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Hello people, lets bring more interest to rematch of last year megafight
At first, i am big Canelo fan. On the other side it is very hard not to root for GGG. So if you ask, i am not biased.
First fight:
First fight of these two was for me definitely amongst top 15 fights ive ever saw. I liked every second of the fight, pre fight build up, atmosphere, and of course brilliand display of boxing skills in the ring by boxers. Hit and not being hit, in a entertaining way. Sadly, that all was overshadowed by results.
First fight result:
Ive watched the fight 3 times. My scores are 115-113 or 116-112 for Golovkin. 114-114 is not necessarily a robbery and i can maybe accept it with one eye closed. Alvarez definitely did not won that fight. 118-110 is nonsense, unfortunately, shadowy persons was always present in boxing :( Oh and i hate Oscar de la Hoya.
Failed drug tests:
Personally i do not understand big deal around this. Almost everyone in pro sports is on drugs, but not everyone get caught. Anyway clearing his name is big challenge for Alvarez.
Keys to victory in second fight:
IMO they both did everything right in the first fight, but they need to do more of that. Many people on forums write that they should target body more. People who actually box know that land a good body shot is difficult and dangerous, especially if you stand against strong counterpuncher, which both Canelo and GGG are.

Sorry for my poor english and ive added a big poll you have 2 options :)

canelo beats ggg clearly, busting him up good at times

I'm neutral towards both of them, but obviously I like to watch the fights of them both. The first fight was won by Golovkin. Canelo fought in a proper style, but needed more activity.

It may sound like another conspiracy theory, but I believe, that Oscar has direct influence on the judges of Canelo fights. And he obviously tries to earn more money, what is normal for promoter. So I believe, that Canelo had an instruction to be cautious and learn Golovkin. GGG obviously seemed too dangeruos, so team Canelo decided to conquer him stepwise. Canelo was cautious in the first fight and got judges' help. In the second fight he will engage more and still will most likely have judges' help. Canelo will decision Golovkin.

Canelo-Golovkin dilogy is a one stone to hit two birds for team Canelo:
1.) Canelo has learned GGG.
2.) The fight will sell.

Some say, that more active Canelo will be caught and knocked out. Well, I don't believe, that he will be caught with something really big and furthermore his chin looks good enough to take it, if it lands.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2018, 14:44 Hello people, lets bring more interest to rematch of last year megafight
At first, i am big Canelo fan. On the other side it is very hard not to root for GGG. So if you ask, i am not biased.
First fight:
First fight of these two was for me definitely amongst top 15 fights ive ever saw. I liked every second of the fight, pre fight build up, atmosphere, and of course brilliand display of boxing skills in the ring by boxers. Hit and not being hit, in a entertaining way. Sadly, that all was overshadowed by results.
First fight result:
Ive watched the fight 3 times. My scores are 115-113 or 116-112 for Golovkin. 114-114 is not necessarily a robbery and i can maybe accept it with one eye closed. Alvarez definitely did not won that fight. 118-110 is nonsense, unfortunately, shadowy persons was always present in boxing :( Oh and i hate Oscar de la Hoya.
Failed drug tests:
Personally i do not understand big deal around this. Almost everyone in pro sports is on drugs, but not everyone get caught. Anyway clearing his name is big challenge for Alvarez.
Keys to victory in second fight:
IMO they both did everything right in the first fight, but they need to do more of that. Many people on forums write that they should target body more. People who actually box know that land a good body shot is difficult and dangerous, especially if you stand against strong counterpuncher, which both Canelo and GGG are.

Sorry for my poor english and ive added a big poll you have 2 options :)

What did you like about the pre-fight buildup?

It seems like there wasn't any. Deadly dull. Especially coming on the heels of the boisterous Mayweather-McGregor promotion.

Both fighters command of English is pretty limited. When they did throw out a few words, it didn't exactly capture your attention. Trite stuff.

I think that the dull promotion contributed to what was an undoubtedly disappointing 1.3 million PPV buys.

The rematch, with all the PED controversy and the supposed bad blood, will easily eclipse that number.

About 2 miilion buys is attainable.

... and with Golovkin switching to Russian allowing him to say what he actually thinks, it made it more interesting.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑30 Aug 2018, 23:17I think that the dull promotion contributed to what was an undoubtedly disappointing 1.3 million PPV buys.

The rematch, with all the PED controversy and the supposed bad blood, will easily eclipse that number.

About 2 miilion buys is attainable.

I hope you're right, but I feel that you are being overly-optimistic - that's a Mayweather-esque number that you've quoted.

It won't do more than 1.5m, but this would be one of the few times that I'd be overjoyed at being proven wrong.

Interesting video:

ggg is a beast. credit to canelo for getting back in there. ggg has a good chance to land clean, and get the ko. as canelo will be expected to run less.

