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Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 20:25
by Ruthless-RKO
According to NSAC..
Undercard looks solid now:
• Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook (WBO 154 lbs title)
• David Lemieux vs. Spike O'Sullivan
• Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez vs. Moises Fuentes
• Cecilia Braekhus vs. Aleksandra Lopes (Undisputed welterweight title)
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 20:28
by gilgamesh
I love how busy Munguia is staying.
Lemieux vs Spike should be a barnburner while it lasts.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 20:30
by Ruthless-RKO
So Cook went from nearly fighting Brook, straight to a world title shot at a huge PPV in Vegas..
I remember Cook saying he would have still liked to have been on the Whyte-Parker card or possibly fight Brook later in the year. But I guess an opportunity calls and you gotta take it..
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 20:37
by Ruthless-RKO
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 20:28
I love how busy Munguia is staying.
Lemieux vs Spike should be a barnburner while it lasts.
Munguia was a nobody at the start of 2018. Lucky he got his name mentioned as a Canelo replacement against GGG. He must kinda be relieved that the NSAC declined to sanction that fight. He may not be unbeaten today if it wasn’t for them.
Then, Liam Smith gets injured, Munguia replaces him and dethrones Sadam Ali. Another good win going the distance againsy Smith and now he’s fighting Cook.
Breakout year? Possibly.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 21:42
by gilgamesh
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 20:37
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 20:28
I love how busy Munguia is staying.
Lemieux vs Spike should be a barnburner while it lasts.
Munguia was a nobody at the start of 2018. Lucky he got his name mentioned as a Canelo replacement against GGG. He must kinda be relieved that the NSAC declined to sanction that fight. He may not be unbeaten today if it wasn’t for them.
Then, Liam Smith gets injured, Munguia replaces him and dethrones Sadam Ali. Another good win going the distance againsy Smith and now he’s fighting Cook.
Breakout year? Possibly.
Oh big time. It's already been a breakout year for him. His last 2 fights have been more meaningful than all of the rest combined.
Getting turned down for the GGG fight was definitely fortune smiling upon him too, and yeah without the mention of him as a replacement, and all the attention it put on him while his name was being thrown around it might not have resulted in him getting the Ali fight like you say.
Everything has worked out perfectly for him so far this year.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 21:45
by jamamb
obviously munguia by ko, cook is a nobody at this level, got already totally battered by that kanat islam guy
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 08:46
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 09:56
by ElJefe
Wins a world title in May and will have defended it twice before the end of September.
Wish we had more active champions in the sport.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 10:22
by filibert
Cook is nowhere near that level. Early KO for sure.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 17:08
by KiwiRider
ElJefe wrote: ↑20 Aug 2018, 09:56
Wins a world title in May and will have defended it twice before the end of September.
Wish we had more active champions in the sport.
Oh yeah, totally mate. Active as can be, and he is still very young with a lot to learn. Imagine him at 27- peak speed/power/stamina all combined, and by then, at this rate, probably 40 fights into it
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 09:32
by jujigatame
Cook is a pretty awful opponent. This will be about as competitive as that Frampton fight from a few days ago. Hell, Sadam Ali would probably beat Cook handily.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 10:13
by Enlightened-One
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 20:28
Lemieux vs Spike should be a barnburner while it lasts.
I can’t help thinking that Gary "Spike" O'Sullivan will attempt to utilise the same blueprint that was employed by Gennady Golovkin and Billy Joe Saunders, to varying degrees, and beat Lemieux by persistently throwing a pumping jab with patient precision. Even GGG occasionally took a step back when the Canadian threw a flurry of shots.
O'Sullivan is likely to resist the temptation to engage in a two-way battle against Lemieux, by keeping the fight at long range instead.
The winner of this bout is likely to face Canelo next, as all three men are with GBP, which means there’s too much money at stake for O'Sullivan to do something silly, like engage in trench warfare against a big punching crude slugger like Lemieux.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 12:55
by gilgamesh
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 10:13
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 20:28
Lemieux vs Spike should be a barnburner while it lasts.
I can’t help thinking that Gary "Spike" O'Sullivan will attempt to utilise the same blueprint that was employed by Gennady Golovkin and Billy Joe Saunders, to varying degrees, and beat Lemieux by persistently throwing a pumping jab with patient precision. Even GGG occasionally took a step back when the Canadian threw a flurry of shots.
O'Sullivan is likely to resist the temptation to engage in a two-way battle against Lemieux, by keeping the fight at long range instead.
The winner of this bout is likely to face Canelo next, as all three men are with GBP, which means there’s too much money at stake for O'Sullivan to do something silly, like engage in trench warfare against a big punching crude slugger like Lemieux.
He might try it, but I don't think that Sullivan is capable of utilizing that gameplan even half as effectively as GGG and Saunders did. He's really not that kinda fighter.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 16:26
by jamamb
bjs schooled spike just as much as he did lem, spike might try that approach but tbh he seems a limited slugger himself and not sure how effective it would be
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 16:34
by Counter-puncher
jamamb wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 16:26
bjs schooled spike just as much as he did lem, spike might try that approach but tbh he seems a limited slugger himself and not sure how effective it would be
Never seen anything from Sullivan to suggest he's got much jab and move in him.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 16:41
by Enlightened-One
gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 12:55
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 10:13
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 20:28
Lemieux vs Spike should be a barnburner while it lasts.
I can’t help thinking that Gary "Spike" O'Sullivan will attempt to utilise the same blueprint that was employed by Gennady Golovkin and Billy Joe Saunders, to varying degrees, and beat Lemieux by persistently throwing a pumping jab with patient precision. Even GGG occasionally took a step back when the Canadian threw a flurry of shots.
