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"Errol Spence Expects To Eventually Move To 154, 160 Too"

IBF welterweight champion Errol Spence (24-0, 21 KOs) is expecting to move up, eventually, to the junior middleweight division and then to the middleweight ranks.

He wants to remain at welterweight for at least another two years, as there are numerous big names at the weight.

Spence is likely on the horizon for high stakes unification with WBC champion Shawn Porter, who last month won a twelve round decision over Danny Garcia at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York.

Another fight being discussed for the immediate future, is a Showtime Pay-Per-View clash with four division champion Mikey Garcia, who wants to move up by twelve rounds to challenge Spence for his belt.

And the biggest fight for Spence in the future, is a showdown with WBO welterweight champion Terence Crawford.

Spence is planning to wait until his close friend, WBC junior middleweight champion Jermell Charlo, moves up to middleweight - where twin brother Jermall Charlo is already a rising force.

Spence believes his max weight will be 160-pounds, but he doesn't rule out the possibility of heading as high as the super middleweight limit of 168 - if the right world title fight presents itself.

"I’m definitely going to move up, and I feel that Jermell’s gonna move up pretty soon after he does what he has to do at 154, like after he fights [division counterpart and WBA, IBF, IBO champion] Jarrett Hurd and gets all of the belts. But I’ve still got a lot left to handle at 147 right now," Spence said to Premier Boxing Champions.

"So I won’t be moving up for probably the next two years. If there’s a money fight at 154, I’ll move up earlier. I’m thinking about going as high as 160, and if there’s a smaller guy that wins a belt at 168, then I can probably do that. But I think I’ll stay at 160."

Thoughts?

If Errol Spence Jr. does make the jump to 154lbs and/or 160lbs, I truly doubt that we’ll see him engage in bouts against his very close friends the Charlo twins.

He's a got the height and build to carry another 13 pounds on fight night.
I think he will be successful

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 09:15 If Errol Spence Jr. does make the jump to 154lbs and/or 160lbs, I truly doubt that we’ll see him engage in bouts against his very close friends the Charlo twins.

What makes you think the Charlo twins are even the end-all-be-all of the divisions? Well, 154 lbs. is currently weak so you might have a point, but the one at 160 lbs. hasn't even faced any of the monsters there.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 14:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 09:15 If Errol Spence Jr. does make the jump to 154lbs and/or 160lbs, I truly doubt that we’ll see him engage in bouts against his very close friends the Charlo twins.

What makes you think the Charlo twins are even the end-all-be-all of the divisions? Well, 154 lbs. is currently weak so you might have a point, but the one at 160 lbs. hasn't even faced any of the monsters there.

In a couple of years time, based on their youth, Canelo and both Charlo's could be all be classed amongst the top-five middleweights.

And for the record, I never claimed that the Charlo's would be considered as the "end-all-be-all" of the 154lbs and 160lbs divisions.

If you think I did, then please quote my words.

Please challenge my actual words rather than attacking a horrendously misrepresented version of my stance.

i think he can be a top fighter all the way up to 160. so id like to see him move up eventually and face bigger guys, esp. if hes struggling to get good fights at ww. i kinda wonder if that time might actually be very soon

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 14:25

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 14:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 09:15 If Errol Spence Jr. does make the jump to 154lbs and/or 160lbs, I truly doubt that we’ll see him engage in bouts against his very close friends the Charlo twins.

What makes you think the Charlo twins are even the end-all-be-all of the divisions? Well, 154 lbs. is currently weak so you might have a point, but the one at 160 lbs. hasn't even faced any of the monsters there.

In a couple of years time, based on their youth, Canelo and both Charlo's could be all be classed amongst the top-five middleweights.

And for the record, I never claimed that the Charlo's would be considered as the "end-all-be-all" of the 154lbs and 160lbs divisions.

If you think I did, then please quote my words.

Please challenge my actual words rather than attacking a horrendously misrepresented version of my stance.

Why bring them up as if it matters if Errol Spence Jr. fights either of them at this point then? I'd be more worried if he couldn't fight the Derevyanchenko/Jacobs winner.

I hope spence fights the big names at his respective division and then moves up and does likewise

He appears to have the physique to move up a couple of divisions.

Boxing needs the big fights though, not another big name moving between divisions and not fighting the best opponents

Ossyrules wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 14:57 I hope spence fights the big names at his respective division and then moves up and does likewise

He appears to have the physique to move up a couple of divisions.

