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lol should i feel bad for thinking bean could actually throw a decent overhand right

and louis, man, was there ever a sharper hw puncher? especially with the short shots

jamamb wrote: ↑05 Oct 2018, 20:08 lol should i feel bad for thinking bean could actually throw a decent overhand right

I wouldn't want to be hit by it. He had a few decent punches, though once he got up to 400Ibs his fat got in the way of his punches.

Someone made a thread elsewhere, and this video happened. All in good fun.

You must really hate Bean Louis would have stopped him inside of 60 seconds

Joe was way too slick and fast for Bean, But,,,,,,,, There is a Heavyweight in History that would be able to take a perfect shot from the Bean on the Jaw and stay upright.
The problem was that the Bean didn't have the skill to land those shots against a decent boxer,,, but boy when he did,,,,
Butterbean Vs Galento for 8 rounds,, now THATS a fight!

Galento was no bum. He was absolutely brutal and had many notable wins against legitimate contenders like Lou Nova. Esch would have gotten eaten up and spit out by Galento.

Really the win over Novas was his only notable win, and he got away with a lot fouling in that one. He was a stiff.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑08 Oct 2018, 01:01 Galento was no bum. He was absolutely brutal and had many notable wins against legitimate contenders like Lou Nova. Esch would have gotten eaten up and spit out by Galento.

I think it actually would have been competitive. Galento was not overly blessed with boxing skills, he was (much like Butterbean) a fella with a hell of a kick. And Butterbean was a bit bigger, and Eric was no girly man in his ability to absorb punishment. I might take the Bean on a bet in this one.

Not against Louis......he'd be sliced and diced just like Galento......but against Galento.....that's a pick'em.

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑12 Oct 2018, 20:16

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑08 Oct 2018, 01:01 Galento was no bum. He was absolutely brutal and had many notable wins against legitimate contenders like Lou Nova. Esch would have gotten eaten up and spit out by Galento.

I think it actually would have been competitive. Galento was not overly blessed with boxing skills, he was (much like Butterbean) a fella with a hell of a kick. And Butterbean was a bit bigger, and Eric was no girly man in his ability to absorb punishment. I might take the Bean on a bet in this one.

Not against Louis......he'd be sliced and diced just like Galento......but against Galento.....that's a pick'em.

I disagree. But that's okay Galento had one of the hardest left hooks of all time in heavyweight history, and he was one of the dirtiest fighters in MQ rules history. He had a decent jab, believe it or not, and he was incredibly tough and incredibly strong and well conditioned--- the fact that Esch could do absolutely NOTHING with an ancient, well passed his prime, inactive Larry Holmes, and the fact that Galento defeated several top notch contenders, shows the universal disparity between the two men.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑12 Oct 2018, 20:24

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑12 Oct 2018, 20:16

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑08 Oct 2018, 01:01 Galento was no bum. He was absolutely brutal and had many notable wins against legitimate contenders like Lou Nova. Esch would have gotten eaten up and spit out by Galento.

I think it actually would have been competitive. Galento was not overly blessed with boxing skills, he was (much like Butterbean) a fella with a hell of a kick. And Butterbean was a bit bigger, and Eric was no girly man in his ability to absorb punishment. I might take the Bean on a bet in this one.

Not against Louis......he'd be sliced and diced just like Galento......but against Galento.....that's a pick'em.

I disagree. But that's okay Galento had one of the hardest left hooks of all time in heavyweight history, and he was one of the dirtiest fighters in MQ rules history. He had a decent jab, believe it or not, and he was incredibly tough and incredibly strong and well conditioned--- the fact that Esch could do absolutely NOTHING with an ancient, well passed his prime, inactive Larry Holmes, and the fact that Galento defeated several top notch contenders, shows the universal disparity between the two men.

IIRC Jack Dempsey actually thought Galento had potential, and got Ray Arcel to train him, but he was lazy and would not put the effort in, and I think it ended with Dempsey stripping to his underwear and beating him up before telling him to go away.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑14 Oct 2018, 19:35

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑12 Oct 2018, 20:24

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑12 Oct 2018, 20:16

I think it actually would have been competitive. Galento was not overly blessed with boxing skills, he was (much like Butterbean) a fella with a hell of a kick. And Butterbean was a bit bigger, and Eric was no girly man in his ability to absorb punishment. I might take the Bean on a bet in this one.

Not against Louis......he'd be sliced and diced just like Galento......but against Galento.....that's a pick'em.

