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Will always go with Spence. Like the saying goes A good big man will always have the edge against a small good man when it come to fighting"

spence wont throw punches recklessly. he comes in behind a jab, feeling you out, checking when you have set your feet and have covered up, to determine when to add on more punches to his jab.



the reason he has to go through this feeling out process is because you cant add on more punches, that is to say, run numbers, on a moving target.



you need to have a stationary target.



spence comes straight in.



and so can be turned.



you can steal spence coming in.

up top to the head because he doesnt move his head.



or down to the body because he comes straight in.



crawford can turn you.



and steal you on the way in.



i picked crawford by decision.

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awesome, great analysis and use of gifs!

it's a 50/50 fight to me, i'd slightly favor Crawford though

Great post yuzo. Agree with you.

Crawford all day long.

Yuzo wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 02:03 spence wont throw punches recklessly. he comes in behind a jab, feeling you out, checking when you have set your feet and have covered up, to determine when to add on more punches to his jab.



the reason he has to go through this feeling out process is because you cant add on more punches, that is to say, run numbers, on a moving target.



you need to have a stationary target.



spence comes straight in.



and so can be turned.



you can steal spence coming in.

up top to the head because he doesnt move his head.



or down to the body because he comes straight in.



crawford can turn you.



and steal you on the way in.



i picked crawford by decision.

I terms of skills, footwork and boxing IQ TC is in FMJ's league. Spence is just a strong natural 154 lber fighting at 147 lbs. I'd favor TC by UD too.

Crawford is in Mayweathers league in terms of offence, a 135/140 version that is. But he's not in his league defensively. I think Spence stops Crawford.

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 04:12 I think Spence stops Crawford.

he'd probably have to break down crawford over many rounds. wont be easy to put punches together on crawford cause he uses the ring and wont just set his feet and cover up. said differently, he doesnt stick around.

spence probably hits harder than crawford. but crawford probably has better timing. so he'd be exposed to great risk trying to apply the sustained attack he'd need to have to break crawford down. which is to say, he'd probably be walking into stuff.



spence can break you down with many punches. but crawford can counter you and run you into big punches.

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 04:12 Crawford is in Mayweathers league in terms of offence, a 135/140 version that is. But he's not in his league defensively. I think Spence stops Crawford.

Yes indeed. It's very hard to match FMJ in that department.

Yuzo wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 05:17

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 04:12 I think Spence stops Crawford.

he'd probably have to break down crawford over many rounds. wont be easy to put punches together on crawford cause he uses the ring and wont just set his feet and cover up. said differently, he doesnt stick around.

spence probably hits harder than crawford. but crawford probably has better timing. so he'd be exposed to great risk trying to apply the sustained attack he'd need to have to break crawford down. which is to say, he'd probably be walking into stuff.



spence can break you down with many punches. but crawford can counter you and run you into big punches.

Crawford lept face-first into several shots from Benavidez. Spence will hit him hard on the button without a doubt. Crawford does have a great chin though.

Great post by Yuzo and i agree with him. Crawford by ~116-112 decision.

Great thread.
to Yuzo’s post.

This would be the Leonard / Hearns of this era.

Immediately following Bud vs Benavidez, I was leaning toward Spence based on the react of Crawford to a bit of Benavidez’s body work. Other than that, you simply cannot fault that performance on Saturday night, beyond suggesting that Bud could have finished him earlier.

Spence has shown a reckless disregard for taking incoming fire throughout his career. He seems to believe that he cannot be seriously hurt. That is not a good attitude to have vs Hitman Jr.

Spence is a considerably bigger man physically, but Bud has been fighting bigger men in his last two fights, although not as talented and powerful as Spence.

Benavidez height and length were serious puzzles to solve. I would like to see Horn vs Benavidez. Horn is a huge mauling welter.

Bud handled and stopped both. People belittle what the Nebraskan has accomplished and who he has fought, but he has dominated everyone he has faced and taken several 0s.

