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OK so the last fight brought to light some obvious improvments such as stamina/conditioning and defence but we are still talking about a hot prospect here.
Still has 100% knockout rate, mixing with half decent opposition with youth on his side.

Do you think Haye has the potential to win a major world title. Baring in mind that the 190's are not the strongest division out there.

Haye has showed he can bang and with a pleasing style to watch....are these weaknesses shown serious enough to deny him a belt or can he bounce back and put it down to experience...?

If he can get himself together mentally, prepare properly, not underestimate his opponents etc.... there is no reason why he cant be a world champion. I believe he has the skills, and if he prepares correctly the physical attributes to go along way.

Not to sure if he can overcome his stamina problems, seemed to be really blowing after the first 2 rounds against Thompson, Maybe if he didn't load up so much that wouldn't of happened.

It may have been the burning of nervous energy, that can take alot out of you, also i would advise him to train in a proper gym, for the Thompson bout he had a training camp set up in a Hotel in Bournemouth i think. Whos idea was that!! Should have been in a boxing gym getting top sparring, not in some hotel with a load of people telling him how great he is. Look at the way Bernard Hopkins trains, he even moved out of his hotel suite into his trainers room to keep his mind focused on De La Hoya.

I hope Haye learns from his mistakes, i like him and have respect for him taking on Thompson. I can definetly see him operating on Europeon level, but may full short at the very top.

I think he has learnt an important lesson. I think he didn't learn it properly the first time he got knocked down, so he needed to lose to learn certain facts of the pro game.

Hopefully he can learn it and come back better, he is only young after all.

Jedi Knight wrote:OK so the last fight brought to light some obvious improvments such as stamina/conditioning and defence but we are still talking about a hot prospect here.
Still has 100% knockout rate, mixing with half decent opposition with youth on his side.

Do you think Haye has the potential to win a major world title. Baring in mind that the 190's are not the strongest division out there.

Haye has showed he can bang and with a pleasing style to watch....are these weaknesses shown serious enough to deny him a belt or can he bounce back and put it down to experience...?

He`s got a 100% KO rate at e level that any decent cruiser would have,very low opposition.........looked dreadful against a very faded Thompson,not just his stamina,defence,conditioning,chin that r the problems he cant fight in the trenches,doesn`t know how to survive and hits fresh air when loading up....no future!!!!!

What are peoples thoughts on Adam Booth as trainer?

Ulysses wrote:What are peoples thoughts on Adam Booth as trainer?

he's still unproven. He hasn't got a great deal of experience and that i think played a role in the Thompson fight. Haye was undefeated and in many respects Booth was. Haye came in with the wrong mindset...and Booth has to take some responsibility, ala Jim Mcdonnell

When Haye used his jab against Thompson he was knocking him off balance and it was bothering Carl, problem was he didn't start using it until he had already shot his load. The fight could have been a lot easier for him.

Haye can return if he really wants to and has the desire and strength of character to learn from his mistakes. He can come back a better fighter. If the Thompson lose doesn't teach him what he is doing wrong, nothing will.

Another unbeaten British banger Nigel Benn became a much better fighter after his lose to Micheal Watson, now it's time for Haye to show if he is made of the same stuff as The Dark Destroyer.

These days too much is made of an unbeaten record, maybe now that Haye has lost his '0' it will take some pressure off him.

I'd like to see haye go far. Remember, Thompson was 40 years of age and has a shaky chin, yet he thought Haye a lesson.

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:When Haye used his jab against Thompson he was knocking him off balance and it was bothering Carl, problem was he didn't start using it until he had already shot his load. The fight could have been a lot easier for him.

we all know if Haye fought at a slow pace, behind a jab, picking his shots carefully...he would of won comfortably. But he blew it, thinking he would blow him away in 3.

Needs to tuck his chin down, as I recall the puch that droppe him landed quite high on the head as did the kd punch against Mock and Hayes head was really rocked both times, the muscles in his neck are never tensed; he's never set to take a punch, he should know that by know, a change of trainer is perhaps needed.

KOJOE90 wrote:Another unbeaten British banger Nigel Benn became a much better fighter after his lose to Micheal Watson, now it's time for Haye to show if he is made of the same stuff as The Dark Destroyer.

