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And lighter than 240 / 230 pounds?

Povetkin belongs in the same category as 'small heavyweights' like Evander Holyfield (who was arguably even much bigger functionally, considering his far lower body fat percentage and far greater muscle mass), Mike Tyson, David Haye and etc. Povetkin is the only remaining 'elite' heavyweight that exists at the top level. The rest are all a bunch of SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS who are much bigger OVERALL in terms of height, weight, reach, muscle mass and etc. They aren't arguably as skilled, but because they are so much bigger, Povetkin's skill advantages are negated.

And Povetkin can also be considered the best, most successful and most accomplished 'small heavyweight' of the last decade.

But he appears to be the last of his kind. Is there anybody else of his kind that can at least reach elite level and be a top heavyweight, if not be a dominant heavyweight champion? If yes, who are the candidates?

This is of course, whilst having the foreknowledge that Povetkin has ABSOLUTELY 0% chance at beating Anthony Joshua and it is inevitable and a 100% GUARANTEED fact that Anthony Joshua is going to beat Alexander Povetkin.

After the inevitable / guaranteed defeat and total demolition of Povetkin, which other 'small heavyweight' can reach elite level, or even higher, if anybody can?

I won't say, he will be the last, but generally bigger guys will appear on the elite level, that's an abvious thing.

I know I've read some posters who claim Usyk would beat Joshua. I wonder how many people think Usyk will be an elite heavyweight and who also would vote "Yes" in this poll.

Lackeos wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 14:33 I know I've read some posters who claim Usyk would beat Joshua. I wonder how many people think Usyk will be an elite heavyweight and who also would vote "Yes" in this poll.

The size matters movement will never admit they're wrong.
There will be 6'3" dominant heavyweights again. A 3 or 4 inch height advantage has been conquered numerous times and will continue

povetkin isnt really small is he. 6'2 or so perhaps. of course midget heavyweights sometimes are so awkward to hit and and raise up from such a low angle. tyson, frazier, marciano, tua. these beasts would always cause a lot of damage, and beat all but the very biggest and most powerful. so of course another one of these will come along again at some point.

In case people don't remember Tyson beat guys that were 6'6 too. It's not impossible that a smaller Heavyweight can beat the so called "Super Heavyweights"...just takes the right style and level of talent to do it. We'll see another fighter capable of it at some point.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 14:39

Lackeos wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 14:33 I know I've read some posters who claim Usyk would beat Joshua. I wonder how many people think Usyk will be an elite heavyweight and who also would vote "Yes" in this poll.

The size matters movement will never admit they're wrong.
There will be 6'3" dominant heavyweights again. A 3 or 4 inch height advantage has been conquered numerous times and will continue

OK, whom are you referring to?

Height doesn't really matter. Weight does, of course assuming someone is in good shape. Actually an in shape HW can utilize being shorter to his advantage. The taller HW has to punch down at a smaller target.

Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier, Tyson all beat taller guys.

Lawrence Okolie's performance on the AJ-Povetkin undercard has been terribly disappointing so far. He looks really limited.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 14:56 Height doesn't really matter. Weight does, of course assuming someone is in good shape. Actually an in shape HW can utilize being shorter to his advantage. The taller HW has to punch down at a smaller target.

Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier, Tyson all beat taller guys.

Yeah. It's kinda funny that people act like just because they ain't seen it in a while it can never happen again. Hell there were Small Heavyweight Champions in the last 20 years for f*cks sake.

David Haye, Chris Byrd...these guys weren't giants, and they won titles.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:00

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 14:56 Height doesn't really matter. Weight does, of course assuming someone is in good shape. Actually an in shape HW can utilize being shorter to his advantage. The taller HW has to punch down at a smaller target.

Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier, Tyson all beat taller guys.

Yeah. It's kinda funny that people act like just because they ain't seen it in a while it can never happen again. Hell there were Small Heavyweight Champions in the last 20 years for f*cks sake.

