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WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 21:10
by dickbelden

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 21:51
by Ilya Muromets
Boxing morphs into wrestling.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 21:57
by gilgamesh
x2x wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 21:51 Boxing morphs into wrestling.
Wrestling always knew how to talk up a match. Combat Sports could use a little more Theatrics from the Wrestling world to sell big fights. Ali knew that.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 22:12
by Ilya Muromets
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 21:57
x2x wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 21:51 Boxing morphs into wrestling.
Wrestling always knew how to talk up a match. Combat Sports could use a little more Theatrics from the Wrestling world to sell big fights. Ali knew that.
Ali based his boxing act on the wrestler Gorgeous George, who made wrestling so popular in the early days of television.

Perhaps i should stop getting upset about this nonsense and the obvious corruption and just take boxing for what it has now become, in the UK and USA anyway, phony sports entertainment.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 22:16
by gilgamesh
x2x wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 22:12
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 21:57
x2x wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 21:51 Boxing morphs into wrestling.
Wrestling always knew how to talk up a match. Combat Sports could use a little more Theatrics from the Wrestling world to sell big fights. Ali knew that.
Ali based his boxing act on the wrestler Gorgeous George, who made wrestling so popular in the early days of television.

Perhaps i should stop getting upset about this nonsense and the obvious corruption and just take boxing for what it has now become, in the UK and USA anyway, phony sports entertainment.
It definitely hasn't become that anywhere. Wrestlers talking sh*t and trying to promote or sell a fight doesn't mean the fight itself is any less legitimate.

The officiating isn't always on the level, but some sort of f*ckery has always been around in Boxing. Some guys are always going to be more carefully managed or handled, but a KO can always happen whether a guy is the Promoters Boy or not.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 22:23
by Ilya Muromets
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 22:16
x2x wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 22:12
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 21:57

Wrestling always knew how to talk up a match. Combat Sports could use a little more Theatrics from the Wrestling world to sell big fights. Ali knew that.
Ali based his boxing act on the wrestler Gorgeous George, who made wrestling so popular in the early days of television.

Perhaps i should stop getting upset about this nonsense and the obvious corruption and just take boxing for what it has now become, in the UK and USA anyway, phony sports entertainment.
It definitely hasn't become that anywhere. Wrestlers talking sh*t and trying to promote or sell a fight doesn't mean the fight itself is any less legitimate.

The officiating isn't always on the level, but some sort of f*ckery has always been around in Boxing. Some guys are always going to be more carefully managed or handled, but a KO can always happen whether a guy is the Promoters Boy or not.

I think you mean boxers not wrestlers. OK, it's still not predetermined and choreographed, but the "story lines" are getting pretty close to WWE, and the bosses do all they can to make sure that the right one wins. It's getting there, getting closer.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 22:30
by gilgamesh
x2x wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 22:23
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 22:16
x2x wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 22:12

Ali based his boxing act on the wrestler Gorgeous George, who made wrestling so popular in the early days of television.

Perhaps i should stop getting upset about this nonsense and the obvious corruption and just take boxing for what it has now become, in the UK and USA anyway, phony sports entertainment.
It definitely hasn't become that anywhere. Wrestlers talking sh*t and trying to promote or sell a fight doesn't mean the fight itself is any less legitimate.

The officiating isn't always on the level, but some sort of f*ckery has always been around in Boxing. Some guys are always going to be more carefully managed or handled, but a KO can always happen whether a guy is the Promoters Boy or not.

I think you mean boxers not wrestlers. OK, it's still not predetermined and choreographed, but the "story lines" are getting pretty close to WWE, and the bosses do all they can to make sure that the right one wins. It's getting there, getting closer.
I did indeed mean Boxers, and not wrestlers. I mean there's not really "story lines" exactly. Guys confronting each other in the ring has kinda a new normal, but I don't think it was ever completely unheard of before. Just wasn't as common as it is now.

Guys talking sh*t at Press Conferences isn't new at all. They've been doing that for decades.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 23:06
by Evander
We all knew it was going to happen as Wilder was sitting ringside.
I like most of the drama and theatrics that goes along with boxing, it would be pretty boring without it.
Fury let slip the venue for the Wilder fight by the sounds of it.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 00:51
by kevo
x2x wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 22:23
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 22:16
x2x wrote: 19 Aug 2018, 22:12

Ali based his boxing act on the wrestler Gorgeous George, who made wrestling so popular in the early days of television.

Perhaps i should stop getting upset about this nonsense and the obvious corruption and just take boxing for what it has now become, in the UK and USA anyway, phony sports entertainment.
It definitely hasn't become that anywhere. Wrestlers talking sh*t and trying to promote or sell a fight doesn't mean the fight itself is any less legitimate.

The officiating isn't always on the level, but some sort of f*ckery has always been around in Boxing. Some guys are always going to be more carefully managed or handled, but a KO can always happen whether a guy is the Promoters Boy or not.

I think you mean boxers not wrestlers. OK, it's still not predetermined and choreographed, but the "story lines" are getting pretty close to WWE, and the bosses do all they can to make sure that the right one wins. It's getting there, getting closer.
The story lines are nothing like they are in WWE. Stop being such an old woman.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 01:00
by TooMuch
I don't mind a little theatrics when it comes to promoting the fight.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 07:53
by DrDuke
Nothing bad in it. It's entertaining. Maybe sometimes Wilder's smack talk goes too punkish, when he insults his opponents' family and etc, what kinda breakes the rules, but overall it's ok. After Pianeta fight there wasn't anything special though. Fury made it more epic after Wilder-Szpilka.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 08:42
by Ruthless-RKO
Charisma. That’s how you sell fights. The pre-fight stuff, montage, talking the fight up. If you’re fighting PPV, people are going to be buying the event and the boxers will earn more based on PPV sales. If a boxer can’t sell, then there is no point putting out a ppv.

Unfortunately, there aren’t many hardcore boxing fans that enjoy just the boxing side, you gotta sell it. People have to know there is a fight on.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 13:16
by Ilya Muromets
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Aug 2018, 08:42 Charisma. That’s how you sell fights. The pre-fight stuff, montage, talking the fight up. If you’re fighting PPV, people are going to be buying the event and the boxers will earn more based on PPV sales. If a boxer can’t sell, then there is no point putting out a ppv.

Unfortunately, there aren’t many hardcore boxing fans that enjoy just the boxing side, you gotta sell it. People have to know there is a fight on.

Boxing is supposed to be (in theory if nothing else) an honest and legitimate sport - not like wrestling which is "sports entertainment". But it gets farther away from the first and closer to the second all the time.

Re: WILDER enters ring after FURY beats PIANETA

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 13:58
by Ruthless-RKO
x2x wrote: 20 Aug 2018, 13:16
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Aug 2018, 08:42 Charisma. That’s how you sell fights. The pre-fight stuff, montage, talking the fight up. If you’re fighting PPV, people are going to be buying the event and the boxers will earn more based on PPV sales. If a boxer can’t sell, then there is no point putting out a ppv.

Unfortunately, there aren’t many hardcore boxing fans that enjoy just the boxing side, you gotta sell it. People have to know there is a fight on.

Boxing is supposed to be (in theory if nothing else) an honest and legitimate sport - not like wrestling which is "sports entertainment". But it gets farther away from the first and closer to the second all the time.
Nothing wrong with building a fight. I don’t mind Fury-Wilder the way they ripping each other verbally, but at the end of it, shaking hands and hugging. Honest beef. In the ring, they’re both gonna try winning. So it’s not pre-written. We just hope for honest refs and judges.