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Without the likes of him the pro game wouldn’t exist imo! He has probably fought more champions than anyone.. fair play to him
— Tony Bellew (@TonyBellew) August 2, 2018

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 09:11 How much you reckon he made on average..

Coco wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 11:19 If you call it a grand a fight, he has earned on average 20k a year for 15 years, it's a living, but he is no rich man.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 11:21

Coco wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 11:19 If you call it a grand a fight, he has earned on average 20k a year for 15 years, it's a living, but he is no rich man.

Most of these guys do have other jobs though don't they?

skanksta wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 13:14 I should add...

I have trouble explaining to my 'casual' boxing fan mates just how good you have to be to be a 'bad' boxer.
Guys like Laight should get some sort of small golden handshake from The Board and/or the big earning champs that he's helped improve.

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 14:15

skanksta wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 13:14 I should add...

I have trouble explaining to my 'casual' boxing fan mates just how good you have to be to be a 'bad' boxer.
Guys like Laight should get some sort of small golden handshake from The Board and/or the big earning champs that he's helped improve.

I've heard it a thousand time too from people who don't know the sport, "he's lost how many, reckon I'd beat him" no son, he'd fold you like a deckchair.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 14:20

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 14:15

skanksta wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 13:14 I should add...

I have trouble explaining to my 'casual' boxing fan mates just how good you have to be to be a 'bad' boxer.
Guys like Laight should get some sort of small golden handshake from The Board and/or the big earning champs that he's helped improve.

I've heard it a thousand time too from people who don't know the sport, "he's lost how many, reckon I'd beat him" no son, he'd fold you like a deckchair.

Actually YEAH they probably would beat him. Because he'd make no effort to win. That's why he has so many losses. He's a Professional Loser, that makes no effort to win because if he did he'd get less fights and therefore less money.

So I mean if he were told to cut loose, and really give it a go yeah he'd probably beat you. If not, he'd probably go about it as business as usual and just move around for 4 rounds and take a decision loss, and a paycheck and go on about his business.

I'm sure Laight was capable of beating a lot more than the 12 guys he did officially beat. He just made no sincere effort do so because it would've done his career no favors. Fights with guys like this are essentially fixed because one guy is coming simply to survive, and move on to the next bout. He's not there to win nor even try to win.

I'll bet a lot of the 12 guys that Laight has wins over are guys that either only had 1 bout or had WAY more losses than wins like him right? Where he was just told "Hey go ahead, and win this one to get the board off your back" or whatever.

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 14:25

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 14:20

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 14:15
I've heard it a thousand time too from people who don't know the sport, "he's lost how many, reckon I'd beat him" no son, he'd fold you like a deckchair.

Actually YEAH they probably would beat him. Because he'd make no effort to win. That's why he has so many losses. He's a Professional Loser, that makes no effort to win because if he did he'd get less fights and therefore less money.

So I mean if he were told to cut loose, and really give it a go yeah he'd probably beat you. If not, he'd probably go about it as business as usual and just move around for 4 rounds and take a decision loss, and a paycheck and go on about his business.

I'm sure Laight was capable of beating a lot more than the 12 guys he did officially beat. He just made no sincere effort do so because it would've done his career no favors. Fights with guys like this are essentially fixed because one guy is coming simply to survive, and move on to the next bout. He's not there to win nor even try to win.

I'll bet a lot of the 12 guys that Laight has wins over are guys that either only had 1 bout or had WAY more losses than wins like him right? Where he was just told "Hey go ahead, and win this one to get the board off your back" or whatever.

Ohh don't worry I know how it works, too good no fights, I'm talking about guys who think they could take a journey man out in a street fight.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 13:39 Tough guy, hard to stop, obviously must've had pretty good defense. Definitely one of the most prolific of these types of fighters.

They have the book called "Journeyman" about these guys, but in my mind a Journeyman is a guy that wins about as much as he loses at least. Laight would fall more under the "Professional Loser" umbrella to me.

That being said I'm not saying that as an insult to the man, but merely as a factual statement. As the above poster mentioned, you can't have THIS many fights without knowing how to at the very least take care of yourself in the ring, and know how not to get seriously hurt. Because you know a great deal of those 300 guys were trying to make a statement, and beat the hell out of him something serious and simply weren't able to.

You don't really see these kinda prolific losing records elsewhere, seems that athletic commissions are more stringent depending on the Country or the State/Province...etc.

Nevertheless, as people say, it's a living and he's done it well. Respect to the man, and all the other boxers who wind up getting sucked into this role in the sport.

I'm sure none of these guys set out with the intention of being THAT guy in Boxing. It just kinda winds up being that way when you realize there's really no money in doing it any other way after you've already picked up a handful of losses.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 16:45

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 13:39 Tough guy, hard to stop, obviously must've had pretty good defense. Definitely one of the most prolific of these types of fighters.

They have the book called "Journeyman" about these guys, but in my mind a Journeyman is a guy that wins about as much as he loses at least. Laight would fall more under the "Professional Loser" umbrella to me.

That being said I'm not saying that as an insult to the man, but merely as a factual statement. As the above poster mentioned, you can't have THIS many fights without knowing how to at the very least take care of yourself in the ring, and know how not to get seriously hurt. Because you know a great deal of those 300 guys were trying to make a statement, and beat the hell out of him something serious and simply weren't able to.

You don't really see these kinda prolific losing records elsewhere, seems that athletic commissions are more stringent depending on the Country or the State/Province...etc.

Nevertheless, as people say, it's a living and he's done it well. Respect to the man, and all the other boxers who wind up getting sucked into this role in the sport.

I'm sure none of these guys set out with the intention of being THAT guy in Boxing. It just kinda winds up being that way when you realize there's really no money in doing it any other way after you've already picked up a handful of losses.

Out of interest, how many times, say you're the journeyman actually trying to win as the 'away' fighter, how many times in his earlier career do you think Laight may have not got a fair shake on the cards, and how many times do you think most people get the shaft before they realise they may as well just look after themselves as 'win' or lose they're probably not getting the win anyway, and there's no point getting in a tear up and maybe injured or cut and lose potential fights coming up if they know they won't get the win given to them?

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 17:01 Yeah we mooted a journeyman prizefighter on here back when tom podmore used to post, i remember as he suggested some great names. I can't remember any of them now- Baz Carey may have been one. But the likes of him and Billy Smith and others in a tourney would have been brilliant. They'd have smashed ten bags of shite out of each other

olij999 wrote: ↑05 Sep 2018, 08:04 Very best wishes to Kris. And I hope he stays involved in the sport - he clearly has lots of knowledge, and comes across as a good communicator.