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First Spence says that Crawford hasn't fought anybody and that his resume is so superior, then Thurman saying Crawford is barely a champion. Politics aside, are those guys looking for an excuse to duck Crawford? If they feel they don't need to fight him, fine, they can just say nothing but why are they going out of there way to put down a top guy in the division?

He's an Arum fighter.

What other explanation is necessary?

Terence Crawford has recently renewed his deal with Top Rank/ESPN, which means he’s created a huge obstacle of his own making that restricts his ability to arrange bouts with fighters from other networks, such as those with the PBC/Showtime/Fox:

• Keith Thurman
• Errol Spence Jr.
• Shawn Porter
• Danny Garcia
• Jessie Vargas
• Yordenis Ugas
• Jamal James

This places Terence Crawford in a situation where he's only able to face a limited roster of fighters from Bob Arum’s stable, such as the likes of Egidijus Kavaliauskas and (I think) Jeff Horn.

And with Pacquiao’s recent lawsuit that was filed against Top Rank, due to non-payment of the US TV rights for the Matthysse bout, I don’t expect to see the Filipino legend fighter facing ‘Bud’ anytime soon, especially considering the likelihood that Manny can potentially engage in more lucrative bouts against Kell Brook or Amir Khan.

Coincidentally, Manny Pacquiao made a similar decision when he was with Bob Arum, when he renewed his own exclusive contract with HBO, by preferring to receive the huge sign-on bonus payment instead of facing other top-tier welterweights, resulting in the Filipino legend engaging in seven bouts against two fighters (i.e. Juan Manuel Marquez, Timothy Bradley Jr.), as well as participating in bouts against relatively anonymous fringe contenders.

If I was wearing Terence Crawford’s shoes, I’m not sure if I would have done anything different, but for a fighter proclaiming himself as the top-dog of the welterweight division, he’s placed himself in a situation where it’s going to be almost impossible to provide any justification for his boasts, since it’s clear that the pay cheque is more important to him.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 10:56
This places Terence Crawford in a situation where he's only able to face a limited roster of fighters from Bob Arum’s stable, such as the likes of Egidijus Kavaliauskas and (I think) Jeff Horn.

Or Queensberry guys

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 12:03

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 10:56
This places Terence Crawford in a situation where he's only able to face a limited roster of fighters from Bob Arum’s stable, such as the likes of Egidijus Kavaliauskas and (I think) Jeff Horn.

Or Queensberry guys

Agreed, but would the prospect of witnessing Terence Crawford share the ring with Queensberry guys like Bradley Skeete, Gary Corcoran, Sam Maxwell and Mason Cartwright really whet your appetite?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 12:06

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 12:03

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 10:56
This places Terence Crawford in a situation where he's only able to face a limited roster of fighters from Bob Arum’s stable, such as the likes of Egidijus Kavaliauskas and (I think) Jeff Horn.

Or Queensberry guys

Agreed, but would the prospect of witnessing Terence Crawford share the ring with Queensberry guys like Bradley Skeete, Gary Corcoran, Sam Maxwell and Mason Cartwright really whet your appetite?

I was gonna list them same names, ha! But I thought, hwo many names are are there really. Thanks.

And NO.. It's doesn't wet anything.

Spence is on Haymon's side of the street, but Haymon hasn't really been able to get his top welterweights in the ring with him either. Hearing him try to defend his own resumè really highlighted that fact. Hopefully Spence can get Porter next or give Ugas a shot. Chasing a lightweight like Mikey Garcia really doesn't make his argument for him. I think that fight will go away now that Haymon has more Showtime and Fox dates to fill and they aren't forced to pursue a PPV.

I think Crawford's team is looking at the big picture. They're basically mapped out for the next 16 months with the Benavidez fight, Kavaliauskas after that and then a mandatory. Not exactly big names but Crawford likely doesn't care. They're all undefeated. If they can't make the Spence fight (I can't see it happening anytime soon) they'll basically have the luxury of allowing Crawford to grow into the division even more, build his profile on ESPN and make some of the best money in the sport. By the time he's 32 Crawford and his promoter will have some decisions to make.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 10:23 He's an Arum fighter.