Problem is, for all Haye's qualities, i don't think he has anywhere near the same fire as Benn. With Benn you could see how badly he wanted it, and how hungry he was. I just don't get the impression that Haye cares nearly as much as Benn did.

There is still a future for Haye though, although i don't think it'll be the glittering career that was initially promised. Despite the loss, i'd still pick him to beat guys like Maccarinelli and Hobson. And if he makes just a few of the improvements mentioned, he can definitely cut it at European level. His punch would be an equaliser against almost everyone.

To be brutally honest, whilst he can work on the stamina it is always going to be a weakness. With experience he will learn to pace a fight, but even in the amateurs his stamina was poor (stamina cost him in the worlds and on a Sky televised England vs USA show).

I also think alot of fighters (even at this early stage) will be encouraged by what they saw and fighters who most tipped Haye to beat easily (i.e. Swaby, Scott even Delaney) will be cueing up to face him now.

I think his next 3 fights are crucial for his development, If he comes through I can see him getting to the standard of retaining a lonsdale belt outright and challenging for the big world title, but never winning one I'm afraid.

The BBB OF C and everyone should now give proven distance quality fighters like Norton,Swaby,Scott presidence over Haye for title fights,and then they have in turn the right to have mandatories,therefore the immediate future is a case of where next,who next?Any of the above fighters could win or lose to him,but the truth is its a bleak view.Who r the BBC gonna bank roll for title fights while he learns to fight,even if they bank roll Thompson(which i cant see)its gonna take a long time to correct all the problems and the level he has set himself almot impossible to get through without losing.....politics,boxing weakneses in a few departments,The beeb,poor conditioning(which takes a long time and dedication to put right),arrogance are all his enemies even just to get to british level by which time Hobson will have moved on so no big fights even then.........and that doesnt even take into account all the prblems in the old whiskers department............aint a great view from here!!!

It wasn't a particularly devastating stoppage loss I thought. The reason he lost was so glaringly obvious that it must have given him hope for the future... but wait, it's not so simple with Haye since he seems to have a bit of an ego and might suffer the type of denial Alex Arthur did. If that's the case, he is unecessarily putting a cap on his potential acheivments.

It's depressing to say, but I agree with stu that stamina will likely always be a problem. Working on his conditioning and pacing will give him some degree of longevity, but he needs to start working harder now, and not giving up until he reaches the peak of his career. I don't think he's mentally capable of this, seems to have the glamour mindset to boxing rather than the graft one. For example, if he was in a grinder and survived to the later rounds, then got cut bad, I think he'd fold instead of being spurred on to get stuck in.

The defeat he suffered was probably the second best type a prospect can suffer, but is Haye the type to learn from it? I know he is meant to be intelligent, etc. But will ego cloud his judgement? I think with improvements he can make European level, and if his timing's right, briefly hold a 'big 3' belt.

After that loss Haye said something like "So i lost but it was an exciting fight for the fans to watch" - It might just be me but i think that attitude approach stinks. I think Haye needs to concentrate more on winning than giving us fans a good fight. I personally would rather see Haye in less interesting fights but go on and win titles, but thats my opinion, thing is David sometimes you have to think of yourself before others (ie the fans).

Who knows?

We are all just pissing in the wind. It will be very interesting to watch him comeback and see how he reacts to his first loss. Whilst Haye appeared to be putting a brave face on his loss in the post fighter interview, who knows how he really feels about it?

no-oine knows cos he wont speak to the friggin press been trying to get an interview for weeks before the fight and still am.

must admit I am wondering "why bother" though if that's the attitiude you know.

Shame.

Perhaps Haye may become the new Thompson? An exciting fighter who can bang but is suspect in the chin department...he needs to grow the lion heart though, that takes time

Foggy wrote:After that loss Haye said something like "So i lost but it was an exciting fight for the fans to watch" - It might just be me but i think that attitude approach stinks

I wouldn't read too much into what Haye said just after his first Pro lose, IMO. It was possibly just his way of coping and hiding any depressive feelings he may have been feeling.

When Nigel Benn lost to Eubank he said after the fight that he may now quit the sport. This of course did not happen.

Yeah when Haye said that he was definately trying to put a brave face on to hide his disappointment at the loss.