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What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 05 Sep 2018, 23:37
by jpspice
I just rewatched the GGG vs Jacobs fight and I have to say Jacobs fought that beautifully. I think he won the fight straight up but definitely if you take away the knock down (which was more of a punch and stumble) Jacobs wins. There are a few things I think Alvarez should employ, as exemplified by Jacobs, if he is going to beat GGG.
1) A more aggressive jab; Jacobs fired the jab constantly and moved laterally, side to side. He also doubled up and even tripled the jab at times, using it to set up following punches.
2)Throw multiple punch combinations; Jacobs corner kept saying "we fight fire with finesse" but when needed, Jacobs fought fire with fire by throwing multiple punch combos when GGG was boring in on him. Pretty unlikely your going to hurt G with one or two punches, you'll need to land 3,4,5 in a row to stop,or even slow him down.
3)Reclaim the ring; Jacobs did a good job of creating space by utilizing a sharp jab and working in wide circles around GGG (especially in the later rounds when he was tiring and G was trying to hunt him down). Alvarez IMO laid on the ropes too much. I realize that was part of his strategy but it didn't look very good as far as activity output goes, even if he was landing some heavy shots, G looked busier throughout the fight. I don't think Alvarez can afford that this time,

As far as GGG goes, in order for him to claim a victory I think he just has to do what he always does (He won't change anything anyway) just do it better.

Re: What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 05 Sep 2018, 23:45
by jamamb
wut were your scores for ggg-canelo and ggg-jacobs

Re: What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 06 Sep 2018, 01:46
by jezzamundo
Good post, I agree with everything except I had GGG beating Jacobs in a close fight.

Watching live I had GGG beating Jacobs 115-112, but rewatching I had it 114-113 GGG with the KD making the difference. I wouldn't argue with 114-113 to Jacobs.

I had GGG beating Canelo 116-112 live and the same again on a second viewing. I could see anything from a draw to 117-111 GGG as acceptable scorecards, though a draw is giving Canelo every close round.

Re: What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 06 Sep 2018, 05:49
by caldo2025
The only thing that Canelo could learn from Jacobs is to come into the ring 20 pounds more than GGG. That’s all that fight was about. GGG was a pro and made weight for IBF’s dumb day of weigh-in while Jacobs opted not to fight for the belt and to take the weight advantage instead.

Re: What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 06 Sep 2018, 07:35
by Enlightened-One
jpspice wrote: 05 Sep 2018, 23:37As far as GGG goes, in order for him to claim a victory I think he just has to do what he always does (He won't change anything anyway) just do it better.
Golovkin started slowly against Canelo and allowed the Mexican to get work himself back into the bout during the later rounds.

GGG needs to be less hesitant from the get-go, start faster, throw slightly fewer speculative punches and also pace himself better.

The Kazakh didn’t do a lot wrong against Canelo first time out, but he won the middle rounds too clearly and faded slightly towards the final stages of the bout.

So if I was him, I’d focus on being more efficient, doing just enough to win the rounds and then selectively taking the foot off the gas to conserve my energy levels throughout the entirety of the bout.

A few small tweaks here-and-there could result in a dominant decision victory for the Kazakh.

GGG should not look for the KO against Canelo, because he could come unstuck, either by running out of gas or being too haphazard.

Re: What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 06 Sep 2018, 09:40
by jezzamundo
caldo2025 wrote: 06 Sep 2018, 05:49 The only thing that Canelo could learn from Jacobs is to come into the ring 20 pounds more than GGG. That’s all that fight was about. GGG was a pro and made weight for IBF’s dumb day of weigh-in while Jacobs opted not to fight for the belt and to take the weight advantage instead.
20lb is surely exaggeration - I wouldn't be surprised if it was less than 10lb. I agree with the sentiment, though.

Re: What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 06 Sep 2018, 10:02
by greg
caldo2025 wrote: 06 Sep 2018, 05:49 The only thing that Canelo could learn from Jacobs is to come into the ring 20 pounds more than GGG. That’s all that fight was about. GGG was a pro and made weight for IBF’s dumb day of weigh-in while Jacobs opted not to fight for the belt and to take the weight advantage instead.
..agree with that, Jacobs was a lot heavier and actually belonged to a different weight category which I classify as "self-serving legal cheating"..glad, he failed..

Re: What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 00:22
by jpspice
jamamb wrote: 05 Sep 2018, 23:45 wut were your scores for ggg-canelo and ggg-jacobs
I had 114 - 113 for Jacobs despite the KD and I had Canelo and GGG a draw. I would actually give Canelo the edge but I feel like he copt out by not going for the KO. He was playing it safe and trying to fight like Mayweather. Not enough to take a belt IMO.

Re: What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 00:24
by jpspice
greg wrote: 06 Sep 2018, 10:02
caldo2025 wrote: 06 Sep 2018, 05:49 The only thing that Canelo could learn from Jacobs is to come into the ring 20 pounds more than GGG. That’s all that fight was about. GGG was a pro and made weight for IBF’s dumb day of weigh-in while Jacobs opted not to fight for the belt and to take the weight advantage instead.
..agree with that, Jacobs was a lot heavier and actually belonged to a different weight category which I classify as "self-serving legal cheating"..glad, he failed..
I still think Jacobs fought a great fight, and had he not, I bet GGG would've Knocked him out anyway.

Re: What Alavarez could learn from D.Jacobs

Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 00:29
by jpspice
Enlightened-One wrote: 06 Sep 2018, 07:35
jpspice wrote: 05 Sep 2018, 23:37As far as GGG goes, in order for him to claim a victory I think he just has to do what he always does (He won't change anything anyway) just do it better.
Golovkin started slowly against Canelo and allowed the Mexican to get work himself back into the bout during the later rounds.

GGG needs to be less hesitant from the get-go, start faster, throw slightly fewer speculative punches and also pace himself better.

The Kazakh didn’t do a lot wrong against Canelo first time out, but he won the middle rounds too clearly and faded slightly towards the final stages of the bout.

So if I was him, I’d focus on being more efficient, doing just enough to win the rounds and then selectively taking the foot off the gas to conserve my energy levels throughout the entirety of the bout.

A few small tweaks here-and-there could result in a dominant decision victory for the Kazakh.

GGG should not look for the KO against Canelo, because he could come unstuck, either by running out of gas or being too haphazard.
Many good points but don't you think that Canelo was catching GGG with some "respect gaining" shots everytime he tried to open up? I think canelo hit GGG harder than he had ever been previously.