilder establishes himself as great fighter if he fights Fury and a legend if he wins.
Beating Fury don't make you a Legend.

If he beats Fury AND Joshua then he'd certainly have a strong case of being the best Heavyweight Champion so far of the 21st century. Even though Wlad made more title defenses he wouldn't have any two wins on his resume that are THAT strong.

Still a very tall order though for Wilder to achieve this.
Everyone of Fury-Joshua-Wilder trio will become the best HW of the 21st century, if he beats the other two. However, Lewis was also competing in the early 00s, so probably it's a tourney for #2.

Yeah, but the bulk of Lennox's career was in the 90's. I'd consider him more like "The Last Great Champion of the 20th Century" even though he technically competed in the 21st century as well.

Some of his biggest wins were toward the end of his career too. Vitali and Tyson would certainly have to rank among his 5 or 10 biggest wins. Rahman 2 possibly as well due to the revenge factor.

Posted: **19 Aug 2018, 11:58**

I think you're right Jammy. HeSeemsToBeThick is Ironfrost. I don't recall the idiosyncracies in writing style but the incessant carpet bombing with non-stop repetitive threads, each more banal the last, is a dead give-away. You'd think he gets paid by the thread.

As is calling AJ a coward without even a hint of irony: A man that in his 22nd fight will have won 3 (or 4) championship belts, beaten 6 fighters who were previously unbeaten, beaten 6 top 10 then or now contenders, made 6 defences of his titles, won two unifications, and beaten one future hall of famer.

I think it's absurd to call any man who gets hit for a living a coward, but if you want to compare how ready the two champions are to take on a formidable challenge, ignore the rhetoric (that's big talk to you HSTBT) and look at the resume. The record does not lie.

Posted: **19 Aug 2018, 14:12**

And yet, record is just a small piece of the pie isn't it.. if the only other two top heavyweights are openly shaming this guy, and the whole boxing world is slowly turning that way, maybe it's time to consider there is something to it. Blind denial can only last so long. AJ is simply not as confident of victory over Wilder as they say or y'all believe. Thank goodness for Fury.

Wilder gets endless hate for his resume, yet the truth is he's tried to fight AJ, Povetkin, Ortiz he gave 2 chances to, because he believes he is the best. Fury is the one giving him a chance. I bet DW takes advantage of it. He might be down 6 rounds he can still land that bomb and win. The bomb AJ don't wanna know bout.

Posted: **19 Aug 2018, 18:37**

Deontay Wilder opens a very very slim -125 favorite over Tyson Fury.

Sounds like plenty money to be made if you can get Wilder at nearly even money.

That's assuming the fight actually takes place.

Posted: **19 Aug 2018, 19:31**

SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 18:37 Deontay Wilder opens a very very slim -125 favorite over Tyson Fury.

Sounds like plenty money to be made if you can get Wilder at nearly even money.

That's assuming the fight actually takes place.

i agree id be all over that for wilder

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 03:19**

SFW wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 14:12 And yet, record is just a small piece of the pie isn't it.. if the only other two top heavyweights are openly shaming this guy, and the whole boxing world is slowly turning that way, maybe it's time to consider there is something to it. Blind denial can only last so long. AJ is simply not as confident of victory over Wilder as they say or y'all believe. Thank goodness for Fury.

Wilder gets endless hate for his resume, yet the truth is he's tried to fight AJ, Povetkin, Ortiz he gave 2 chances to, because he believes he is the best. Fury is the one giving him a chance. I bet DW takes advantage of it. He might be down 6 rounds he can still land that bomb and win. The bomb AJ don't wanna know bout.

No, the record shows just who is prepared to take on tough competion and who is not. I don't really want to open up a subject which has been done to death, but I don't believe Wilder ever intended to go to Russia. He was in the UK and on a plane home out of Sheffield almost before anyone knew of Povetkin's failed drug-test for a previously legal substance which VADA/WBC later admitted they couldn't be sure Povetkin took after the date the substance - Meldonium - was banned.

He then fought a succession of cab-drivers until eventually the clamour became so great for him to face someone who was a serious player. Who fit the bill? Luis Ortiz. A man who was officially 38 years old and unofficially up to ten years older.
A man who it transpires was/is on heart medication. He was still a legitimate contender though, and almost beat Wilder. I'm convinced a younger version would have done.

