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Amen, whittaker was a hell of a fighter, stronger than given credit for, but chose to use skills rather than brawn.

In fairness to Chavez though, he was a little bit past his best, and not at his best weight, but still Whittaker gave him one hell of a boxing lesson. the fact that he was so competitive with Tito and DLH way past his prime shows what a fighter he was. Whittaker would have easily beaten both in his prime.

Whitaker was competitive with De La Hoya, he was almost shut out by Trinidad however.

True, but with DLH he was still active and a P4Per.

Against Trinidad he had not fought in a while, was older, and was battling cocaine.

I think he could have done better against Tito in his prime, if not won. Hell he may have won against DLH!

He threw more, landed more, and got a knockdown!

Not much else a guy can do right? Well what goes around comes around and DLH has lost more than once by decision I think he should have got.

Whitaker deserved the decision over DLH. I scored that fight 116-112 if I remember correctly. It was clearly a setup to get the title into the hands of the next big star.

He did take Chavez to school (I also had 9-3 in rounds, 117-111), but at the same time, you have to be fair here and accept that Chavez was probably slightly past his prime already, and that he was fighting three weight classes over where he won his first title, and seven above where he began his career (he fought several times as a super flyweight).

jsc1973 wrote:Whitaker deserved the decision over DLH. I scored that fight 116-112 if I remember correctly. It was clearly a setup to get the title into the hands of the next big star.

He did take Chavez to school (I also had 9-3 in rounds, 117-111), but at the same time, you have to be fair here and accept that Chavez was probably slightly past his prime already, and that he was fighting three weight classes over where he won his first title, and seven above where he began his career (he fought several times as a super flyweight).

I AGRRE WITH YOU IN SOME POINTS, But if Chavez was a little past his prime, So did Whitaker. Secondly, That was not Whitaker's weight either. Plus, I believe that Whitaker was shorter than Chavez (5'5" to 5'7") so Chavez at least could made the weight a little better than Whitaker don't you think???
Did Chavez was a little past his prime??? I think Whitaker KNEW HOW TO FIGHT HIM.

This guy Whitaker made Chavez look like an AMATEUR. Even at close range and in close exchanges, Whitaker was better fighting Chavez style of fight. Whitaker was so UNDERRATED in his upper body strenght that even was much stronger than Chavez that night.

that was some amazing boxing and SLUGGING by whittaker. i remember whittaker backing chavez to the ropes and banging the living crap out of him. (hey wasn't it supposed to be the other way?) oddly enough, whittaker did appear to be the better slugger that night.

I have never actually seen JCC fight!!!! Could anbyway maybe tell me what he was like. Exciting?

Rewatched it and got to thinkin about about the scoring and this thread.

How did everyone else score it?

I had it 9 to 3 for Whitaker. Giving Chavez the first and second round and another somewhere in between.

I had it 8-4 Whitaker, a decisive win for Sweet Pea it was. Very impressive the way he went into the lions den and beat the crap out of Chavez in front of the huge pro JC crowd. Given the magnitude of the fight I rate this as one of the worst decisions I have seen, almost on par with Ali-Norton III.

Question....do you think


A: this HUGE and HISTORIC injustice served as a catalyst for Pernell's eventual blues.

B: The bizarre and obviously "purchased" aspect of this historically foolish decision was so transparent and well drubbed by the media that Pernell wore it as a badge of honor.


I'm sort of wondering just how weak Pernell's psyche was and if he took this seriously and became bitter, or laughed with the rest of us. Meaning that his eventual dabbling with drugs had nothing to do with nursing his ego, but just stupid "partying with consequences".

Whilst Whittaker won I think he got Chavez at the right time.

Chavez was past his best and at too high a weight. I know Chavez tries to get this fight much earlier at 135 but Whittaker's people refused.

I think it would have been a much closer fight at 135.

I think Whitaker beats him at their respective best (which was 135 for both men).

scored the whitaker chavez fight 116-112 sweet pea

whitaker would also have beaten trinidad and de la hoya prime for prime

i had whitaker / dela hoya....... 114-113 whitaker

i had whitaker / trinidad............117-111 trinidad



got the sweet pea career set

Way too much gay man-love for Whitaker in this thread. Whitaker was NOT stronger than Chavez and that's why he wound up with a draw, because they only way he could beat Chavez was to stink the joint out with the horrible, unwatchable style of his. I find it astonishing that so many people criticize Haye and Dirrell for their recent performances when the truth is they fought JUST LIKE WHITAKER in their respective bouts. "Sweet Pea" did make Chavez look sluggish at times but Chavez was definitely past his best after his long wartorn career and Whitaker was the naturally bihger guy (height has nothing to do with weight to the idiot who started this thread, otherwise Tyson by your argument shouldve been a Middleweight) yet he still feared Chavez' strength and power. Even Sports Illustrated had the fight scored even for God's sake.

And speaking of the DLH fight, Pernell landed more yes, but what matters is the actual effect of those punches, amd DLH was clearly doing more damage when he landed, Whitaker only made that fight close by being completely negative and defensive and making the thing unwatchable.