I think the guy who wins this fight is gonna be the one who throws accurate "multiple" punch combinations. Both have good jabs (although ggg is more accurate and perpetual), good footwork, stamina and good chins. What was lacking in fight one was the courage, by either man, to open up and throw more than two punches at a time. Also very little follow up on heavily landed shots. 2:27 into round 10 is indicative of what I mean. Alvarez missed his chance to win the fight by scoring a knockdown. Rewatch it. He catches ggg with a hook and a right hand and ggg responds by missing a looping right and goes off balance. But where is Alvarez? He's like 2 feet farther back than he should be, because he already retreated after scoring his 2 punch FMW wonder. If he had stayed closer and been ready to follow up, he could have tapped ggg and put him down and won the fight, all else the same.

I want to see these guy's try and KO each other. I believe that is what ggg intends to do. I believe Alvarez can beat him but he has to stop trying to fight like Mayweather and open up with the combinations. If he plays with GGG this time, he's gonna pay!

50/50 fight in my mind (only because of the Bias judges factor which makes a decision in Canelo's favor whether he deserves it or not highly likely)

I'll be rooting hard for Golovkin to take it out of the judges hands.

Am I the only one who just cannot get properly enthused about this fight? I can only assume it has to do with the awful scoring and apparent corruption in the first fight. I'm sure I'll watch it, but at the moment I really couldn't give a sh1t.

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 02:41 Am I the only one who just cannot get properly enthused about this fight? I can only assume it has to do with the awful scoring and apparent corruption in the first fight. I'm sure I'll watch it, but at the moment I really couldn't give a sh1t.

can see what your saying, it was same way for me for kov-ward 2. you have two top guys who fought competitively the first time, with some controversy, yet theres a lot else im more interested in

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 02:41 Am I the only one who just cannot get properly enthused about this fight? I can only assume it has to do with the awful scoring and apparent corruption in the first fight. I'm sure I'll watch it, but at the moment I really couldn't give a sh1t.

I’ll watch the bout, as it’ll surely be an entertaining affair, but there has been a lot of other fights where the build-up has excited me more.

In normal situations, GGG and Canelo both like to play the “good guys” and neither man can speak English very well, which hinders their ability to promote the event to the mainstream masses.

For their rematch, the Mexican is being portrayed as the villainous pantomime heel, which is a role that he is clearly uncomfortable with.

Both guys are also trying to “sell” this fight as a genuine grudge match and are attempting to generate hype by feigning dislike towards each other, but if I’m not convinced by their words, then I suspect many others won’t be as well.

I feel that the build-up for first GGG-Canelo encounter lacked a certain amount of drama, in part because it was overshadowed by the MayMac circus event, but also due to the fact that the Kazakh and the Mexican were both too nice and respectful of each other, resulting in a distinct lack of hype and a lower than expected audience figures.

Boxing is show business, not just an athletic event, and it seems that they’re now trying their upmost to generate interest in the rematch using “animosity”, which requires GGG and Canelo to behave out-of-character, but some of their so-called “harsh words” they’re using to promote the event comes across as disingenuous and both guys seem out of their comfort zone.

They don't know how to put on a "show" and convince their target audience of their alleged "mutual loathing". I don’t know if the language barrier is causing this, but whatever the root cause, this is the situation that we’re faced with.

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 02:41 Am I the only one who just cannot get properly enthused about this fight? I can only assume it has to do with the awful scoring and apparent corruption in the first fight. I'm sure I'll watch it, but at the moment I really couldn't give a sh1t.

Man, I don't know how. I don't even like Canelo, but I was getting butterflies before the fight. Just so much hype with best vs. best attached. Absolutely beautiful.

I'm super hyped for the rematch. Who knows what will happen. I'd love to see Golovkin knocked Canelo clean out.

Now that we can agree on.

jamamb wrote: ↑29 Aug 2018, 14:59 canelo beats ggg clearly, busting him up good at times

I don't know what this is based on. When Canelo landed good power shots in the first fight, GGG outshined the landing of the shots with his taking of them. No falling, no wobbling, no backing up, no turning defensive, no acknowledgement of the shot, no interruption of his activity.

squiggy wrote: ↑03 Sep 2018, 12:46

jamamb wrote: ↑29 Aug 2018, 14:59 canelo beats ggg clearly, busting him up good at times

I don't know what this is based on. When Canelo landed good power shots in the first fight, GGG outshined the landing of the shots with his taking of them. No falling, no wobbling, no backing up, no turning defensive, no acknowledgement of the shot, no interruption of his activity.

GGG was hurt by shots a few times in the fight. You can tell because he held or backed up momentarily (GGG doesn't back up). Watch it closely. I think if Alvarez wasn't affecting him GGG would have knocked him out.

