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Jono Carroll
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 16:43
by Stuarty
Noticed earlier he's signed for Matchroom. Surprised it's taken so long tbh. I've been impressed with him since watching him winning the PF about 4 years back! Talented guy, plenty of charisma and heart as well! I'd favour him over the winner of Farmer v Tennyson (probably Farmer)...
How do you rate him and how far do you think he can go?
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 16:45
by Stuarty
Shite! Can a mod move this to B&I plz?
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 16:49
by gilgamesh
On it
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 16:52
by Stuarty
Cheers mate
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 19:17
by Oiky
Jono carroll can fight
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 19:46
by ElJefe
Stuarty wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 16:43
Noticed earlier he's signed for Matchroom.
Surprised it's taken so long tbh. I've been impressed with him since watching him winning the PF about 4 years back! Talented guy, plenty of charisma and heart as well! I'd favour him over the winner of Farmer v Tennyson (probably Farmer)...
How do you rate him and how far do you think he can go?
That's what I came in to say. You'd think a fan friendly Irishman would be snapped up by a promoter before now. He'll be in some wars that's for sure. He'd be in good fights with either Farmer or Tennyson, which seems to be what he's being lined up for.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 20:33
by world ranked
Stuarty wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 16:43
Noticed earlier he's signed for Matchroom. Surprised it's taken so long tbh. I've been impressed with him since watching him winning the PF about 4 years back! Talented guy, plenty of charisma and heart as well! I'd favour him over the winner of Farmer v Tennyson (probably Farmer)...
How do you rate him and how far do you think he can go?
The fact that you think he could beat Farmer means you think he's world class. He has beaten nobody of note to be considered world class.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 01:28
by Andrew
I'm sure he was with matchroom before and nothing happened hence why he went to Frank.
Anyway it does seem like they have a clear plan for him.
As for him being world level that is just way off, he should be fighting At British level first, eg Sam Bowen Ronnie Clark etc etc
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 06:04
by Stuarty
world ranked wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 20:33
Stuarty wrote: ↑07 Sep 2018, 16:43
Noticed earlier he's signed for Matchroom. Surprised it's taken so long tbh. I've been impressed with him since watching him winning the PF about 4 years back! Talented guy, plenty of charisma and heart as well! I'd favour him over the winner of Farmer v Tennyson (probably Farmer)...
How do you rate him and how far do you think he can go?
The fact that you think he could beat Farmer means you think he's world class. He has beaten nobody of note to be considered world class.
Doesn't mean to say he couldn't rise to the task on the night and beat a beatable belt holder in Farmer does it? He's got the style to give Farmer problems.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 06:06
by Stuarty
Naandrew wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 01:28
I'm sure he was with matchroom before and nothing happened hence why he went to Frank.
Anyway it does seem like they have a clear plan for him.
As for him being world level that is just way off, he should be fighting At British level first, eg Sam Bowen Ronnie Clark etc etc
Bowen and Clark are gonna be contesting the British title and Carroll can't fight for that being Irish. I'd give him a good chance against Farmer.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 06:14
by jamamb
for a guy billed as world class farmer really doesnt have a standout win...no one hes beat is near world class themselves
who are his best? itd pretty lackluster tbh, even his best are just a bunch of meh guys like redkack, the bad prescott, old gamiliel diaz whod won 1 of his last 6, shopworn billy dib already knocked out by grado and ktfo by miura etc. he was also stopped by pedraza , and he though defo improved hes not fought anyone that good since
i wouldnt pick carroll over him but hes not one to get high and mighty with with resumes, and fights arent won on resumes anyway
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 06:26
by jamamb
for perspective, the highest ranked guy farmer beat at the time by boxrec points was ivan redkach. thats not impressive at all. remember how zlaticanin annihilated that dude? remember how red couldnt beat luis cruz?
ppl go on about farmer rising from nothing, and fair play, but imo hes actually fortunate to have gotten his world title opportunities ...both against weak opponents too
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 06:28
by samwbr
How does Carroll (and others) keep getting around the beard rules?
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 06:53
by Stuarty
samwbr wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 06:28
How does Carroll (and others) keep getting around the beard rules?
Aye good question! It's a beard and a half!
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 14:59
by Colmohara
Tennyson fighting for World Title.
Carroll in final elim v Frenois to fight winner.
Yet the best super feather in Ireland has no luck. He'd beat both, Anthony Cacace.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 16:25
by world ranked
jamamb wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 06:14
for a guy billed as world class farmer really doesnt have a standout win...no one hes beat is near world class themselves
who are his best? itd pretty lackluster tbh, even his best are just a bunch of meh guys like redkack, the bad prescott, old gamiliel diaz whod won 1 of his last 6, shopworn billy dib already knocked out by grado and ktfo by miura etc. he was also stopped by pedraza , and he though defo improved hes not fought anyone that good since
i wouldnt pick carroll over him but hes not one to get high and mighty with with resumes, and fights arent won on resumes anyway
More fights are won on resume than fans of particular fighters with bias. No one outside of the UK would believe Carroll would beat farmer. Can he sure but to stay he would is not based on any merit. Even though Farmer doesnt have a big resume it is world tested not someone who were not even sure the best in Ireland.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 17:01
by daviddee
A very good example of what good hype will bring you.. A decent boxer who will lose against the first genuine British level fighter he goes in with. In my opinion Clark and Bowen would be far to much for him... However I do agree on everyone going after Farmer he is the weakest champion and can be hurt.. Good boxer but lacks snap reminds me of a poor mans Adrian Broner.. In saying that I think he will be too cute for Tennyson. Frenois v Carroll would be a great fight would favour Frenois wide points..