What other explanation is necessary?

Then why mention him at all? Why did Spence go out of his way to make Crawford look inferior?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 13:15

SenorPipino wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 10:23 He's an Arum fighter.

What other explanation is necessary?

Then why mention him at all? Why did Spence go out of his way to make Crawford look inferior?

In the eyes of mainstream casuals, Crawford and Spence Jr. are rivals and the best the division has to offer. They don't realise that Buds actions has likely scuppered the possibility of a PPV bout between the pair.

Spence Jr wants to be recognised as the best, but he can't face Crawford to prove it, so he does it vocally instead.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 14:01

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 13:15

SenorPipino wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 10:23 He's an Arum fighter.

What other explanation is necessary?

Then why mention him at all? Why did Spence go out of his way to make Crawford look inferior?

In the eyes of mainstream casuals, Crawford and Spence Jr. are rivals and the best the division has to offer. They don't realise that Buds actions has likely scuppered the possibility of a PPV bout between the pair.

Spence Jr wants to be recognised as the best, but he can't face Crawford to prove it, so he does it vocally instead.

Why Bud's action? Why not Spence who decided to remain with Haymon? When does Spence get to decide that Haymon can't work with Arum? They've worked together in the past. This fight brings in money.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 14:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 14:01

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 13:15

Then why mention him at all? Why did Spence go out of his way to make Crawford look inferior?

In the eyes of mainstream casuals, Crawford and Spence Jr. are rivals and the best the division has to offer. They don't realise that Buds actions has likely scuppered the possibility of a PPV bout between the pair.

Spence Jr wants to be recognised as the best, but he can't face Crawford to prove it, so he does it vocally instead.

Why Bud's action? Why not Spence who decided to remain with Haymon? When does Spence get to decide that Haymon can't work with Arum? They've worked together in the past. This fight brings in money.

Bud could've remained a free agent and opted to face any opponent of his own choosing on the highest bidding TV network.

He also could have joined a stable that contained the very best welterweights the division had to offer.

Instead he's chosen to remain with Top Rank/ESPN, probably for the one-off bonus payment he received when he extended his contract (similar to Pacquiao's contract extension with HBO, which was coincidentally orchestrated by Bob Arum).

Regardless of whatever you think of my stance, the fact remains is that the vast majority of the top-ten world-rated 147lb-ers are with the PBC.

And Bud tying himself to Top Rank/ESPN is going to make it harder for him to participate in bouts against Haymon's stable of fighters.

And that was a decision that Bud voluntarily made.

Errol Spence Jr. is not responsible Crawford's actions, but he is allowed to criticise them, even if you don't agree with his thoughts!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 17:24

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 14:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 14:01
In the eyes of mainstream casuals, Crawford and Spence Jr. are rivals and the best the division has to offer. They don't realise that Buds actions has likely scuppered the possibility of a PPV bout between the pair.

Spence Jr wants to be recognised as the best, but he can't face Crawford to prove it, so he does it vocally instead.

Why Bud's action? Why not Spence who decided to remain with Haymon? When does Spence get to decide that Haymon can't work with Arum? They've worked together in the past. This fight brings in money.

Bud could've remained a free agent and opted to face any opponent of his own choosing on the highest bidding TV network.

He also could have joined a stable that contained the very best welterweights the division had to offer.

Instead he's chosen to remain with Top Rank/ESPN, probably for the one-off bonus payment he received when he extended his contract (similar to Pacquiao's contract extension with HBO, which was coincidentally orchestrated by Bob Arum).

Regardless of whatever you think of my stance, the fact remains is that the vast majority of the top-ten world-rated 147lb-ers are with the PBC.

