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With the growth of Matchroom and Matchroom USA, and now DAZN- how do you guys feel about this big fish in the pond?
Is it good for boxing?
Do you worry about emerging monopoly's?
Do you trust the $9.95 will always be the only cost once the other fish have been gobbled up?
Will DAZN kill PPV in the USA when people get sick of paying $80-100 for a fight?

you mean dazn or matchroom? there linked but dazn isnt matchroom exclusive

as for me, i actually like the dazn setup. i prefer streaming fights anyway and this i think should help cut down on ppvs if they keep it to subscriptions. there seem to be a ton of dazn dates avilable too, lots of fights to come i think and im optimistic theyll be spread out better

just look at how good its already been for the activity of a guy like beterbiev

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Oct 2018, 21:28 With the growth of Matchroom and Matchroom USA, and now DAZN- how do you guys feel about this big fish in the pond?
Is it good for boxing?
Do you worry about emerging monopoly's?
Do you trust the $9.95 will always be the only cost once the other fish have been gobbled up?
Will DAZN kill PPV in the USA when people get sick of paying $80-100 for a fight?

I'm not worried about monopolization of the sport.
Eventually the $9.95 will go up. I hope it stays less than $20 a month
PPV will soon be a thing of the past. No one thinks $100 for a fight is a good investment. We've been sick of ppv for
a very long time

jamamb wrote: ↑17 Oct 2018, 21:34 you mean dazn or matchroom? there linked but dazn isnt matchroom exclusive

I mean one man at the helm of what has become in the last 14 months, a behemoth.
Monopolys only start out good for the average punter. Im not saying it is, or will be a monopoly, there is potential for it to be, but at the very least, it will be the biggest conglomerate.
Maybe I'm wrong, I just look at other businesses like the supermarket chains, or Amazon, and see what they have done to the market place.
How long can Fwank be current without a major TV deal, or Internet setup besides the YouTube joke?
How do the American big 3 go forward when PPV TV is declining and are one step behind DAZN in web streaming? Mouldy Boy already cozying up to Eddie, because they know what's good for them, though how much control will they eventually have when they struggle in the future to get their own stuff broadcast and have to rely on DAZN?

I was cynical about dazn st first but it's been surprisingly good so far. I think i still have the free trial sub. I don't know if i'll keep it though. Not all that much of interest to me on it, and they're not showing the Pulev fight. I never paid for ppv.

well theres still showtime, the top rank espn deal, and the canelo/golden boy deal with dazn wasnt through hearn. i dont think dazn only works through hearn although hes the main guy so far theyve dealt with

its not really a hearn monopoly yet

What seems to have confused a few
Hearn is exclusive DAZN in the US
DAZN are not exclusive to Hearn

A bit like like Ohashi are exclusive to Fuji but Fuji also work with Misako

DAZN are free to add whatever they want (outside of breaching other contracts), hence their deal with the Sauerlands for WBSS and with GBP

PPV in USA is ridiculously expensive. It destroyed popularity of boxing. Almost 100$ for a fight, really? In Poland we have few PPVs but they cost always 40zł/12$. If it costed 25-30$ in USA it would be fine i think and i wouldn't be surprised if this price generated same profits - it think it's possible that 3-3,5 million would buy Canelo-GGG for 25-30$ instead of 1.1 milion for the actual price. It would raise the popularity of boxing and then more people would buy PPVs which means bigger profits in future. It is just my opinion, i dont know the reality in USA that much, maybe im wrong.

dagilechia wrote: ↑18 Oct 2018, 05:43 it think it's possible that 3-3,5 million would buy Canelo-GGG for 25-30$ instead of 1.1 milion for the actual price. It would raise the popularity of boxing and then more people would buy PPVs which means bigger profits in future. It is just my opinion, i dont know the reality in USA that much, maybe im wrong.

You’re right. They’d made the same revenue. Less people bought the rematch but at a higher price and they generated more revenue.. so of they had it even ar around $40 maybe, they would have gotten more people to buy it and likely have generated same revenue. Money comes first though..

It’s like Mayweather when he fought McGregor. Ticket prices were realy high. He didn’t care that it was a full house, because it wasn’t, he cared about how much would go into his pocket. But if the tocket prices were a bit lower, it may wel have been sold out and no doubt the gate would have been the same.

Somewhere, there is a balance.