Spence has his own hyper critics, claiming that he has not fought great enough comp. He has stopped a series of legit welters, including Brook and Peterson.

Spence was having his issues with Kell until mid fight. While Spence had assumed control, I had it even through eight. Brook is definitely more skilled, gifted, and a heavier puncher than anyone that Bud has met. However, Brook is no Crawford, by some distance.

Crawford would have to be moving the entire fight, sticking Spence, turning him and catching him. He would have to get Spence’s attention early with his pop, making him second guess coming in.

While I agree with Yuzo that Spence tends to attack straight on, the Texan also cuts the ring off quite well when necessary, especially when his adversary slows just a bit.

It is really a 50/50 fight. In those cases I generally lean towards the more pure boxer. My problem with picking Bud outright vs Spence is the formers absolute proclivity to go into tearup mode when touched. Doing so vs Spence would likely be Crawford’s undoing.

I still lean Crawford though, due to his excellent ability to adjust on the fly.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 05:31

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 04:12 Crawford is in Mayweathers league in terms of offence, a 135/140 version that is. But he's not in his league defensively. I think Spence stops Crawford.

Yes indeed. It's very hard to match FMJ in that department.

Well, obviously. But it's the reason why Canelo and Lomachenko are higher rated p4p than Bud imo - both are much harder to hit clean.

I heard opinions that this could end up like Mayweather vs Canelo - i dont agree with that. I see it more like Usyk vs Briedis fight -competetive fight with Spence starting well and going forward to land harder shots but Crawford eventually will outplay him and will score clear win after close fight.

I personally favour Spence Jr. (by a slight margin) to beat Crawford. It took a while for Bud to adapt to the reach and speed of Benavidez, whilst I don’t think we’ve ever seen anyone push Errol to any significant degree.

That being said, I sincerely doubt that ESPN/Top Rank and Showtime/PBC will work together to co-distribute a potential bout between Spence Jr. and Crawford any earlier than 2020, since there’s insufficient appetite from mainstream casuals to see this bout.

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 09:13

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 05:31

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 04:12 Crawford is in Mayweathers league in terms of offence, a 135/140 version that is. But he's not in his league defensively. I think Spence stops Crawford.

Yes indeed. It's very hard to match FMJ in that department.

Well, obviously. But it's the reason why Canelo and Lomachenko are higher rated p4p than Bud imo - both are much harder to hit clean.

I respectfully disagree in Canelo’s case. He has been caught flush many times over the years, by fighters far slower than those whom Crawford has fought. Crawford has been caught flush far less often and it has almost unanimously been when he has taken risks due to a combination of not respecting his opponents ability to hurt him and his absolute dna level love of the tearup.

In the case of Loma, I would agree that he shows greater elusiveness, but Crawford has not been floored (that I am aware of) in the pros.

Crawford did not need a KO the other night. He could have cakewalked the last three rounds, as FMJ would have done. But Bud walked into harms way purposefully, exposing himself to unnecessary incoming to finish his opponent.

That is what makes Crawford special and never boring. It also may end up his undoing, similar to the way Hearns refused to box it out with Leonard, and got stopped as a result.

Bud is game to a fault, which is why he is P4P #1.

Crawford will outbox him. Crawford is slicker. If he really wins, we can say, that's the second coming of Sugar Ray Leonard.

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 09:35

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 09:13

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 05:31

Yes indeed. It's very hard to match FMJ in that department.

Well, obviously. But it's the reason why Canelo and Lomachenko are higher rated p4p than Bud imo - both are much harder to hit clean.

I respectfully disagree in Canelo’s case. He has been caught flush many times over the years, by fighters far slower than those whom Crawford has fought. Crawford has been caught flush far less often and it has almost unanimously been when he has taken risks due to a combination of not respecting his opponents ability to hurt him and his absolute dna level love of the tearup.