I disagree. But that's okay Galento had one of the hardest left hooks of all time in heavyweight history, and he was one of the dirtiest fighters in MQ rules history. He had a decent jab, believe it or not, and he was incredibly tough and incredibly strong and well conditioned--- the fact that Esch could do absolutely NOTHING with an ancient, well passed his prime, inactive Larry Holmes, and the fact that Galento defeated several top notch contenders, shows the universal disparity between the two men.

IIRC Jack Dempsey actually thought Galento had potential, and got Ray Arcel to train him, but he was lazy and would not put the effort in, and I think it ended with Dempsey stripping to his underwear and beating him up before telling him to go away.

lol

Joe Louis, mind you, said Galento could have been champion of the world in the era of John L. Sullivan because the way Galento fought, etc was more in line with that era--- so if Louis thought Galento was something, and Dempsey didn't--- it goes to show you that there was something amiss there. Dempsey had his hand in almost every contender's pocket (ie, Baer & Schmeling) and I don't know if I can believe Dempsey in his 40's whipping Galento when Dempsey couldn't lay a glove on Kingfish Levinsky in around the same time period.

Well maybe he thought Levinsky was better than Galento.

Would like how to know Dempsey had a hand in almost every contender's (i.e. Baer and Schmeling) pocket.

Saying Galento would have been champion in Sullivan's era would probably have enraged a lot of older boxing fans and Louis was generally pretty respectful towards his predecessors. It would be like Lewis saying Larry Donald would be champion in Ali's era. Are we sure Louis said this?

"Really, I got to like the son-of-a-bitch. He had something these guys lack today -- charisma. He could have taken most of these fighters today and would have been a millionaire ten times over. He was either born too soon or too late. He was a throw back to John L. Sullivan. He would have been a great bare-knuckle fighter. The man was absolutely fearless."

http://www.littlebarrestaurant.com/lb25 ... alento.htm

The above quote is from Joe Louis himself in an article written by Bill Kelly, well respected sports journalist who interviewed Joe Louis & several others. Anyways, Galento was no "bum". He was the Middleweight, Light Heavyweight & Heavyweight amateur champion of New Jersey before turning pro. He had 69 kayos in 114 fights, and before Louis had an eight win streak. He knocked out all the top contenders. To compare him to Eric Esch is outright sad.

That doesn't mean that Louis thought Galento would have been the champion during Sullivan's era, which is what you stated earlier.

Again, would like how to know Dempsey had a hand in almost every contender's (i.e. Baer and Schmeling) pocket as you also claimed earlier.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 16:12 That doesn't mean that Louis thought Galento would have been the champion during Sullivan's era, which is what you stated earlier.

Again, would like how to know Dempsey had a hand in almost every contender's (i.e. Baer and Schmeling) pocket as you also claimed earlier.

Louis saying Galento was "too soon or too late" and being a throwback to Sullivan and would have been a great bare knuckle fighter--- tells me that he was meaning Galento could have been a champion in a different era, particuarly the bare knuckle era--- because Galento was the #1 contender when Louis fought him and was a top ten contender for years. You can't get much better than a contender unless you're a champion. So logically, that's what Louis meant.

Because Dempsey had a part of different people's contracts, acting as manager in name only for many fighters. He said crap about those he didn't manage, and praised those who he was getting money from. Period. Dempsey was a shrewd businessman. He had business dealings with Baer, Schmeling and several others. Dempsey was also a promoter--- and he made money off of those fighters too, many of which he also managed.

It might tell you that, but Louis didn't say it there. And Galento was only ranked for three years.

Have never seen anywhere that Dempsey had worked with Max Schmeling. Have read biographies on Schmeling and Dempsey and countless boxing books, never had seen that.
He did work with Max Baer on and off for a few years.
Dempsey was lining his pockets with these guys? Well he did referee and judge the Baer-Uzcudun fight. He awarded the decision to Uzcudun. Why? Because he thought Uzcudun deserved the decision, not Baer.

@ 4:50 onwards... Dempsey saying Baer was "the greatest", etc.

Dempsey bragged on those he had financial interests in.
Dempsey crapped on those he had no financial interests in.

Meanwhile, Jack Dempsey, the former world heavyweight champion who refereed the bout between Loughran and Baer, took notice of the youngster from California. He and Max became great friends and would remain so for the rest of Max's lives. Dempsey often acted as a mentor to Max and even promoted several of his fights.
Contender & Champion

Though Max lost his next two big-name fights, against contenders, Johnny Risko and Paolino Uzcudun, he showed more patience in the ring and better boxing technique, proving that he was listening to the advice given him by Loughran and Dempsey. The hard work paid dividends as Max won ten consecutive fights within an ten-month period. Included among the wins were rematches with Risko, Kennedy, and Heeney, as well as two decisions over contender King Levinsky.