David Haye, Chris Byrd...these guys weren't giants, and they won titles.

Which heavyweights do you currently consider as being "small"?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:04

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:00

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 14:56 Height doesn't really matter. Weight does, of course assuming someone is in good shape. Actually an in shape HW can utilize being shorter to his advantage. The taller HW has to punch down at a smaller target.

Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier, Tyson all beat taller guys.

Yeah. It's kinda funny that people act like just because they ain't seen it in a while it can never happen again. Hell there were Small Heavyweight Champions in the last 20 years for f*cks sake.

David Haye, Chris Byrd...these guys weren't giants, and they won titles.

Which heavyweights do you currently consider as being "small"?

None at the moment, but the question wasn't worded as "Now" the question was worded as "Ever"...Forever is a long time, and I do believe Usyk will be able to defeat some of the top Heavies going. Not sure if he'd fare well against Joshua, but I think he could beat the likes of Wilder and possibly Fury. I'd confidently pick him to beat Povetkin.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:04

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:00

Yeah. It's kinda funny that people act like just because they ain't seen it in a while it can never happen again. Hell there were Small Heavyweight Champions in the last 20 years for f*cks sake.

David Haye, Chris Byrd...these guys weren't giants, and they won titles.

Which heavyweights do you currently consider as being "small"?

None at the moment, but the question wasn't worded as "Now" the question was worded as "Ever"...Forever is a long time, and I do believe Usyk will be able to defeat some of the top Heavies going. Not sure if he'd fare well against Joshua, but I think he could beat the likes of Wilder and possibly Fury. I'd confidently pick him to beat Povetkin.

I am convinced that Usyk is capable to defeat all current top HWs. The only exception is Fury. Period.

ValMar wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:14

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:04
Which heavyweights do you currently consider as being "small"?

None at the moment, but the question wasn't worded as "Now" the question was worded as "Ever"...Forever is a long time, and I do believe Usyk will be able to defeat some of the top Heavies going. Not sure if he'd fare well against Joshua, but I think he could beat the likes of Wilder and possibly Fury. I'd confidently pick him to beat Povetkin.

I am convinced that Usyk is capable to defeat all current top HWs. The only exception is Fury. Period.

Fury's gonna get beat by Wilder. Stylistically he probably would present a bigger problem for Usyk than Wilder would, but he won't be the Champ anymore after Wilder smashes him.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:04

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:00

Yeah. It's kinda funny that people act like just because they ain't seen it in a while it can never happen again. Hell there were Small Heavyweight Champions in the last 20 years for f*cks sake.

David Haye, Chris Byrd...these guys weren't giants, and they won titles.

Which heavyweights do you currently consider as being "small"?

None at the moment, but the question wasn't worded as "Now" the question was worded as "Ever"...Forever is a long time, and I do believe Usyk will be able to defeat some of the top Heavies going. Not sure if he'd fare well against Joshua, but I think he could beat the likes of Wilder and possibly Fury. I'd confidently pick him to beat Povetkin.

There was a time when the world heavyweight champion weighed less than 200lbs.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:16

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:04
Which heavyweights do you currently consider as being "small"?

None at the moment, but the question wasn't worded as "Now" the question was worded as "Ever"...Forever is a long time, and I do believe Usyk will be able to defeat some of the top Heavies going. Not sure if he'd fare well against Joshua, but I think he could beat the likes of Wilder and possibly Fury. I'd confidently pick him to beat Povetkin.

There was a time when the world heavyweight champion weighed less than 200lbs.

And there was a time when one of those Champions dethroned a 6'5, 240 pound man to become Heavyweight Champion. If it could happen before. It can happen again. You'll certainly see a guy that's 210 or 220 pounds ascend to the top again. It's just gonna take a lot of talent for a guy to achieve that. That guy is out there somewhere, and we'll see it happen. Maybe not next year, maybe not even in the next 5 years, but somewhere, sometime it'll happen again. No doubt in my mind.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:19

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:16

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:05

None at the moment, but the question wasn't worded as "Now" the question was worded as "Ever"...Forever is a long time, and I do believe Usyk will be able to defeat some of the top Heavies going. Not sure if he'd fare well against Joshua, but I think he could beat the likes of Wilder and possibly Fury. I'd confidently pick him to beat Povetkin.