Boxing needs the big fights though, not another big name moving between divisions and not fighting the best opponents

If the big names don't fight Spence at WW- I won't be holding Spence accountable for it. Literally no one (of consequence) has called him out since the Brook fight. Only Garcia is showing any interest in his belt so far.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 15:12

Ossyrules wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 14:57 I hope spence fights the big names at his respective division and then moves up and does likewise

He appears to have the physique to move up a couple of divisions.

Boxing needs the big fights though, not another big name moving between divisions and not fighting the best opponents

If the big names don't fight Spence at WW- I won't be holding Spence accountable for it. Literally no one (of consequence) has called him out since the Brook fight. Only Garcia is showing any interest in his belt so far.

Fair comment. His time at the top of 147 is still young though. There’s still work to do

Two more years at WW sounds good. That will give Spence enough time to fight a good number of the many top-notch welters!!

If he allows himself to grow naturally into 154 and 160 he has a great chance to be a 3-division world champ, quite possibly unifying some world belts at 154 and maybe even 160.

Best Coast wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 19:56 Two more years at WW sounds good. That will give Spence enough time to fight a good number of the many top-notch welters!!

If he allows himself to grow naturally into 154 and 160 he has a great chance to be a 3-division world champ, quite possibly unifying some world belts at 154 and maybe even 160.

He's already a full blown 154 lber. He an enormous WW. No need to grow. He could fight there now. Hell, Thurman was effective at that weight, and he's a little smaller than Spence.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 20:48

Best Coast wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 19:56 Two more years at WW sounds good. That will give Spence enough time to fight a good number of the many top-notch welters!!

If he allows himself to grow naturally into 154 and 160 he has a great chance to be a 3-division world champ, quite possibly unifying some world belts at 154 and maybe even 160.

He's already a full blown 154 lber. He an enormous WW. No need to grow. He could fight there now. Hell, Thurman was effective at that weight, and he's a little smaller than Spence.

My point is that the natural weight gain that most athletes experience between ages 28-30 will make it VERY difficult for a 30-year-old Spence to fight at 147 without being seriously drained by making that weight. Two years from now those vicious Spence body shots wont have the same impact at 147 as they do now. Being a student of the game, that's why he knows that 2 years from now is a good time to move up.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 14:31

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 14:25

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 14:06

What makes you think the Charlo twins are even the end-all-be-all of the divisions? Well, 154 lbs. is currently weak so you might have a point, but the one at 160 lbs. hasn't even faced any of the monsters there.

In a couple of years time, based on their youth, Canelo and both Charlo's could be all be classed amongst the top-five middleweights.

And for the record, I never claimed that the Charlo's would be considered as the "end-all-be-all" of the 154lbs and 160lbs divisions.

If you think I did, then please quote my words.

Please challenge my actual words rather than attacking a horrendously misrepresented version of my stance.

Why bring them up as if it matters if Errol Spence Jr. fights either of them at this point then? I'd be more worried if he couldn't fight the Derevyanchenko/Jacobs winner.

I mentioned Spence Jr's likely refusal to face the Charlo twins, because if he does make the jump to higher weight classes, such as 154lbs and/or 160lbs, he'll probably be competing in the same division(s) as his best buddies.

They'll technically be his rivals and fight fans would be clamouring to see Spence Jr. facing Jermall and Jermell, but it won't happen.

Are they that close, i get real brothers not willing to fight each other, but never heard... yeah tyson said he wouldn't have fought bowe cause they are friends, but i doubt if millions of dollars are on the table and everybody wants to see them fight... are they really that close?

adislav123 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 17:38 Are they that close, i get real brothers not willing to fight each other, but never heard... yeah tyson said he wouldn't have fought bowe cause they are friends, but i doubt if millions of dollars are on the table and everybody wants to see them fight... are they really that close?

They are really close. The trio refer to each other as “brothers”… and not in the context often used in African American slang either. They socialise and spar each other also. They came through the amateurs together and were often roommates.

I don’t know for certain if a huge offer would tempt them to engage in a real fight, because money is often very persuasive enough to change minds, but I do make my claim based on what these guys have stated during several interviews.

I’d rather not see these guys fight, because they seem to be at least as close as Maurice Blocker and Simon Brown. And if you’ve seen the emotional aftermath of that fight, sometimes friendship should mean far more than money, especially considering the Charlo’s and Spence Jr. are already multi-millionaires.