He has repeatedly turned down offers several times his best ever payday to fight Dillian Whyte, who I believe he is well capable of beating. Wilder doesn't share my confidence, why else would he not take the 8 million dollars on offer???
8 milliion! That's double what he would have made had he gone through with the Povetkin fight and probably nearer three times his best purse to date.

There is currently an offer on the table for him to face Anthony Joshua in London for 15m, pounds I think it was. All he needs to do is sign the contract.

Instead he's looking again at the path of least resistance, and he sees good old Tyson Fury and just like Tony Bellew he wants to fight him this year while he is still relatively easy pickings, and yet people give him credit for this. I keep stating on here that Fury needs a couple of tough fights to prove he still belongs in the ring with Wilder but you know what? - I think if he got two wins over two fairly decent contenders showing he was the Fury of old, then Wilder wouldn't want to know about fighting him.

I don't expect you will agree with one word of this. That's ok. You will believe what you want to believe about who really wants the tough tests. Which brings us full circle - look at the resume.

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 07:44**

RandomUsername wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 19:16
DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:54 Everyone of Fury-Joshua-Wilder trio will become the best HW of the 21st century, if he beats the other two. However, Lewis was also competing in the early 00s, so probably it's a tourney for #2.
Problem is if Fury emerges victorious, yay size won like it always does, "he was bigger than his opponents", where is the greatness in that? Goliat stomped on David, such an accomplishment, so unexpected.

And then there is the question of how good these guys are AJ and Wilder... Wilder has had 4 fights in which he looked super vulnerable and AJ well he got knocked down by ageing and flawed WK and needed the referee to defeat paperchamp Parker, this coupled with not looking special against Carlos Takam kind of puts a big questionmark on him.

Way things will go down is Fury will beat these guys and nobody will care, he's just that much bigger than they are so it wont ever be a fair fight, HW championship fights will be very unpopular during the Fury era.

Fury is bigger, than both Joshua and Wilder, but this his advantage isn't significant against them, cause they all are gigantic behemoths. Joshua is of Klitschko's size, while Fury wasn't looking significantly bigger, than Klitschko. Fury's style was his key to the victory more, than his size. Actually Fury's size could have been a drawback for him in the sense, that Fury's style deals with movement, mobility and etc. Sometimes he was overpowering much smaller opponents, but that's not a good tactics against AJ for example, who is athletic and strong.

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 08:36**

Candyslim

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 08:43**

Klitschko was a fine champion but he was totally manufactured - by Emmanuel Steward. He taught him how to used his superior height to sway back out of range of the much smaller guys he was facing, to wrap them up in close and use his weight to bully them and wear them down.

Using that height advantage he could set himself to throw a one two including a powerful straight right or right cross. Ask AJ.

The problem arose when confronted with Fury who was taller and probably stronger, which meant that Wlad was unable to sway back out of range or use his physical advantages. What was worse is that Fury was an extremely mobile opponent and Wlad who likes to set himself to throw hard punches, was unable to do that because the bugger wouldn't keep still. You can't swat a fly in flight you need it to settle. That's why Wlad wasn't throwing like we expected.

Fury's victory over Wlad was no fluke and I don't believe he would have had the slightest difficulty in beating him again had he been 'fit' to face him in their rematch.

Fury doesn't have the greatest of chins though, so if his reflexes are not at their best and his stamina levels not all they might be, then Fury is in desperate straits against Wilder. The only hope in such a case is that by coming down off his toes as he tires, might mean he can set himself and throw harder shots, but Wilder survived all Ortiz could throw at him so I'm not very hopeful a knackered Fury is likely to do any better.

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 08:47**

Thanks JV I don't know what to say.

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 08:56**

Thanks JV I don't know what to say.

You said it all eloquently. Things getting twisted as time goes on. Not really a fan of either fighters or any fighters for that matter I just like watching fights.

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 08:58**

well said.

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 09:57**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:47
RandomUsername wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:38 If he "does" it or even fights Fury and loses then all the respect in the world to him. This however still seems like a ploy to me to setup Wilder vs Joshua leaving Fury outside in the cold. Wilder establishes himself as great fighter if he fights Fury and a legend if he wins.
Beating Fury don't make you a Legend.