^According to Baer's boxrec biography, it seems MAYBE the Uzcudon decision was because Dempsey would have been seen as biased towards Baer--- since he was the referee and judge of the contest.

1931-07-04 : Paulino Uzcudun 195 lbs beat Max Baer 202 lbs by PTS in round 20 of 20

Location: Race Track Arena, Reno, Nevada, USA
Referee: Jack Dempsey

Pre-fight photo, Photo #3

This is the "first heavyweight bout of any importance in Reno since [Jack] Johnson defeated [James] Jeffries July 4, 1910." Some 18,000 people attended, "virtually equalling the normal population of the city." New York Times

The venue was also nicknamed "Dempsey's Arena." See air view of venue.

Info on the fight itself... The venue was known as "Dempsey's Arena"... So again it seems that MAYBE the decision rendered was political because everything appeared to be Baer's way since he was best friends with Dempsey & being managed by the man, etc. Unfortunately I cannot find scores of the fight--- BoxRec was soooooo much better back in the day having scores listed on all the fights.

Joe Louis vrs Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle-height 5 ft 10"(1.78 m)-weight 300 lbs (135 kilograms)
who wins ?

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Oct 2018, 18:36

@ 4:50 onwards... Dempsey saying Baer was "the greatest", etc.

Dempsey bragged on those he had financial interests in.
Dempsey crapped on those he had no financial interests in.

Meanwhile, Jack Dempsey, the former world heavyweight champion who refereed the bout between Loughran and Baer, took notice of the youngster from California. He and Max became great friends and would remain so for the rest of Max's lives. Dempsey often acted as a mentor to Max and even promoted several of his fights.
Contender & Champion

Though Max lost his next two big-name fights, against contenders, Johnny Risko and Paolino Uzcudun, he showed more patience in the ring and better boxing technique, proving that he was listening to the advice given him by Loughran and Dempsey. The hard work paid dividends as Max won ten consecutive fights within an ten-month period. Included among the wins were rematches with Risko, Kennedy, and Heeney, as well as two decisions over contender King Levinsky.

^According to Baer's boxrec biography, it seems MAYBE the Uzcudon decision was because Dempsey would have been seen as biased towards Baer--- since he was the referee and judge of the contest.

1931-07-04 : Paulino Uzcudun 195 lbs beat Max Baer 202 lbs by PTS in round 20 of 20

Location: Race Track Arena, Reno, Nevada, USA
Referee: Jack Dempsey

Pre-fight photo, Photo #3

This is the "first heavyweight bout of any importance in Reno since [Jack] Johnson defeated [James] Jeffries July 4, 1910." Some 18,000 people attended, "virtually equalling the normal population of the city." New York Times

The venue was also nicknamed "Dempsey's Arena." See air view of venue.

Info on the fight itself... The venue was known as "Dempsey's Arena"... So again it seems that MAYBE the decision rendered was political because everything appeared to be Baer's way since he was best friends with Dempsey & being managed by the man, etc. Unfortunately I cannot find scores of the fight--- BoxRec was soooooo much better back in the day having scores listed on all the fights.

Stop talking crap.
You are ripping on Jack Dempsey, of all people.
He gave the fight to Uzcudun because he honestly thought he won.
It would have helped Baer's career had he won and therefore would have made Dempsey more $ had he awarded the fight to Baer.
Again, you never answered my question about how all the fighters that Dempsey favored.

How is it crap? Dempsey was refereeing. Dempsey was Baer's friend & manager. Dempsey was in an arena named after him. Dempsey promoted the damn event (which I didn't know was true but in fact it was true!). Everything was all in Baer's favor.

Had the decision went to Baer DON'T YOU THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IFFY AS HELL?

And how the hell does a "last round decide the fight", according to Dempsey? Can a TWENTY ROUND FIGHT really be that hard to determine who was winning? Sounds fishy to me.

https://basquebooks.blogs.unr.edu/remem ... ars-later/

Start thinking.
You are Jack Dempsey. You manage Max Baer. If you want to do what is best for him because it will help you financially , why referee and judge the fight in the first place if you feel that you can't give him the decision?

This loss hurt Baer's career. It was a big setback. It was his fourth loss within a year. A win would have kept him in the title hunt. Dempsey had everything to gain if Baer won.

Dempsey did not need the $ from being Baer's manager as you have suggested, as he supposedly had his hands in the pockets of several contenders. That is total BS. He made a fortune in the ring and could make $ in many other ways.

As to why it went to the last round- Didn't it occur to you that he had the fight even after 19 rounds? That isn't exactly far-fetched.