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I'm disappointed. Anyway Andrade vs Lemieux for the WBO mw title would be a good fight if WBO decide to strip BJS.

Hardly a surprise that BJS felt he needed a boost for such a tough opponent.

Too depressing for words

Did we need the second thread on that?

what a gutter

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Sep 2018, 14:19 Did we need the second thread on that?

Probably not but at least it is a second, and not an eleventh, like tend to spring up after a big fight

After a struggling with a guy like Artur Akavov and a snoozefest with Monroe Jr, BJS found the remedy to look like FMJ against Lemieux, who by the way KTFO'ed O'Sullivan in one round.

Ah yeah, BJS needed to snort a stimulant in the locker room in order to beat Lemieux, nothing to do with styles make fights or anything.

Reports I've seen say that the fight is still on for October 20 vs Andrade:

https://fightnews.com/billy-joe-saunder ... ment/30862

Following reports of an adverse analytical finding in a test carried out by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (“VADA”) on WBO World Middleweight Champion, Billy Joe Saunders, we can confirm that the product concerned is permitted to be used ‘Out of Competition’ by United Kingdom Anti-Doping (“UKAD”) in line with the regulations of the World Anti-Doping Agency (“WADA”).

For the avoidance of doubt, the product in question was a common decongestant nasal spray. The British Boxing Board of Control (“BBBofC”) under whose jurisdiction Billy Joe Saunders is licensed are affiliated only to UKAD/WADA. Today the BBBofC have confirmed that Mr Saunders is not in breach of BBBofC or UKAD anti-doping regulations and is therefore in good standing and is licensed to box and defend his World Title on October 20th.

Is the WBO threatening to strip him? BJS's record on BoxRec shows WBO as being still on the line.

Best Coast wrote: ↑28 Sep 2018, 20:05 Reports I've seen say that the fight is still on for October 20 vs Andrade:

https://fightnews.com/billy-joe-saunder ... ment/30862

Following reports of an adverse analytical finding in a test carried out by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (“VADA”) on WBO World Middleweight Champion, Billy Joe Saunders, we can confirm that the product concerned is permitted to be used ‘Out of Competition’ by United Kingdom Anti-Doping (“UKAD”) in line with the regulations of the World Anti-Doping Agency (“WADA”).

For the avoidance of doubt, the product in question was a common decongestant nasal spray. The British Boxing Board of Control (“BBBofC”) under whose jurisdiction Billy Joe Saunders is licensed are affiliated only to UKAD/WADA. Today the BBBofC have confirmed that Mr Saunders is not in breach of BBBofC or UKAD anti-doping regulations and is therefore in good standing and is licensed to box and defend his World Title on October 20th.

Is the WBO threatening to strip him? BJS's record on BoxRec shows WBO as being still on the line.

Yet I wonder what would have to say Andrade about fighting a geared up opponent ?

That's a pity indeed. BJS is a talented competitor, but he's kinda blowing his career, as he's not pretty active due to different causes.

DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 03:47 That's a pity indeed. BJS is a talented competitor, but he's kinda blowing his career, as he's not pretty active due to different causes.

Is his own fault. Look at Munguia , he's fighting non-stop.

Bbboc haven’t stripped him, as this stimulant is only illegal in competition, which I understand is fight night. Bbboc are affiliated with WADA and of course ukad. Not VADA

So all things remaining equal hes still champ and the fight vs andrade still happens

I’m not a Saunders fan, but the references to the Lemieux fight in this thread are laughable.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 04:45 Bbboc haven’t stripped him, as this stimulant is only illegal in competition, which I understand is fight night. Bbboc are affiliated with WADA and of course ukad. Not VADA

So all things remaining equal hes still champ and the fight vs andrade still happens

I’m not a Saunders fan, but the references to the Lemieux fight in this thread are laughable.

Lemieux is a top mw. He would stretch out a guy like Artur Akavov or Monroe Jr.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 04:45 Bbboc haven’t stripped him, as this stimulant is only illegal in competition, which I understand is fight night. Bbboc are affiliated with WADA and of course ukad. Not VADA

So all things remaining equal hes still champ and the fight vs andrade still happens

I’m not a Saunders fan, but the references to the Lemieux fight in this thread are laughable.

Bbboc has nothing to do with this fight. The decision about allowing the fight will be made by Massachusetts commission on October 8th, and WBO will likely strip Saunders if the fight is not allowed.

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 10:07

Ossyrules wrote: ↑29 Sep 2018, 04:45 Bbboc haven’t stripped him, as this stimulant is only illegal in competition, which I understand is fight night. Bbboc are affiliated with WADA and of course ukad. Not VADA

So all things remaining equal hes still champ and the fight vs andrade still happens

I’m not a Saunders fan, but the references to the Lemieux fight in this thread are laughable.

Lemieux is a top mw. He would stretch out a guy like Artur Akavov or Monroe Jr.

Lemieux isn’t a top mw. Any of the top guys who can box dismantle him. However if you can’t box then his power puts you away.

It’s a completely redundant ooont anyway as they are completely different styles, it’s bears no boxing comparison

hearn (the events promoter) clams all comes down to massachusets decson and that prob 50-50 to whether goes ahead for the belt. my guess is it will

that 'report' gong around is a press release from team bjs btw

According to the BBBofC, UKAD and WADA, Saunders hasn't done anything wrong, so they're unable to suspend him.

VADA disagrees, but they never suspend fighters, as it's not in their remit.

Neither the WBO nor the MSAC have imposed any sort of punishment yet on Saunders.

It is interesting to note that the Massachusetts State Athletic Commission adheres to the WADA code.

Under World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) and Ukad rules, oxilofrine is only banned in competition, while it is prohibited at all times by Vada.

So the MSAC have to decide whether to adhere to the WADA code or VADA's rulebook, by deciding if Saunders somehow gained an unfair advantage by consuming oxilofrine out of competition.

One could easily argue that Saunders deserves to be punished, because he agreed to be tested by VADA and also follow their rules. He should have understood and adhered to those rules by refraining from consuming oxilofrine out of competition.

However, the BBBofC, Ukad and Wada believe that Saunders hasn't done anything wrong, which brings into question the validity of Vada's rules about oxilofrine. If Vada is wrong about the use of oxilofrine, and let's face it, they definitely hold an opinion that is in the minority, then Billy Joe should not be punished.

This must be the first time something like this has happened? I've seen a situation like this before.