If he beats Fury AND Joshua then he'd certainly have a strong case of being the best Heavyweight Champion so far of the 21st century. Even though Wlad made more title defenses he wouldn't have any two wins on his resume that are THAT strong.

Still a very tall order though for Wilder to achieve this.

Funniest thing I've heard today. Beating Tyson Fury makes you a legend. Fury isn't a legend himself yet.

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 11:38**

Wilder and Fury are currently facing off in a ‘gloves are off’ type thing not sure when you can watch it if that’s your thing but it will be shown on BT.

Posted: **20 Aug 2018, 12:10**

If Wilder can land the big right cross regularly then he has a good chance of winning. If not then Fury will box his head off.

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 03:28**

Wilder might not need to land the right hand regularly, once might be quite enough. He hits a damn sight harder than Steve Cunningham who tagged Tyson with an overhand right, and put him down hard. Imagine a not quite sharp enough Fury being caught by the kind of "javelin shot" that Wilder destroyed Kelvin Price with.

Fury may well box Wilder's head off, as did Gerald Washington, Luis Ortiz, even the small and pretty average Artur Szpilka managed that. Guess what the last three have in common?

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 08:07**

afksif or whatever you're called, this is what? Your 5th account made in a week

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 08:54**

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 08:07 afksif or whatever you're called, this is what? Your 5th account made in a week

this guys a different troll, like the opposite of asdfkl , unless there opposing creations of the same person

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 09:11**

jamamb wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 07:22 its iron frost/keith, the answer to asdkfl/astrodamus

Me?

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 09:29**

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Aug 2018, 03:19
SFW wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 14:12 And yet, record is just a small piece of the pie isn't it.. if the only other two top heavyweights are openly shaming this guy, and the whole boxing world is slowly turning that way, maybe it's time to consider there is something to it. Blind denial can only last so long. AJ is simply not as confident of victory over Wilder as they say or y'all believe. Thank goodness for Fury.

Wilder gets endless hate for his resume, yet the truth is he's tried to fight AJ, Povetkin, Ortiz he gave 2 chances to, because he believes he is the best. Fury is the one giving him a chance. I bet DW takes advantage of it. He might be down 6 rounds he can still land that bomb and win. The bomb AJ don't wanna know bout.
No, the record shows just who is prepared to take on tough competion and who is not. I don't really want to open up a subject which has been done to death, but I don't believe Wilder ever intended to go to Russia. He was in the UK and on a plane home out of Sheffield almost before anyone knew of Povetkin's failed drug-test for a previously legal substance which VADA/WBC later admitted they couldn't be sure Povetkin took after the date the substance - Meldonium - was banned.

He then fought a succession of cab-drivers until eventually the clamour became so great for him to face someone who was a serious player. Who fit the bill? Luis Ortiz. A man who was officially 38 years old and unofficially up to ten years older.
A man who it transpires was/is on heart medication. He was still a legitimate contender though, and almost beat Wilder. I'm convinced a younger version would have done.

He has repeatedly turned down offers several times his best ever payday to fight Dillian Whyte, who I believe he is well capable of beating. Wilder doesn't share my confidence, why else would he not take the 8 million dollars on offer???
8 milliion! That's double what he would have made had he gone through with the Povetkin fight and probably nearer three times his best purse to date.

There is currently an offer on the table for him to face Anthony Joshua in London for 15m, pounds I think it was. All he needs to do is sign the contract.

Instead he's looking again at the path of least resistance, and he sees good old Tyson Fury and just like Tony Bellew he wants to fight him this year while he is still relatively easy pickings, and yet people give him credit for this. I keep stating on here that Fury needs a couple of tough fights to prove he still belongs in the ring with Wilder but you know what? - I think if he got two wins over two fairly decent contenders showing he was the Fury of old, then Wilder wouldn't want to know about fighting him.

I don't expect you will agree with one word of this. That's ok. You will believe what you want to believe about who really wants the tough tests. Which brings us full circle - look at the resume.