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 09 Sep 2018, 09:37
by Andrew
Stuarty wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 06:06
Naandrew wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 01:28
I'm sure he was with matchroom before and nothing happened hence why he went to Frank.
Anyway it does seem like they have a clear plan for him.
As for him being world level that is just way off, he should be fighting At British level first, eg Sam Bowen Ronnie Clark etc etc
Bowen and Clark are gonna be contesting the British title and Carroll can't fight for that being Irish. I'd give him a good chance against Farmer.
I think I've made the mistake of saying Carroll is British before
It's because he seems to fight in Belfast so often.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 09 Sep 2018, 09:40
by Andrew
jamamb wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 06:14
for a guy billed as world class farmer really doesnt have a standout win...no one hes beat is near world class themselves
who are his best? itd pretty lackluster tbh, even his best are just a bunch of meh guys like redkack, the bad prescott, old gamiliel diaz whod won 1 of his last 6, shopworn billy dib already knocked out by grado and ktfo by miura etc. he was also stopped by pedraza , and he though defo improved hes not fought anyone that good since
i wouldnt pick carroll over him but hes not one to get high and mighty with with resumes, and fights arent won on resumes anyway
People have different ways of defining "world level"
For me the only world level super featherweight are Berchelt and Machado.
I rate Bechelt highly but he has done nothing for a year. Machado beat Corrales who had beaten probably the best fighter in the division at that point ( Takashi Uchiyama)
I've made it clear on this forum I don't rate Gervonta Davis.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 09 Sep 2018, 10:04
by Stuarty
Naandrew wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 09:37
Stuarty wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 06:06
Naandrew wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 01:28
I'm sure he was with matchroom before and nothing happened hence why he went to Frank.
Anyway it does seem like they have a clear plan for him.
As for him being world level that is just way off, he should be fighting At British level first, eg Sam Bowen Ronnie Clark etc etc
Bowen and Clark are gonna be contesting the British title and Carroll can't fight for that being Irish. I'd give him a good chance against Farmer.
I think I've made the mistake of saying Carroll is British before
It's because he seems to fight in Belfast so often.
Aye he's been on the scene a while!
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 09 Sep 2018, 10:30
by JamieM
I like Jono Carroll but how he can get a final eliminator off the back of beating Declan Geraghty is beyond me. Goes to show that boxing is all about matchmaking and not skills. He hasn't even fought a top 10 fighter in the UK rankings yet. He's clearly being signed to fight on the Katie Taylor card. Boxing politics are insane
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 09 Sep 2018, 10:53
by Stuarty
JamieM wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 10:30
I like Jono Carroll but how he can get a final eliminator off the back of beating Declan Geraghty is beyond me. Goes to show that boxing is all about matchmaking and not skills. He hasn't even fought a top 10 fighter in the UK rankings yet. He's clearly being signed to fight on the Katie Taylor card. Boxing politics are insane
He's being signed off his own back Jamie. He's a fan friendly fighter and gives value for money.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 09 Sep 2018, 12:13
by world ranked
Naandrew wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 09:40
jamamb wrote: ↑08 Sep 2018, 06:14
for a guy billed as world class farmer really doesnt have a standout win...no one hes beat is near world class themselves
who are his best? itd pretty lackluster tbh, even his best are just a bunch of meh guys like redkack, the bad prescott, old gamiliel diaz whod won 1 of his last 6, shopworn billy dib already knocked out by grado and ktfo by miura etc. he was also stopped by pedraza , and he though defo improved hes not fought anyone that good since
i wouldnt pick carroll over him but hes not one to get high and mighty with with resumes, and fights arent won on resumes anyway
People have different ways of defining "world level"
For me the only world level super featherweight are Berchelt and Machado.
I rate Bechelt highly but he has done nothing for a year. Machado beat Corrales who had beaten probably the best fighter in the division at that point ( Takashi Uchiyama)
I've made it clear on this forum I don't rate Gervonta Davis.
I dont how you don't rate Gervonte unless you have bias or hate. There's no way someone can rate Jono Carroll but not rate Gervonte. To me you must not rated Pedraza or Walsh. That statement I can't understand. I believe Daiv s would wipe the floor with Machado. I think he beats Berchelt. But you rate Beltchelt who has stopped before against lower guys than Gervonte but you rate him. Thats absurd.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 09 Sep 2018, 16:15
by JamieM
He's signed to fight on the back off Katie Taylor. I like Jono but fact is he's been given the golden ticket off a win against Declan gerhaty. Boxing is a joke.
Re: Jono Carroll
Posted: 09 Sep 2018, 16:23
by samwbr
Berchelt v Davis is a good fight. Davis looked fat as fornicate ringside last night.