There was a time when the world heavyweight champion weighed less than 200lbs.

And there was a time when one of those Champions dethroned a 6'5, 240 pound man to become Heavyweight Champion. If it could happen before. It can happen again. You'll certainly see a guy that's 210 or 220 pounds ascend to the top again. It's just gonna take a lot of talent for a guy to achieve that. That guy is out there somewhere, and we'll see it happen. Maybe not next year, maybe not even in the next 5 years, but somewhere, sometime it'll happen again. No doubt in my mind.

Perhaps you'll be proven right, who knows for sure?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:28

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:19

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 15:16
There was a time when the world heavyweight champion weighed less than 200lbs.

And there was a time when one of those Champions dethroned a 6'5, 240 pound man to become Heavyweight Champion. If it could happen before. It can happen again. You'll certainly see a guy that's 210 or 220 pounds ascend to the top again. It's just gonna take a lot of talent for a guy to achieve that. That guy is out there somewhere, and we'll see it happen. Maybe not next year, maybe not even in the next 5 years, but somewhere, sometime it'll happen again. No doubt in my mind.

Perhaps you'll be proven right, who knows for sure?

I do.

Do you think people 100 years ago were capable of things we as a species aren't capable of now? It could happen before. It can happen again. 100% certainty when I say that.

How in hell did Okolie deserve that decision with 2 points off? Stinks! But askin obviously k ew it anyways

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 13:18 And lighter than 240 / 230 pounds?

Povetkin belongs in the same category as 'small heavyweights' like Evander Holyfield (who was arguably even much bigger functionally, considering his far lower body fat percentage and far greater muscle mass), Mike Tyson, David Haye and etc. Povetkin is the only remaining 'elite' heavyweight that exists at the top level. The rest are all a bunch of SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS who are much bigger OVERALL in terms of height, weight, reach, muscle mass and etc. They aren't arguably as skilled, but because they are so much bigger, Povetkin's skill advantages are negated.

And Povetkin can also be considered the best, most successful and most accomplished 'small heavyweight' of the last decade.

But he appears to be the last of his kind. Is there anybody else of his kind that can at least reach elite level and be a top heavyweight, if not be a dominant heavyweight champion? If yes, who are the candidates?

This is of course, whilst having the foreknowledge that Povetkin has ABSOLUTELY 0% chance at beating Anthony Joshua and it is inevitable and a 100% GUARANTEED fact that Anthony Joshua is going to beat Alexander Povetkin.

After the inevitable / guaranteed defeat and total demolition of Povetkin, which other 'small heavyweight' can reach elite level, or even higher, if anybody can?

Completely wrong. Povetkin was schooling that boy up until his age got to him. Man, too bad no one wanted to fight him when he was on that streak against Charr, Takam, etc. He would've stopped Joshua and Wilder on the same night.

pov was good . the fully ped verson vs wlder 2015/2016 woulda been an amazing fght

I think usyk will move up and be an elite lele 6'3 220'sish pound heavy weight.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 20:03

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 13:18 And lighter than 240 / 230 pounds?

Povetkin belongs in the same category as 'small heavyweights' like Evander Holyfield (who was arguably even much bigger functionally, considering his far lower body fat percentage and far greater muscle mass), Mike Tyson, David Haye and etc. Povetkin is the only remaining 'elite' heavyweight that exists at the top level. The rest are all a bunch of SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS who are much bigger OVERALL in terms of height, weight, reach, muscle mass and etc. They aren't arguably as skilled, but because they are so much bigger, Povetkin's skill advantages are negated.

