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Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 04:49
by ajwesty13
I'm not sure why people are so upset with last night's result?? It's crazy seeing people blasting the sport as a robbery or a joke.. The last 2 fights have been so close it's difficult to pick a winner... Robbery or a joke absolutely not we've had 2 outstanding and extremely close fights with 2 excellent fighters who fought 24 rounds and were probably only separated by a round or 2 ... The judges didn't ruin the sport of boxing it unfortunately seems as though the fans have ..
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 05:06
by jezzamundo
First fight was a clear win to GGG and a robbery. The rematch was far closer and could have gone either way.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 05:16
by Cent0089
Boxing is greatest sport in world. Unfortunately, boxing fans are one of the worst.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 05:20
by jamamb
so much hate in all sports. so many sports fans live through there favourite athletes/teams and take it as a blow to there own self when they dont get the result they wanted
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 05:21
by NateJR
First fight was close, GGG might have edged it, but a draw was clealry not a robbery. I thought Canelo did better in the second fight than GGG did in the first.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 05:26
by lillywhite14
I thought GGG was clear winner in first fight and didn’t lose last night either. He’s been very unlucky in both fights imo.
I like both fighters and won money last night betting on Canelo MD. If it was remotely close he was getting the nod.
I’m not a fan of everything that comes with Canelo. Favouritism is big with him, the Mayweather scoring was shocking for example, but that’s not Canelo’s fault. The juicing however...very, very poor from everyone involved.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 05:37
by Noxy
It’s just passion because it was a big fight with two top guys going at it. I thought GGG shaded it last night but a lot of rounds could have been scored either way.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 06:46
by Perseus
Cent0089 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 05:16
Boxing is greatest sport in world. Unfortunately, boxing fans are one of the worst.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 06:52
by jamamb
lol im not so sure about that, you should check out how much crap there is from fans in other sports, like i said, so many fans in all sports seem to be unable to stand back and seperate themselves from the outcomes
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 07:00
by candyslim
jezzamundo wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 05:06
First fight was a clear win to GGG and a robbery. The rematch was far closer and could have gone either way.
Absolutely right !
People were rightly furious about the first fight robbery which GGG won conclusively.
Many people including me, said Canelo would win the decision and were expecting another robbery. I had GGG winning 117 -116 but I fully accept it could have gone either way. It was no robbery.
If I were a less reasonable person I could be complaining it went down exactly as I predicted and screaming 'fix' but there was no robbery even if the van with the getaway-driver was parked up waiting just around the corner if called upon.
That's the reason some are up in arms.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 07:10
by Deadendgeneration
candyslim wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 07:00
jezzamundo wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 05:06
First fight was a clear win to GGG and a robbery. The rematch was far closer and could have gone either way.
Absolutely right !
People were rightly furious about the first fight robbery which GGG won conclusively.
Many people including me, said Canelo would win the decision and were expecting another robbery. I had GGG winning 117 -116 but I fully accept it could have gone either way. It was no robbery.
If I were a less reasonable person I could be complaining it went down exactly as I predicted and screaming 'fix' but there was no robbery even if the van with the getaway-driver was parked up waiting just around the corner if called upon.
That's the reason some are up in arms.
Hello David, how's the achilles doing?
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 07:14
by Perseus
jamamb wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 06:52
lol im not so sure about that, you should check out how much crap there is from fans in other sports, like i said, so many fans in all sports seem to be unable to stand back and seperate themselves from the outcomes
ONE of the worst, not THE worst.
In my experience Nascar fans are the worst, they are incapable of uttering a positive sentence about their sport.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 07:17
by jamamb
actually now that would be interesting, if i were some doctorate researcher or something id look into which sport has fans with the most negative feelings, maybe then they could find an objective way to rank sports by fan negativity and see what causes it more in some sports then others
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 07:20
by candyslim
Deadendgeneration wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 07:10
candyslim wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 07:00
jezzamundo wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 05:06
First fight was a clear win to GGG and a robbery. The rematch was far closer and could have gone either way.
Absolutely right !
People were rightly furious about the first fight robbery which GGG won conclusively.
Many people including me, said Canelo would win the decision and were expecting another robbery. I had GGG winning 117 -116 but I fully accept it could have gone either way. It was no robbery.
If I were a less reasonable person I could be complaining it went down exactly as I predicted and screaming 'fix' but there was no robbery even if the van with the getaway-driver was parked up waiting just around the corner if called upon.
That's the reason some are up in arms.
Hello David, how's the achilles doing?
Sorry, that went right over my head. Please explain without being so cryptic.
I mean I get the reference but why am I the Hayemaker?
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 17:02
by SenorPipino
It starts with some ancient anti-de La Hoya sentiment, extends to Golden Boy as a whole and then transfers to Canelo.
Fans also tend to despise the very cream of the profession, especially when that fighter isn't exactly "fan friendly."
Mayweather didn't pander to the public. He didn't care if you loved him or hated him. He had a job to do, and many resented that he did it so well.
Canelo is in the same situation. He's an excellent fighter. Now wealthy beyond the imagination of most, outside of Mayweather or Pacquiao.