And Bud tying himself to Top Rank/ESPN is going to make it harder for him to participate in bouts against Haymon's stable of fighters.

And that was a decision that Bud voluntarily made.

Errol Spence Jr. is not responsible Crawford's actions, but he is allowed to criticise them, even if you don't agree with his thoughts!

Errol is just blowing smoke and making an excuse to duck Crawford. He mentioned in the same speech that he fought Chris Algeri who isn't a PBC fighter at all.

Who said that Top Rank can't work with Al Haymon? They have in the past if the money is there. Didn't Crawford fight Gamboa who was NOT with Top Rank at the time? Didn't Lomachenko, a Top Rank fighter fought Russell, a Haymon fighter with no problem? Didn't Spence fight Kell Brook, who is NOT a PBC fighter?


There has been MANY fights that involved fighters from different promotors:
Mayweather vs Pacauiao
Russell vs Lomachenko
How did Algeri fight both Pacquiao and Spence?
How did Vargas fight both Pacquiao and Broner?
Lomachenko vs Martinez
Spence Brook


So what's the excuse again?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02 Errol is just blowing smoke and making an excuse to duck Crawford. He mentioned in the same speech that he fought Chris Algeri who isn't a PBC fighter at all.

I’m not sure if I 100% agree with Errol Spence Jr’s comments about Chris Algieri, but if you review Bud’s resume, I’m not sure if any of Crawford’s opponents has fought as many big names as the New York native.

The last three bouts that Chris Algieri has participated in were all staged on PBC fight cards (i.e. Erick Bone, Amir Khan and Errol Spence Jr.).

Joe DeGuardia (Star Boxing), Algieri’s promoter, has established a close business relationship with Al Haymon, which is probably mutually-beneficial, because for Chris to continue facing the best available 147lb-ers, then the PBC is the easiest route to achieve that goal.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02 Who said that Top Rank can't work with Al Haymon? They have in the past if the money is there.

I never said a bout between Crawford and Spence Jr. would be impossible, but it will now be far more difficult to make.

Bob Arum has gone on record to state that he’s willing to work with Al Haymon, but it’s challenging, because the PBC are paying their fighters “insane purses”... his actual words!

I could be wrong but wasn’t Spence Jr. allegedly paid $3.5m for the Lamont Peterson bout? If I’m right (as my info. is based on ESPN reports), then when has Crawford ever commanded those sort of paydays?

Fox/Showtime/PBC will also have to come to some sort of agreement with Top Rank/ESPN for the ownership of the US TV rights, since "both sides of the street" are US TV content providers and also have exclusive deals with their own networks.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Didn't Crawford fight Gamboa who was NOT with Top Rank at the time?

Gamboa’s promoter, Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson, wasn’t a US network TV content provider. There were no US TV rights issues between rival networks to negotiate.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Didn't Lomachenko, a Top Rank fighter fought Russell, a Haymon fighter with no problem?

Golden Boy beat Top Rank for the purse bid, which meant that De La Hoya’s company automatically assumed ownership of the US TV rights, hence the reason why the bout was televised by Showtime rather than Arum’s HBO.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02There has been MANY fights that involved fighters from different promotors:
Mayweather vs Pacauiao

The reason why this fight took place five years later than fans hoped was because of the inability for HBO and Showtime to work with each other. Both sides faced a monumental struggle to reach a deal for the US TV rights.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Lennox Lewis’ 2002 bout against Mike Tyson was the only previous time Showtime and HBO had worked with each other (i.e. co-televised an event) in the thirteen years prior to the Mayweather-Pacquiao super-fight?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Russell vs Lomachenko

I already explained the reason for this, so why pose the same question twice?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02How did Algeri fight both Pacquiao and Spence?

As per the Crawford-Gamboa situation, Joe DeGuardia (Star Boxing), Algieri’s promoter, isn’t a US network TV content provider. There were no US TV rights issues between rival networks to negotiate.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02How did Vargas fight both Pacquiao and Broner?