Still in the long run they make more money the more people are able to see them box. 100$ is just not affordable for a LOT of people. But of course, if it's my last fight(like floyd/mcg) i also wouldn't care about the long run.

All in all the disparity between what the top guys earn and what even the guys on the undercards take home is a shameful one.

Still reflects the inability of fair distrubution in whatever manmade system, but the state of human society, where 20 people own more money then half of the population of the planet combined, while babies are still starving...🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮... okay, i shut up anyways. If i keep on thibking about that shit 🤬

Back in January of the current year, I performed some research and discovered that Al Haymon was affiliated with almost 200 fighters, with at least fifty of them rated in the top ten of their respective divisions by ESPN and/or The RING, as well as 16 world champions possessing titles from the WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO. I sincerely doubt the situation has changed much since then.

The vast majority of these guys compete under the PBC banner, which means that by proxy they’re linked with Showtime & FOX, with a only select few of them aligned with Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom (i.e. Artur Beterbiev, Jessie Vargas, Amir Khan, Danny Jacobs etc.). I don't think that Golden Boy promotes any fighter affiliated with Al Haymon.

I guess the conclusion I’ve drawn is that DAZN technically doesn't have any other marquee fighters other than Canelo and Anthony Joshua.

In terms of the middleweight division: DAZN already has Canelo (who holds the WBC, WBA & IBO straps), with both Demetrius Andrade and Danny Jacobs vying for the remaining belts, which means that they may shortly gain control over both the IBF & WBO titles as well.

Eddie Hearn has already made it abundantly clear that any middleweight contender, such as Gennady Golovkin, Billy Joe Saunders and Jermall Charlo, that wants to challenge for any version of the 160lbs world title must fight on DAZN, which creates another “Cold War” between that streaming network and the likes of Showtime/Fox and ESPN.

The Matchroom boss has also confirmed that any fighter that wants to face Anthony Joshua must also have the bout televised by DAZN (as he holds IBF, IBO, WBA & WBO heavyweight titles).

Matchroom already controls all four of the cruiserweight titles, with Oleksandr Usyk being the undisputed champion and Tony Bellew being his challenger, as well as DAZN possessing the TV rights to cover season two of the WBSS 200lbs tournament.

Eddie Hearn states that he intends to sign light heavyweights like Dmitry Bivol, Adonis Stevenson and Eleider Álvarez, but Matchroom hasn’t been able to do so yet, with two of these guys affiliated with Al Haymon. However, it’s clear to see that if DAZN obtains the signatures for those men, then they will also hold the monopoly in terms of controlling the 175lbs weight division.

Even though Eddie Hearn claims he has a good relationship with Bob Arum, he concedes they’re competitors and was reluctant to confirm or deny whether DAZN and ESPN could co-televise bouts involving both stables of fighters, but his reluctance to answer a rather simple question on this matter meant his lack of a response was a clear indicator of his thoughts. He didn’t comment either on the possibility of bouts between DAZN guys and the PBC stable, which suggests that the likelihood is negligible, especially considering his belief that Showtime will inevitably abandon the sport of boxing very soon.

I genuinely hope that DAZN becomes a commercial success and benefits the sport in general, but they will inevitably find it challenging to cover 50+ events per year whilst possessing a relatively thin roster of fighters, coupled with them introducing mandatory stipulations that creates a new “cold war” between multiple networks (as per the terribly dire situation that we previously witnessed between Showtime & HBO).

It’s really hard to see Showtime, Fox & ESPN splitting the rights to fights with DAZN, but that streaming service has so many events to cover annually that it’s hard to envisage them being able to consistently televise high quality fight cards that attract sizable viewing audiences, other than any contests involving Canelo and Anthony Joshua (with the Brit not considered a big name in the US).

We previously witnessed the PBC making a huge mistake by signing too many fighters but having insufficient TV deals to promote enough fight cards to keep them active. The TV networks weren’t paying the PBC to cover competitive bouts, which prevented many big fights from being made.

I feel that DAZN are in a similar situation, but in reverse, where they have too many events to televise, but not enough quality fighters in their stable to include enough big fights to headline their fight cards.

If Eddie Hearn and Oscar De La Hoya are unable to poach a lot of fighters from Top Rank and the PBC, then DAZN may eventually be compelled to reduce their investment in the sport of boxing.