Like Mayweather, Canelo makes no effort to embrace the fans. A former NBA basketball player, Benoit Benjamin, once famously said "I don't give a shit about the fans."
Canelo--sullen, often withdrawn publically and brooding---radiates the same attitude.
That never bothers me. I love my boxers who sport a chip on their shoulder and reflect an aura of resentment.
If you read the uninformed, savage social media comments, you can understand why they feel that way.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 17:28
by JCS
Neither fight was a robbery.
The only scoring problem in either fight was the 118-110 card from Byrd in the 1st fight.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 17:39
by squiggy
Keep in mind that currently 18% of respondents here think Canelo actually deserved the win. It was *in a sense* a fight that "could have gone either way" (that sense being that GGG's win was clear but still close), but the results reek of confirmation that boxing is such that the fight actually *couldn't* have gone either way, because if he wanted to, Canelo basically could have read a magazine in his corner for 12 rounds and still taken at least six rounds on the official cards.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 19:12
by boxing_rocks
JCS wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 17:28
Neither fight was a robbery.
The only scoring problem in either fight was the 118-110 card from Byrd in the 1st fight.
No. When judges give a round clearly won by one fighter to his opponent, it is a robbery if that one round made a difference. That happened with Trella giving round 7 of the first fight to Canelo and two judges giving him round 12 of the rematch.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 19:15
by JCS
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 19:12
JCS wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 17:28
Neither fight was a robbery.
The only scoring problem in either fight was the 118-110 card from Byrd in the 1st fight.
No. When judges give a round clearly won by one fighter to his opponent, it is a robbery if that one round made a difference. That happened with Trella giving round 7 of the first fight to Canelo and two judges giving him round 12 of the rematch.
Ok . On the microlevel I'll give you Rd 7 in the first fight..
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 20:44
by jezzamundo
JCS wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 19:15
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 19:12
JCS wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 17:28
Neither fight was a robbery.
The only scoring problem in either fight was the 118-110 card from Byrd in the 1st fight.
No. When judges give a round clearly won by one fighter to his opponent, it is a robbery if that one round made a difference. That happened with Trella giving round 7 of the first fight to Canelo and two judges giving him round 12 of the rematch.
Ok . On the microlevel I'll give you Rd 7 in the first fight..
Agree that Trella giving Canelo Rnd 7 resulted in the robbery of the first fight. Round 12 of the rematch was a swing round that could go either way, so no complaints there.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 16 Sep 2018, 22:15
by boxing_rocks
Two big uppercuts landed by Golovkin at the beginning and at the end of otherwise close round 12 made it a clear Golovkin round.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 17 Sep 2018, 05:09
by ajwesty13
SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 17:02
It starts with some ancient anti-de La Hoya sentiment, extends to Golden Boy as a whole and then transfers to Canelo.
Fans also tend to despise the very cream of the profession, especially when that fighter isn't exactly "fan friendly."
Mayweather didn't pander to the public. He didn't care if you loved him or hated him. He had a job to do, and many resented that he did it so well.
Canelo is in the same situation. He's an excellent fighter. Now wealthy beyond the imagination of most, outside of Mayweather or Pacquiao.
Like Mayweather, Canelo makes no effort to embrace the fans. A former NBA basketball player, Benoit Benjamin, once famously said "I don't give a poo about the fans."
Canelo--sullen, often withdrawn publically and brooding---radiates the same attitude.
That never bothers me. I love my boxers who sport a chip on their shoulder and reflect an aura of resentment.
If you read the uninformed, savage social media comments, you can understand why they feel that way.
I pretty much think you've nailed it...it's down to who is/was the fans and media favourite .. I felt the media whipped up a storm painting saul out to be the pantomime villain....
If you listen to uk bt sports the commentators were making you think.you were watching a different fight..
I don't see any kind of robbery in both of the the fights what i saw was 2 excellent and gripping bouts ... shame for others who are unable to appreciate them ..oh well it's their loss.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 17 Sep 2018, 08:36
by Deadendgeneration
candyslim wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 07:20
Deadendgeneration wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 07:10
candyslim wrote: ↑16 Sep 2018, 07:00
Absolutely right !
People were rightly furious about the first fight robbery which GGG won conclusively.
Many people including me, said Canelo would win the decision and were expecting another robbery. I had GGG winning 117 -116 but I fully accept it could have gone either way. It was no robbery.
If I were a less reasonable person I could be complaining it went down exactly as I predicted and screaming 'fix' but there was no robbery even if the van with the getaway-driver was parked up waiting just around the corner if called upon.
That's the reason some are up in arms.
Hello David, how's the achilles doing?
Sorry, that went right over my head. Please explain without being so cryptic.
I mean I get the reference but why am I the Hayemaker?
117-116 suggests you had 5 rounds even. Haye has a reputation for scoring a lot of even rounds.
Re: Why so much hate?
Posted: 17 Sep 2018, 09:00
by candyslim
Right. Thanks for explaining, you had me intrigued. I will always score a round even, if I think it's too close to call. If you pick one fighter because of an eye catching flurry at the end of the round (for example) you risk giving a round to the wrong guy and taking one away from the rightful winner i.e. a two point spread.
Call it even, and any injustice is kept to a minimum. That's how I see it. I make no apologies for that.