This goes back to my previous assertion, with Bob Arum claiming that Haymon’s fighters being overpaid, because the PBC fighter, Jessie Vargas, received an “insane” $2.8m purse for for the Pacquiao bout. For the record, other PBC fighters rejected the opportunity to face Pacquiao, because they deemed Top Rank’s offer as being insufficient.

If we cater for inflation, then this means that Vargas received the same payday that Crawford was paid for his most recent outing (against Horn), which was Bud's career-best fight purse. And this is especially amazing considering Terence was being paid half that amount during 2016, despite being regarded (at the time of the Pacquiao-Vargas bout) as a member of the pound-for-pound elite.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Lomachenko vs Martinez

As per the Crawford-Gamboa situation, Puerto Rico Best Boxing, Martinez’s promoter, isn’t a US network TV content provider. There were no US TV rights issues between rival networks to negotiate.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Spence Brook

As per the Crawford-Gamboa situation, Matchroom, Brook’s promoter, wasn’t a US network TV content provider. There were no US TV rights issues between rival networks to negotiate. Kell Brook was not only the world champion at the time, but he was also proverbial A-side. Eddie Hearn has also promoted several PBC fighters throughout the years... and still does.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02So what's the excuse again?

There’s a common theme to almost every response I’ve supplied to your questions. Have you worked it out yet?

I’ll give you a hint using one of my infamous equations:

PBC/Fox/Showtime + Top Rank/ESPN = Fȕcking difficult fight to negotiate (“insane” purses + US TV rights)

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 04:26

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02 Errol is just blowing smoke and making an excuse to duck Crawford. He mentioned in the same speech that he fought Chris Algeri who isn't a PBC fighter at all.

I’m not sure if I 100% agree with Errol Spence Jr’s comments about Chris Algieri, but if you review Bud’s resume, I’m not sure if any of Crawford’s opponents has fought as many big names as the New York native.

The last three bouts that Chris Algieri has participated in were all staged on PBC fight cards (i.e. Erick Bone, Amir Khan and Errol Spence Jr.).

Joe DeGuardia (Star Boxing), Algieri’s promoter, has established a close business relationship with Al Haymon, which is probably mutually-beneficial, because for Chris to continue facing the best available 147lb-ers, then the PBC is the easiest route to achieve that goal.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02 Who said that Top Rank can't work with Al Haymon? They have in the past if the money is there.

I never said a bout between Crawford and Spence Jr. would be impossible, but it will now be far more difficult to make.

Bob Arum has gone on record to state that he’s willing to work with Al Haymon, but it’s challenging, because the PBC are paying their fighters “insane purses”... his actual words!

I could be wrong but wasn’t Spence Jr. allegedly paid $3.5m for the Lamont Peterson bout? If I’m right (as my info. is based on ESPN reports), then when has Crawford ever commanded those sort of paydays?

Fox/Showtime/PBC will also have to come to some sort of agreement with Top Rank/ESPN for the ownership of the US TV rights, since "both sides of the street" are US TV content providers and also have exclusive deals with their own networks.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Didn't Crawford fight Gamboa who was NOT with Top Rank at the time?

Gamboa’s promoter, Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson, wasn’t a US network TV content provider. There were no US TV rights issues between rival networks to negotiate.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Didn't Lomachenko, a Top Rank fighter fought Russell, a Haymon fighter with no problem?

Golden Boy beat Top Rank for the purse bid, which meant that De La Hoya’s company automatically assumed ownership of the US TV rights, hence the reason why the bout was televised by Showtime rather than Arum’s HBO.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02There has been MANY fights that involved fighters from different promotors:
Mayweather vs Pacauiao

The reason why this fight took place five years later than fans hoped was because of the inability for HBO and Showtime to work with each other. Both sides faced a monumental struggle to reach a deal for the US TV rights.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Lennox Lewis’ 2002 bout against Mike Tyson was the only previous time Showtime and HBO had worked with each other (i.e. co-televised an event) in the thirteen years prior to the Mayweather-Pacquiao super-fight?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Russell vs Lomachenko

I already explained the reason for this, so why pose the same question twice?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02How did Algeri fight both Pacquiao and Spence?