*Very* momentarily. It's difficult to argue that he didn't shake it right off and go back to work.

Canelo's hesitant plan to wait until GGG gets old as possible and start slowing down could actually work this time, even without the dope and judges help. GGG is relying on his chin too much, and his timing is starting to slip. GBP has every intention of stealing this fight if it can be stolen, Teddy Atlas might need a triple bypass if they do. Golovkin has one choice, to press for the knockout from the opening bell. Can't worry about points, running, none of it.

I'm picking Golovkin by stoppage, in 11. Assuming Canelo fights like he says he will, not hide and seek between running away. I think Sanchez saw the timing and over reliance on chin problem Gennady had. I think GGG's accuracy on the ropes will be much better this fight, and Canelo the shitty gas tank has zero choice but to take breathers and throw nothing back too often. Plus his ridiculous ego and partial success from the first fight made this dummy think he's safe on the ropes. Golovkin, even at this career point, is only a few shots away from stopping Canelo, its just a matter of softening him up and landing that first big one. Canelo has zero chance of stopping GGG, he's simply not strong enough in any facet to do it. If he tries, he gets knocked out. When he goes back to running, he leaves the door open for another gift. Expect the latter, when the former doesn't work.

I'm going for an another bad decision favoring Canelo. But GGG might get a TKO or something. But he won't get the decision or will he? Don't know really, if the judges get paid for it like last time it would be really bad for boxing.

But the pricetag is just silly... my god! HBO wtf??

Saw it 116-112 for GGG last time btw

Canelo may rely on shots like this:

SFW wrote: ↑04 Sep 2018, 11:21 Canelo's hesitant plan to wait until GGG gets old as possible and start slowing down could actually work this time, even without the dope and judges help. GGG is relying on his chin too much, and his timing is starting to slip. GBP has every intention of stealing this fight if it can be stolen, Teddy Atlas might need a triple bypass if they do. Golovkin has one choice, to press for the knockout from the opening bell. Can't worry about points, running, none of it.

I'm picking Golovkin by stoppage, in 11. Assuming Canelo fights like he says he will, not hide and seek between running away. I think Sanchez saw the timing and over reliance on chin problem Gennady had. I think GGG's accuracy on the ropes will be much better this fight, and Canelo the shitty gas tank has zero choice but to take breathers and throw nothing back too often. Plus his ridiculous ego and partial success from the first fight made this dummy think he's safe on the ropes. Golovkin, even at this career point, is only a few shots away from stopping Canelo, its just a matter of softening him up and landing that first big one. Canelo has zero chance of stopping GGG, he's simply not strong enough in any facet to do it. If he tries, he gets knocked out. When he goes back to running, he leaves the door open for another gift. Expect the latter, when the former doesn't work.

Great summing up. If Canelo comes to fight 'Mexican style', he gets stopped. So I'm sure he'll hit and run and look to rest on the ropes.

I hope you're right about GGG's accuracy because he cannot depend on the judges. The worry is that GGG will get old overnight at some point during the fight and be chasing shadows once more.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑04 Sep 2018, 14:03

SFW wrote: ↑04 Sep 2018, 11:21 Canelo's hesitant plan to wait until GGG gets old as possible and start slowing down could actually work this time, even without the dope and judges help. GGG is relying on his chin too much, and his timing is starting to slip. GBP has every intention of stealing this fight if it can be stolen, Teddy Atlas might need a triple bypass if they do. Golovkin has one choice, to press for the knockout from the opening bell. Can't worry about points, running, none of it.

I'm picking Golovkin by stoppage, in 11. Assuming Canelo fights like he says he will, not hide and seek between running away. I think Sanchez saw the timing and over reliance on chin problem Gennady had. I think GGG's accuracy on the ropes will be much better this fight, and Canelo the shitty gas tank has zero choice but to take breathers and throw nothing back too often. Plus his ridiculous ego and partial success from the first fight made this dummy think he's safe on the ropes. Golovkin, even at this career point, is only a few shots away from stopping Canelo, its just a matter of softening him up and landing that first big one. Canelo has zero chance of stopping GGG, he's simply not strong enough in any facet to do it. If he tries, he gets knocked out. When he goes back to running, he leaves the door open for another gift. Expect the latter, when the former doesn't work.

Great summing up. If Canelo comes to fight 'Mexican style', he gets stopped. So I'm sure he'll hit and run and look to rest on the ropes.

I hope you're right about GGG's accuracy because he cannot depend on the judges. The worry is that GGG will get old overnight at some point during the fight and be chasing shadows once more.

He wasn't even using Mexican style when being on "Mexican meat". I strongly doubt he will use it this time. He will try to do exact same thing. His team will just bump their work with judges.