O'Sullivan is likely to resist the temptation to engage in a two-way battle against Lemieux, by keeping the fight at long range instead.
The winner of this bout is likely to face Canelo next, as all three men are with GBP, which means there’s too much money at stake for O'Sullivan to do something silly, like engage in trench warfare against a big punching crude slugger like Lemieux.
He might try it, but I don't think that Sullivan is capable of utilizing that gameplan even half as effectively as GGG and Saunders did. He's really not that kinda fighter.
You're right. Spike likes to plant his feet, but despite his apparent lack of lateral movement, his boxing technique is far more fundamentally sound than Lemieux's.
The Irishman is more capable of adapting than the Canadian is.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 16:53
by KiwiRider
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 16:41
gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 12:55
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 10:13
I can’t help thinking that Gary "Spike" O'Sullivan will attempt to utilise the same blueprint that was employed by Gennady Golovkin and Billy Joe Saunders, to varying degrees, and beat Lemieux by persistently throwing a pumping jab with patient precision. Even GGG occasionally took a step back when the Canadian threw a flurry of shots.
O'Sullivan is likely to resist the temptation to engage in a two-way battle against Lemieux, by keeping the fight at long range instead.
The winner of this bout is likely to face Canelo next, as all three men are with GBP, which means there’s too much money at stake for O'Sullivan to do something silly, like engage in trench warfare against a big punching crude slugger like Lemieux.
He might try it, but I don't think that Sullivan is capable of utilizing that gameplan even half as effectively as GGG and Saunders did. He's really not that kinda fighter.
You're right. Spike likes to plant his feet, but despite his apparent lack of lateral movement, his boxing technique is far more fundamentally sound than Lemieux's.
The Irishman is more capable of adapting than the Canadian is.
Until he gets caught- and dropped- that is
Spike does have a reasonable jab, he just doesn't use it as much as he should.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 18:16
by gilgamesh
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 16:41
gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 12:55
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 10:13
I can’t help thinking that Gary "Spike" O'Sullivan will attempt to utilise the same blueprint that was employed by Gennady Golovkin and Billy Joe Saunders, to varying degrees, and beat Lemieux by persistently throwing a pumping jab with patient precision. Even GGG occasionally took a step back when the Canadian threw a flurry of shots.
O'Sullivan is likely to resist the temptation to engage in a two-way battle against Lemieux, by keeping the fight at long range instead.
The winner of this bout is likely to face Canelo next, as all three men are with GBP, which means there’s too much money at stake for O'Sullivan to do something silly, like engage in trench warfare against a big punching crude slugger like Lemieux.
He might try it, but I don't think that Sullivan is capable of utilizing that gameplan even half as effectively as GGG and Saunders did. He's really not that kinda fighter.
You're right. Spike likes to plant his feet, but despite his apparent lack of lateral movement, his boxing technique is far more fundamentally sound than Lemieux's.
The Irishman is more capable of adapting than the Canadian is.
I don't doubt that at all. Lemieux has pretty much only one gameplan.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 20:45
by jamamb
anyone seen odds yet for lem vs spike? bookies hesitant or something?
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 22:26
by jujigatame
I wish boxing PPVs would have real co-main events. Any of these fights would be fine for the main event of some random Golden Boy card on FS1, but for PPV money I want a better value.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 02:46
by Ruthless-RKO
jujigatame wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 22:26
I wish boxing PPVs would have real co-main events. Any of these fights would be fine for the main event of some random Golden Boy card on FS1, but for PPV money I want a better value.
Usually for PPV, you’re paying to see that 1 fight.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 09:46
by jujigatame
I know which is why I rarely buy boxing PPVs any more. I'm done spending $70 on 1 fight. The last 3 I bought all had legit undercards:
- Golovkin vs. Jacobs (Chocolatito vs. Rungvisai)
- Canelo vs. Lara (Juanma vs. Vargas)
- Mayweather vs. Canelo (Garcia vs. Matthysse)
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 10:35
by SenorPipino
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 02:46
jujigatame wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 22:26
I wish boxing PPVs would have real co-main events. Any of these fights would be fine for the main event of some random Golden Boy card on FS1, but for PPV money I want a better value.
Usually for PPV, you’re paying to see that 1 fight.
That's exactly what Arum has said in the past.
Nobody cares about the undercard. Why invest money into it?
It's not quite reminiscent of some of the 1990s Don King undercard, but the Sept. 15 lineup is sure better than most of the club fight garbage we usually endure.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 22 Aug 2018, 19:59
by jujigatame
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 02:46
jujigatame wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 22:26
I wish boxing PPVs would have real co-main events. Any of these fights would be fine for the main event of some random Golden Boy card on FS1, but for PPV money I want a better value.
Usually for PPV, you’re paying to see that 1 fight.
I know, but that's why I buy so few. It's just not a good value. I tend to buy more UFC PPVs as they tend to have much deeper undercards.
Re: Jaime Munguia vs. Brandon Cook - September 15, 2018
Posted: 23 Aug 2018, 18:56
by SenorPipino
jamamb wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 20:45
anyone seen odds yet for lem vs spike? bookies hesitant or something?
Odds in the fight were posted this morning. The books must have heard you were curious.
Lemieux opens as a surprisingly solid (at least to me) -300 favorite. A winning bet on Spike returns +225.
Lemieux's lengthy experience at the world class level must be behind the strong odds in his favor.
But he wasn't all that impressive in his first fight back after the BJS debacle.
He could be on the slide.
I suppose the point can be made that an aggressive O'Sullivan may very well walk into Lemieux's power shots and get taken out..
But at 3-1, Spike isn't a bad risk.