As per the Crawford-Gamboa situation, Joe DeGuardia (Star Boxing), Algieri’s promoter, isn’t a US network TV content provider. There were no US TV rights issues between rival networks to negotiate.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02How did Vargas fight both Pacquiao and Broner?

This goes back to my previous assertion, with Bob Arum claiming that Haymon’s fighters being overpaid, because the PBC fighter, Jessie Vargas, received an “insane” $2.8m purse for for the Pacquiao bout. For the record, other PBC fighters rejected the opportunity to face Pacquiao, because they deemed Top Rank’s offer as being insufficient.

If we cater for inflation, then this means that Vargas received the same payday that Crawford was paid for his most recent outing (against Horn), which was Bud's career-best fight purse. And this is especially amazing considering Terence was being paid half that amount during 2016, despite being regarded (at the time of the Pacquiao-Vargas bout) as a member of the pound-for-pound elite.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Lomachenko vs Martinez

As per the Crawford-Gamboa situation, Puerto Rico Best Boxing, Martinez’s promoter, isn’t a US network TV content provider. There were no US TV rights issues between rival networks to negotiate.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02Spence Brook

As per the Crawford-Gamboa situation, Matchroom, Brook’s promoter, wasn’t a US network TV content provider. There were no US TV rights issues between rival networks to negotiate. Kell Brook was not only the world champion at the time, but he was also proverbial A-side. Eddie Hearn has also promoted several PBC fighters throughout the years... and still does.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 23:02So what's the excuse again?

There’s a common theme to almost every response I’ve supplied to your questions. Have you worked it out yet?

I’ll give you a hint using one of my infamous equations:

PBC/Fox/Showtime + Top Rank/ESPN = Fȕcking difficult fight to negotiate (“insane” purses + US TV rights)

It goes to my original point. It's not Spence job to say what the promoters can and can't do. Maybe he needs a good PR expert but the "Whatever Al Haymon wants" is a better answer than "Who has Crawford fought to command a fight with me? He's resigned with Bob Arum." Spence didn't state that the fight could be possibly made at all. It's an agenda to cut Crawford out because they know that Crawford would beat them.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 04:26 I could be wrong but wasn’t Spence Jr. allegedly paid $3.5m for the Lamont Peterson bout? If I’m right (as my info. is based on ESPN reports), then when has Crawford ever commanded those sort of paydays?

Spence's base purse was listed lower by the commissions, but he himself claimed he would be paid $3.5m..

Spence, whose official purse was $1.2 million

Errol Spence Jr. turned down Golden Boy’s $2.5 million offer to fight Miguel Cotto

According to one of the sources, Spence was promised $3.5 million by Haymon for his next fight to stay with him. Spence didn't get into the specifics of the offer but said he was indeed offered a deal by Golden Boy and simply was not interested.

Spence said, "The offer was made from Golden Boy. I mean, everybody's been trying to get me if you're a promoter since I turned pro. And I just declined, I don't want a promoter right now. I feel like I'm starting my own promotional company, probably later next year and do my own thing. I'm already fighting on network [television], I'm already the main event, and I'm already getting great money. So I don't see what a promoter can offer me."

De La Hoya didn't believe it..

"3.5 million?"

"...I don't know against who."

" If he's making 3.5 million against Peterson, good luck."

"If I was promoting Spence, you don't think about the money first...the money will come...you want to build momentum."

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 10:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 04:26 I could be wrong but wasn’t Spence Jr. allegedly paid $3.5m for the Lamont Peterson bout? If I’m right (as my info. is based on ESPN reports), then when has Crawford ever commanded those sort of paydays?

Spence's base purse was listed lower by the commissions, but he himself claimed he would be paid $3.5m..