Your belief about Wilder going to Russia is meaningless drivel, simply meaningless, as is your hilarious idea about what % he should get.. What planet you live on? And Fury "the path of least resistance" that had no trouble at all beating Klitschko, so whats that make AJ lol who barely survived? Dillian Whyte you chump's favorite blob to pull outta your ass, never consider what future commitment/ACTUAL TERMS slick Eddie wants with any offer. Its clear when everyone Eddie works with (Pulev and Wilder recently) are outraged how shitty dealing with him actually is, you fanboys just don't get it. Btw, Ortiz was signed by Hearn to keep him away from AJ. Ortiz would beat the fornicating shit out of Whyte, and embarrass AJ worse than the ACTUAL OLD MAN Klitschko did. Talking about age lol, gtfoh.. No, no I don't suppose I would agree with that slanted bullshit you wanks regurgitate weekly. Keep clinging to that illusion I guess.

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 12:15**

SFW wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 09:29
candyslim wrote: ↑20 Aug 2018, 03:19
SFW wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 14:12 And yet, record is just a small piece of the pie isn't it.. if the only other two top heavyweights are openly shaming this guy, and the whole boxing world is slowly turning that way, maybe it's time to consider there is something to it. Blind denial can only last so long. AJ is simply not as confident of victory over Wilder as they say or y'all believe. Thank goodness for Fury.

Wilder gets endless hate for his resume, yet the truth is he's tried to fight AJ, Povetkin, Ortiz he gave 2 chances to, because he believes he is the best. Fury is the one giving him a chance. I bet DW takes advantage of it. He might be down 6 rounds he can still land that bomb and win. The bomb AJ don't wanna know bout.
No, the record shows just who is prepared to take on tough competion and who is not. I don't really want to open up a subject which has been done to death, but I don't believe Wilder ever intended to go to Russia. He was in the UK and on a plane home out of Sheffield almost before anyone knew of Povetkin's failed drug-test for a previously legal substance which VADA/WBC later admitted they couldn't be sure Povetkin took after the date the substance - Meldonium - was banned.

He then fought a succession of cab-drivers until eventually the clamour became so great for him to face someone who was a serious player. Who fit the bill? Luis Ortiz. A man who was officially 38 years old and unofficially up to ten years older.
A man who it transpires was/is on heart medication. He was still a legitimate contender though, and almost beat Wilder. I'm convinced a younger version would have done.

He has repeatedly turned down offers several times his best ever payday to fight Dillian Whyte, who I believe he is well capable of beating. Wilder doesn't share my confidence, why else would he not take the 8 million dollars on offer???
8 milliion! That's double what he would have made had he gone through with the Povetkin fight and probably nearer three times his best purse to date.

There is currently an offer on the table for him to face Anthony Joshua in London for 15m, pounds I think it was. All he needs to do is sign the contract.

Instead he's looking again at the path of least resistance, and he sees good old Tyson Fury and just like Tony Bellew he wants to fight him this year while he is still relatively easy pickings, and yet people give him credit for this. I keep stating on here that Fury needs a couple of tough fights to prove he still belongs in the ring with Wilder but you know what? - I think if he got two wins over two fairly decent contenders showing he was the Fury of old, then Wilder wouldn't want to know about fighting him.

I don't expect you will agree with one word of this. That's ok. You will believe what you want to believe about who really wants the tough tests. Which brings us full circle - look at the resume.
Your belief about Wilder going to Russia is meaningless drivel, simply meaningless, as is your hilarious idea about what % he should get.. What planet you live on? And Fury "the path of least resistance" that had no trouble at all beating Klitschko, so whats that make AJ lol who barely survived? Dillian Whyte you chump's favorite blob to pull outta your ass, never consider what future commitment/ACTUAL TERMS slick Eddie wants with any offer. Its clear when everyone Eddie works with (Pulev and Wilder recently) are outraged how shitty dealing with him actually is, you fanboys just don't get it. Btw, Ortiz was signed by Hearn to keep him away from AJ. Ortiz would beat the effing poo out of Whyte, and embarrass AJ worse than the ACTUAL OLD MAN Klitschko did. Talking about age lol, gtfoh.. No, no I don't suppose I would agree with that slanted bullshit you wanks regurgitate weekly. Keep clinging to that illusion I guess.

None of this makes any logical sense. Fury has been out the ring 3 years and doesn't have a punch whereas AJ is fit and strong and can easily knock Wilder out. Silly arguement

The Pulev argument is dead in the water too. Why would Whyte fight in Bulgaria for 25% purse and no guaranteed mandatory shot when Hearn controls 3 of the belts and can give him a voluntary at any time? Fvck that, I wouldn't have worked with Pulev too

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