And Povetkin can also be considered the best, most successful and most accomplished 'small heavyweight' of the last decade.

But he appears to be the last of his kind. Is there anybody else of his kind that can at least reach elite level and be a top heavyweight, if not be a dominant heavyweight champion? If yes, who are the candidates?

This is of course, whilst having the foreknowledge that Povetkin has ABSOLUTELY 0% chance at beating Anthony Joshua and it is inevitable and a 100% GUARANTEED fact that Anthony Joshua is going to beat Alexander Povetkin.

After the inevitable / guaranteed defeat and total demolition of Povetkin, which other 'small heavyweight' can reach elite level, or even higher, if anybody can?

Completely wrong. Povetkin was schooling that boy up until his age got to him. Man, too bad no one wanted to fight him when he was on that streak against Charr, Takam, etc. He would've stopped Joshua and Wilder on the same night.

Povetkin looked like a total feather fist in there, with the punching of a little girl. Maximum powered punches after maximum powered punches, flush on Joshua's chin / face / head and they just bounced off like absolutely nothing. It was the difference between a man and his 10 year old son. Joshua made Povetkin look like his little child.

Joshua took it easy on Povetkin and when he decided to finally end it, he landed just one flush punch on Povetkin and Povetkin's chin just shattered into multiple pieces.

Povetkin was exposed as a blown up light heavyweight in there. He could NEVER EVER beat Joshua. A serious Joshua blasts him out in the first round.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 20:51

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 20:03

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 13:18 And lighter than 240 / 230 pounds?

Povetkin belongs in the same category as 'small heavyweights' like Evander Holyfield (who was arguably even much bigger functionally, considering his far lower body fat percentage and far greater muscle mass), Mike Tyson, David Haye and etc. Povetkin is the only remaining 'elite' heavyweight that exists at the top level. The rest are all a bunch of SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS who are much bigger OVERALL in terms of height, weight, reach, muscle mass and etc. They aren't arguably as skilled, but because they are so much bigger, Povetkin's skill advantages are negated.

And Povetkin can also be considered the best, most successful and most accomplished 'small heavyweight' of the last decade.

But he appears to be the last of his kind. Is there anybody else of his kind that can at least reach elite level and be a top heavyweight, if not be a dominant heavyweight champion? If yes, who are the candidates?

This is of course, whilst having the foreknowledge that Povetkin has ABSOLUTELY 0% chance at beating Anthony Joshua and it is inevitable and a 100% GUARANTEED fact that Anthony Joshua is going to beat Alexander Povetkin.

After the inevitable / guaranteed defeat and total demolition of Povetkin, which other 'small heavyweight' can reach elite level, or even higher, if anybody can?

Completely wrong. Povetkin was schooling that boy up until his age got to him. Man, too bad no one wanted to fight him when he was on that streak against Charr, Takam, etc. He would've stopped Joshua and Wilder on the same night.

Povetkin looked like a total feather fist in there, with the punching of a little girl. Maximum powered punches after maximum powered punches, flush on Joshua's chin / face / head and they just bounced off like absolutely nothing. It was the difference between a man and his 10 year old son. Joshua made Povetkin look like his little child.

Joshua took it easy on Povetkin and when he decided to finally end it, he landed just one flush punch on Povetkin and Povetkin's chin just shattered into multiple pieces.

Povetkin was exposed as a blown up light heavyweight in there. He could NEVER EVER beat Joshua. A serious Joshua blasts him out in the first round.

What the f*ck fight were you watching? He stunned Joshua noticeably more than once, and was clearly giving him hell. You strike me as a troll because I have a hard time believing anybody is this stupid.

gregregegg wrote: ↑22 Sep 2018, 20:15 I think usyk will move up and be an elite lele 6'3 220'sish pound heavy weight.

He's not a big puncher so his speed, and movement will be his biggest asset at Heavyweight. He shouldn't ever weigh more than 210 or 215 considering that. Maybe even 205.