Spence, whose official purse was $1.2 million

Errol Spence Jr. turned down Golden Boy’s $2.5 million offer to fight Miguel Cotto

According to one of the sources, Spence was promised $3.5 million by Haymon for his next fight to stay with him. Spence didn't get into the specifics of the offer but said he was indeed offered a deal by Golden Boy and simply was not interested.

Spence said, "The offer was made from Golden Boy. I mean, everybody's been trying to get me if you're a promoter since I turned pro. And I just declined, I don't want a promoter right now. I feel like I'm starting my own promotional company, probably later next year and do my own thing. I'm already fighting on network [television], I'm already the main event, and I'm already getting great money. So I don't see what a promoter can offer me."

De La Hoya didn't believe it..

"3.5 million?"

"...I don't know against who."

" If he's making 3.5 million against Peterson, good luck."

"If I was promoting Spence, you don't think about the money first...the money will come...you want to build momentum."

I don't know what to believe. Your article simply quotes De La Hoya's bitter words, because he is Haymon's rival. I'm not saying he's wrong, mind you, but his scepticism cannot be considered fact, since he wasn't involved in the making of the Peterson-Spence bout.

I can, however, provide quotes to copious amounts of articles alleging that Spence Jr. was indeed paid $3.5m, which was supposedly done to deter Errol from signing-up with Golden Boy:

“I am told Haymon has promised him like $3.5M for his next fight, which is a lot of money for him to turn down and nowhere near what anyone else was offering him for a fight,” said Rafael in explaining why Spence isn’t signing with another promoter right now.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 09:57It goes to my original point. It's not Spence job to say what the promoters can and can't do. Maybe he needs a good PR expert but the "Whatever Al Haymon wants" is a better answer than "Who has Crawford fought to command a fight with me? He's resigned with Bob Arum." Spence didn't state that the fight could be possibly made at all. It's an agenda to cut Crawford out because they know that Crawford would beat them.

Well, regardless of your thoughts about Spence Jr, which you may or may not be right...

What cannot be questioned, however, is that Crawford's decision to renew his ties to Top Rank and ESPN has made it much harder for himself to engage in bouts against his top-tier world class 147lbs rivals.

Boxers are known as “PRIZE” fighters not “PRIDE” fighters, so I’m not surprised about Crawford preferring to receive a huge one-off bonus payment cheque to renew his contract with Top Rank, in preference to joining another stable, especially if the latter option didn’t give him the money he requires.

Sometimes financial goals take precedence over any sporting ambitions.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 11:08

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 10:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 04:26 I could be wrong but wasn’t Spence Jr. allegedly paid $3.5m for the Lamont Peterson bout? If I’m right (as my info. is based on ESPN reports), then when has Crawford ever commanded those sort of paydays?

Spence's base purse was listed lower by the commissions, but he himself claimed he would be paid $3.5m..

Spence, whose official purse was $1.2 million

Errol Spence Jr. turned down Golden Boy’s $2.5 million offer to fight Miguel Cotto

According to one of the sources, Spence was promised $3.5 million by Haymon for his next fight to stay with him. Spence didn't get into the specifics of the offer but said he was indeed offered a deal by Golden Boy and simply was not interested.

Spence said, "The offer was made from Golden Boy. I mean, everybody's been trying to get me if you're a promoter since I turned pro. And I just declined, I don't want a promoter right now. I feel like I'm starting my own promotional company, probably later next year and do my own thing. I'm already fighting on network [television], I'm already the main event, and I'm already getting great money. So I don't see what a promoter can offer me."

De La Hoya didn't believe it..

"3.5 million?"

"...I don't know against who."

" If he's making 3.5 million against Peterson, good luck."

"If I was promoting Spence, you don't think about the money first...the money will come...you want to build momentum."

I don't know what to believe. Your article simply quotes De La Hoya's bitter words, because he is Haymon's rival. I'm not saying he's wrong, mind you, but his scepticism cannot be considered fact, since he wasn't involved in the making of the Peterson-Spence bout.

