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WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 26 Aug 2018, 07:49
by izabelisk
Ok, I don't understand why boxrec don't display the WBA SUPER world champion in priority on his champion's page.
http://boxrec.com/en/champions

That has no sense.

Boxrec's administrators are you crazy ? :witzend:

For example in heavyweight that is Trevor Bryan (WBA iterim world champion) that is displayed instead of Joshua (WBA super world champion).
For the cruiserweight that is Schumenov (WBA regular world champion) that is displayed instead of Usyk (WBA super world champion)
As I understand boxrec prefer to show the WBA regular or iterim champion instead of the WBA super world champion. :brick:

But we all know how the WBA works.
A WBA champion that do 5 defenses or do a unification with another federation (IBF, WBO, WBC) becomes WBA super champion and the WBA regular belt is disputed between 2 others boxers.
This is why WBA estimates that the best boxer is the WBA super champion not the other champions.

So boxrec, explain me why you don't display WBA super champion. :witzend:
Are you really considering that Bryan is better than Joshua, Shumenov better than Usyk ? :doh:

For other champions that's very problematic. For example in the champion page we don't see Lomachenko or Grooves as the champion. It's like they are not recognized by any official organization. Casual fans can really believe that they don't have official belt and the champion's page becomes very weird.

Moreother with the current system we will never see an undisputed champion (that the case with Usyk that is the undisputed champion but not in boxrec apparently :doh: )

Here is the true list of the TRUE WBA champion:
heavyweight: Joshua (not Bryan)
cruiserweight: Usyk (not Shumenov)
light heavyweight: Bivol (that is the only WBA champion so boxrec is right)
super middleweight: Grooves (not Fielding)
middleweight: Golovkin (not Murata)
super welterweight: Hurd (not Castano)
welterweight: Thurman (not Pacquiao, even if Thurman has been stripped to his WBC title, he is still the WBA super champion).
light welterweight: Relikh (that is the only WBA champion so boxrec is right)
lightweight: Lomachenko (not vacant :witzend: I don't understand why boxrec display vacant, as I know Lomachenko doesn't vacate the title and moreother he is the only WBA world champion)
Super featherweight: Davis (not Machado)
Featherweight: Santa Cruz (not vacant. Please I don't understand why vacant is displayed. There are 3 WBA world champions in this weight division: super, regular and interim).
Super bantamweight: Daniel Roman (that the only WBA champion so boxrec is right)
Batamweight: Burnett (not Inoue even if I'm a big fan of Inoue he is only the regular champion. And even if I think that Inoue is better boxrec should display the correct champion. Hopefully the WBSS will decide who will be the true champion. But I imagine that boxrec will display the new WBA regular champion when Inoue or the guy who will beat him will vacate his regular title to unify or fight the WBA super champion :doh: ).
Super flyweight: Yafai (that is the only WBA champion so boxrec is right)
Flyweight: Dalakian (that is the only WBA champion so boxrec is right)
Light flyweight: Buddler (not Canizales)
Minimumweight: Niyomtrong (that is the only WBA champion so boxrec is right)

SOURCE: http://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-ranking

Please boxrec correct the champion's page.

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 26 Aug 2018, 09:53
by computerrank
There is a solution. It will be implemented, I guess.

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 26 Aug 2018, 14:00
by izabelisk
computerrank wrote: 26 Aug 2018, 09:53 There is a solution. It will be implemented, I guess.
Yes, I hope. Do you work on boxrec team ?

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 26 Aug 2018, 14:05
by computerrank
izabelisk wrote: 26 Aug 2018, 14:00
computerrank wrote: 26 Aug 2018, 09:53 There is a solution. It will be implemented, I guess.
Yes, I hope. Do you work on boxrec team ?
It will be changed at the next opportunity.

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 27 Aug 2018, 15:38
by izabelisk
There is also a bug for the WBC light heavyweight world champion.
Boxrec display Gvozdyk, but he is only the WBC interim world champion. The WBC world champion is Stevenson.

It seems that boxrec current algorithm assumes that world champion and iterim world champion are the same and it choose the last boxer that win a fight.

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 27 Aug 2018, 16:25
by Ruthless-RKO
izabelisk wrote: 27 Aug 2018, 15:38 There is also a bug for the WBC light heavyweight world champion.
Boxrec display Gvozdyk, but he is only the WBC interim world champion. The WBC world champion is Stevenson.

It seems that boxrec current algorithm assumes that world champion and iterim world champion are the same and it choose the last boxer that win a fight.
That’s not correct. Charr as still listed after AJ beat Parker.