In the case of Loma, I would agree that he shows greater elusiveness, but Crawford has not been floored (that I am aware of) in the pros.

Crawford did not need a KO the other night. He could have cakewalked the last three rounds, as FMJ would have done. But Bud walked into harms way purposefully, exposing himself to unnecessary incoming to finish his opponent.

That is what makes Crawford special and never boring. It also may end up his undoing, similar to the way Hearns refused to box it out with Leonard, and got stopped as a result.

Bud is game to a fault, which is why he is P4P #1.

Golovkin over 2 fights never really tagged Canelo as cleanly as a much lesser fighter (Benavidez) did on Saturday, a handful of times. Crawford is exciting, and he has a brilliant offence, but Canelo is a better pure boxer. Lomachenko is another level entirely, possible GOAT imo.

Crawford wins. He would also outbox canelo i a fairly judged fight, but that fight won't happen canelo too big to go down back to superwelter, where it could've happemed 3,4 years ago.

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 10:50

ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 09:35

RKY wrote: ↑15 Oct 2018, 09:13

Well, obviously. But it's the reason why Canelo and Lomachenko are higher rated p4p than Bud imo - both are much harder to hit clean.

I respectfully disagree in Canelo’s case. He has been caught flush many times over the years, by fighters far slower than those whom Crawford has fought. Crawford has been caught flush far less often and it has almost unanimously been when he has taken risks due to a combination of not respecting his opponents ability to hurt him and his absolute dna level love of the tearup.

In the case of Loma, I would agree that he shows greater elusiveness, but Crawford has not been floored (that I am aware of) in the pros.

Crawford did not need a KO the other night. He could have cakewalked the last three rounds, as FMJ would have done. But Bud walked into harms way purposefully, exposing himself to unnecessary incoming to finish his opponent.

That is what makes Crawford special and never boring. It also may end up his undoing, similar to the way Hearns refused to box it out with Leonard, and got stopped as a result.

Bud is game to a fault, which is why he is P4P #1.

Golovkin over 2 fights never really tagged Canelo as cleanly as a much lesser fighter (Benavidez) did on Saturday, a handful of times. Crawford is exciting, and he has a brilliant offence, but Canelo is a better pure boxer. Lomachenko is another level entirely, possible GOAT imo.

Don’t know what fight you were watching. 3G nailed him with jabs and more throughout the fight. Golovkin is slow. Benavidez is young, longer, taller, and faster than 3G., and no, he did not hit Crawford with anything remotely close to what 3G laid on Canelo.

FMJ didn’t touch Canelo either, right? Or Trout? Or for that matter, Angulo? Then, of course there is Lara.

Canelo is an excellent boxer with a granite chin. He does not come within orders of magnitude of Crawford’s elusiveness.

And Loma is no GOAT.

Crawford is on the level of leonard in his prime start of eighties... ,
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(shitstorm coming in)
sorry i'm a bit tipsy

If they were both same size, Crawford will handle Spence. But Spence is just too strong and too big for Crawford IMO. Maybe in 4 years they can fight each other :(

Hell of a fight! Will happen?

I have Spence dispatching Crawford and getting him out of their in the late rounds with an epic beating. For all of the talk about Spence's size advantage the real undoing for Crawford is going to be Spence's accuracy and timing, Jab and Power Punch Variation, Ability to cut of the ring and his fight IQ. Also, Spence has an elite motor gets stronger as the fight goes on and his power carry's the whole fight. The problem with many analysis of this fight is that Spence has unfortunately been heavily underrated for his boxing ability. The guy is a fantastic boxer that does what he feels he needs to do against his opposition to devastating affect. Crawford is taking the bigger step up in competition. Spence has the best win on either man's resume by far in Kell Brook who would give Crawford absolute hell, whereas no one on Crawfords resume goes the distance vs Spence. Above all I think I This will be the fight where Spence is going to show the world just how good his boxing skills are, and it will be his skills that take Crawford out not his size advantage.