I can, however, provide quotes to copious amounts of articles alleging that Spence Jr. was indeed paid $3.5m, which was supposedly done to deter Errol from signing-up with Golden Boy:

“I am told Haymon has promised him like $3.5M for his next fight, which is a lot of money for him to turn down and nowhere near what anyone else was offering him for a fight,” said Rafael in explaining why Spence isn’t signing with another promoter right now.

I explained that here in bold letters..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 10:24 According to one of the sources, Spence was promised $3.5 million by Haymon for his next fight to stay with him. Spence didn't get into the specifics of the offer but said he was indeed offered a deal by Golden Boy and simply was not interested.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 11:41

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 11:08

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 10:24

Spence's base purse was listed lower by the commissions, but he himself claimed he would be paid $3.5m..

Spence, whose official purse was $1.2 million

Errol Spence Jr. turned down Golden Boy’s $2.5 million offer to fight Miguel Cotto

According to one of the sources, Spence was promised $3.5 million by Haymon for his next fight to stay with him. Spence didn't get into the specifics of the offer but said he was indeed offered a deal by Golden Boy and simply was not interested.

Spence said, "The offer was made from Golden Boy. I mean, everybody's been trying to get me if you're a promoter since I turned pro. And I just declined, I don't want a promoter right now. I feel like I'm starting my own promotional company, probably later next year and do my own thing. I'm already fighting on network [television], I'm already the main event, and I'm already getting great money. So I don't see what a promoter can offer me."

De La Hoya didn't believe it..

"3.5 million?"

"...I don't know against who."

" If he's making 3.5 million against Peterson, good luck."

"If I was promoting Spence, you don't think about the money first...the money will come...you want to build momentum."

I don't know what to believe. Your article simply quotes De La Hoya's bitter words, because he is Haymon's rival. I'm not saying he's wrong, mind you, but his scepticism cannot be considered fact, since he wasn't involved in the making of the Peterson-Spence bout.

I can, however, provide quotes to copious amounts of articles alleging that Spence Jr. was indeed paid $3.5m, which was supposedly done to deter Errol from signing-up with Golden Boy:

“I am told Haymon has promised him like $3.5M for his next fight, which is a lot of money for him to turn down and nowhere near what anyone else was offering him for a fight,” said Rafael in explaining why Spence isn’t signing with another promoter right now.

I explained that here in bold letters..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 10:24 According to one of the sources, Spence was promised $3.5 million by Haymon for his next fight to stay with him. Spence didn't get into the specifics of the offer but said he was indeed offered a deal by Golden Boy and simply was not interested.

Sorry, I wasn't really arguing with you, instead I was commenting on Oscar's scepticism that you quoted.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 11:50

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 11:41

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 11:08
I don't know what to believe. Your article simply quotes De La Hoya's bitter words, because he is Haymon's rival. I'm not saying he's wrong, mind you, but his scepticism cannot be considered fact, since he wasn't involved in the making of the Peterson-Spence bout.

I can, however, provide quotes to copious amounts of articles alleging that Spence Jr. was indeed paid $3.5m, which was supposedly done to deter Errol from signing-up with Golden Boy:

“I am told Haymon has promised him like $3.5M for his next fight, which is a lot of money for him to turn down and nowhere near what anyone else was offering him for a fight,” said Rafael in explaining why Spence isn’t signing with another promoter right now.

I explained that here in bold letters..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Sep 2018, 10:24 According to one of the sources, Spence was promised $3.5 million by Haymon for his next fight to stay with him. Spence didn't get into the specifics of the offer but said he was indeed offered a deal by Golden Boy and simply was not interested.

Sorry, I wasn't really arguing with you, instead I was commenting on Oscar's scepticism that you quoted.

Oscar is sceptical of any other promoters. He is a snake in the grass in the mold of a 1980's Don King.