He dazzled when he knew he overmatched his opponent, but whenever he felt threatened he made his fights absolutely dull and so resorted to clowning around to put on some facade of winning easily the way Max Baer did whilst getting beat up by Jimmy Braddock.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Way too much gay man-love for Whitaker in this thread. Whitaker was NOT stronger than Chavez and that's why he wound up with a draw, because they only way he could beat Chavez was to stink the joint out with the horrible, unwatchable style of his. I find it astonishing that so many people criticize Haye and Dirrell for their recent performances when the truth is they fought JUST LIKE WHITAKER in their respective bouts.

I cut your post because that's all I read.

You either have not seen the Whitaker Chavez fight or you didn't see the Dirrell and Haye fights, because Whitaker fought nothing like them and at times was even backing Chavez up.

Grimm wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Way too much gay man-love for Whitaker in this thread. Whitaker was NOT stronger than Chavez and that's why he wound up with a draw, because they only way he could beat Chavez was to stink the joint out with the horrible, unwatchable style of his. I find it astonishing that so many people criticize Haye and Dirrell for their recent performances when the truth is they fought JUST LIKE WHITAKER in their respective bouts.

I cut your post because that's all I read.

You either have not seen the Whitaker Chavez fight or you didn't see the Dirrell and Haye fights, because Whitaker fought nothing like them and at times was even backing Chavez up.

That's about where I stopped as well.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Way too much gay man-love for Whitaker in this thread. Whitaker was NOT stronger than Chavez and that's why he wound up with a draw, because they only way he could beat Chavez was to stink the joint out with the horrible, unwatchable style of his. I find it astonishing that so many people criticize Haye and Dirrell for their recent performances when the truth is they fought JUST LIKE WHITAKER in their respective bouts. "Sweet Pea" did make Chavez look sluggish at times but Chavez was definitely past his best after his long wartorn career and Whitaker was the naturally bihger guy (height has nothing to do with weight to the idiot who started this thread, otherwise Tyson by your argument shouldve been a Middleweight) yet he still feared Chavez' strength and power. Even Sports Illustrated had the fight scored even for God's sake.

And speaking of the DLH fight, Pernell landed more yes, but what matters is the actual effect of those punches, amd DLH was clearly doing more damage when he landed, Whitaker only made that fight close by being completely negative and defensive and making the thing unwatchable.

He dazzled when he knew he overmatched his opponent, but whenever he felt threatened he made his fights absolutely dull and so resorted to clowning around to put on some facade of winning easily the way Max Baer did whilst getting beat up by Jimmy Braddock.

Translated = he bores me, so screw him.

Get real

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Way too much gay man-love for Whitaker in this thread. Whitaker was NOT stronger than Chavez and that's why he wound up with a draw, because they only way he could beat Chavez was to stink the joint out with the horrible, unwatchable style of his. I find it astonishing that so many people criticize Haye and Dirrell for their recent performances when the truth is they fought JUST LIKE WHITAKER in their respective bouts. "Sweet Pea" did make Chavez look sluggish at times but Chavez was definitely past his best after his long wartorn career and Whitaker was the naturally bihger guy (height has nothing to do with weight to the idiot who started this thread, otherwise Tyson by your argument shouldve been a Middleweight) yet he still feared Chavez' strength and power. Even Sports Illustrated had the fight scored even for God's sake.

Sure Whitaker was often painful to watch and lord knows I wanted Chavez to win that night but he didn't, not even close. Past his prime, wrong weight class or whatever, JC got spanked that night and you'll just have to live with that. And fear, hell that's one of the most fearless performances I have seen. Whitaker went in against a fighter with an 87-0 record before a hostile crowd of 60000+ and kicked the home favorites ass, I guess that's fear in action right there.

{amateur} wrote:I have never actually seen JCC fight!!!! Could anbyway maybe tell me what he was like. Exciting?

Your missing out he was a pressure fighter with a great left hook to the body he would walk down his opponants and finish them brilliantly but agree with what everyone else has said about Sweet Pea the man was sheer class

alexpaterson wrote:

{amateur} wrote:I have never actually seen JCC fight!!!! Could anbyway maybe tell me what he was like. Exciting?

Your missing out he was a pressure fighter with a great left hook to the body he would walk down his opponants and finish them brilliantly but agree with what everyone else has said about Sweet Pea the man was sheer class

That was from 2004

Ezzard wrote:Whilst Whittaker won I think he got Chavez at the right time.

Pretty much my view too, both fantastic fighters though.

much as i liked JCC, I always thought Pea would be a bad-to-awful style matchup for him. i'm not sure if there was ever a 'right' time for JCC to face pea :(

Was a big Chavez fan and was never a big Whitaker fan but I admired his amazing boxing skills and scored it 8-4 Whitaker. Didn't think Whitaker beat DLH like some.
Whitaker's style and ability was such that I can't think of many lightweights or welterweights in the past 30 years who would have beaten him in his prime. Maybe an unrelenting, prime Duran at lightweight or S.R. Leonard/Tommy Hearns, guys with both speed and power, at welterweight. But a prime Whitaker would have made a lot of really good champions between 135-147 look bad.

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