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 27 Aug 2018, 19:23
by computerrank
izabelisk wrote: 27 Aug 2018, 15:38 There is also a bug for the WBC light heavyweight world champion.
Boxrec display Gvozdyk, but he is only the WBC interim world champion. The WBC world champion is Stevenson.

It seems that boxrec current algorithm assumes that world champion and iterim world champion are the same and it choose the last boxer that win a fight.
By definition the interim title replaces the regular title until the next regular title match.

But unfortunately WBC uses the interim title for their #1 mandatory challenger, which makes no sense at all.

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 14:19
by izabelisk
computerrank wrote: 27 Aug 2018, 19:23
izabelisk wrote: 27 Aug 2018, 15:38 There is also a bug for the WBC light heavyweight world champion.
Boxrec display Gvozdyk, but he is only the WBC interim world champion. The WBC world champion is Stevenson.

It seems that boxrec current algorithm assumes that world champion and iterim world champion are the same and it choose the last boxer that win a fight.
By definition the interim title replaces the regular title until the next regular title match.

But unfortunately WBC uses the interim title for their #1 mandatory challenger, which makes no sense at all.
Ok but Stevenson vs Jack occurs after Gvozdyk vs Amar. Maybe boxrec doesn't manage correctly draw result.

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 14:21
by izabelisk
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 27 Aug 2018, 16:25
izabelisk wrote: 27 Aug 2018, 15:38 There is also a bug for the WBC light heavyweight world champion.
Boxrec display Gvozdyk, but he is only the WBC interim world champion. The WBC world champion is Stevenson.

It seems that boxrec current algorithm assumes that world champion and iterim world champion are the same and it choose the last boxer that win a fight.
That’s not correct. Charr as still listed after AJ beat Parker.
Charr is not interim champion, he is regular champion.
But in my example in morely talk about WBC world title not WBA which is more tedious like my first post explain.

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 28 Aug 2018, 15:57
by Ruthless-RKO
izabelisk wrote: 28 Aug 2018, 14:21
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 27 Aug 2018, 16:25
izabelisk wrote: 27 Aug 2018, 15:38 There is also a bug for the WBC light heavyweight world champion.
Boxrec display Gvozdyk, but he is only the WBC interim world champion. The WBC world champion is Stevenson.

It seems that boxrec current algorithm assumes that world champion and iterim world champion are the same and it choose the last boxer that win a fight.
That’s not correct. Charr as still listed after AJ beat Parker.
Charr is not interim champion, he is regular champion.
But in my example in morely talk about WBC world title not WBA which is more tedious like my first post explain.
I just think It’s the way Boxrec works. Lists ‘Regular’ and ‘Interim’ champions before actual beltholders.

Who’s listed as WBO featherweight champion?

Frampton or Valdez?

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 30 Sep 2018, 06:16
by izabelisk
Any news about that boxrec team ?

Each time I see Schumenov as the WBA world champion, I become crazy. :witzend: :D

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 10 Oct 2018, 15:59
by izabelisk
Boxrec team, do you know when the page will be updated ?

Lomachenko is not even the WBA champion, boxrec algorithm prefers to display vacant. :confused:

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 24 Jan 2019, 12:06
by computerrank
The Boxrec Champions list is corrected now:

- no interim titles shown
- WBA super title has priority to WBA regular title

:TU:

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 24 Jan 2019, 13:10
by boxing_rocks
In some computer languages, max integer value is 2147483647 which is not enough to cover all belts invented by ABC orgs which causes issues :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 25 Jan 2019, 02:19
by tiny_acres
computerrank wrote: 24 Jan 2019, 12:06 The Boxrec Champions list is corrected now:

- no interim titles shown
- WBA super title has priority to WBA regular title

:TU:
:TU:

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 25 Jan 2019, 02:43
by gregregegg
Whenever WBA regular champion is listed anywhere be it boxrec or other sites it should say regular Bold and underlined. Because people will start thinking people like char are real world champs...

perfect example, canelo moving up to 168, even friends that followed boxing thought that was for a real world championship, when infact it was the reg belt, witch is equivalent to a domestic strap.

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 25 Jan 2019, 13:07
by Syntax Error
Is it possible that even Boxrec don't know who the real world champion is in WBAdom? :twisted:

Do the WBA even know themselves?

Re: WBA champion by boxrec WTF

Posted: 25 Jan 2019, 13:33
by oogiebe
Syntax Error wrote: 25 Jan 2019, 13:07 Is it possible that even Boxrec don't know who the real world champion is in WBAdom? :twisted:

Do the WBA even know themselves?
BoxRec fixed the champion list. It's fine now.