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What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 13:21
by Controversial
Lots of all time great fighters, which ones had the weakest opposition and which ones had the toughest?
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 16:41
by Tuan_Jim
Mayweather must surely be the king of the easies.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 17:15
by Onetimeonly
Pascal Perez the easiest. Ezzard is up there for toughest.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 17:16
by jamamb
jac johnsons stands out as far as physcally overmatched opposition. a hw legend yet fought loads of guys the size of current mws or even less and some were among the most recognzable names he fought. won the heavy champonshp vs a 5'7 /160s guy. and jeff had been out for 6 years....thats huge. for an atg hw with legend status...one of the more flawed resumes.
depends who counts as an atg? does a guy such as calzaghe count?
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 18:54
by DrDuke
Leonard won Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez, what already makes his resume a one of the very best.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 19:48
by Abradolf Lincler
Easiest: Ricardo Lopez
Toughest: Archie Moore (so long as we're discussing toughest opposition faced and not necessarily beaten)
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 19:57
by Wee Tommy
Toughest - Greb, Charles, Moore
Easiest - Johnson, Dempsey, Calzaghe
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 00:49
by Controversial
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 16:41
Mayweather must surely be the king of the easies.
He beat lots of big names, what do you mean by the king of the easies?
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 05:03
by Tuan_Jim
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 00:49
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 16:41
Mayweather must surely be the king of the easies.
He beat lots of big names, what do you mean by the king of the easies?
Beating them when they're 35-40 means little.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 05:40
by littlepug
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:03
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 00:49
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 16:41
Mayweather must surely be the king of the easies.
He beat lots of big names, what do you mean by the king of the easies?
Beating them when they're 35-40 means little.
Cant remember him fighting anyone in that age group to be honest
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 06:16
by Tuan_Jim
littlepug wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:40
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:03
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 00:49
He beat lots of big names, what do you mean by the king of the easies?
Beating them when they're 35-40 means little.
Cant remember him fighting anyone in that age group to be honest
You must have forgotten his biggest fights.
Oscar de la Hoya - 35 (and one fight in one and a half years)
Juan Manuel Marquez - 36
Shane Mosley - 39 (and one fight in one year and a half years)
Manny Pac - 37
Not exactly Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler, is it?
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 06:30
by littlepug
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 06:16
littlepug wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:40
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:03
Beating them when they're 35-40 means little.
Cant remember him fighting anyone in that age group to be honest
You must have forgotten his biggest fights.
Oscar de la Hoya - 35 (and one fight in one and a half years)
Juan Manuel Marquez - 36
Shane Mosley - 39 (and one fight in one year and a half years)
Manny Pac - 37
Not exactly Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler, is it?
well thats 4 out of 50 !
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 06:46
by Tuan_Jim
littlepug wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 06:30
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 06:16
littlepug wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:40
Cant remember him fighting anyone in that age group to be honest
You must have forgotten his biggest fights.
Oscar de la Hoya - 35 (and one fight in one and a half years)
Juan Manuel Marquez - 36
Shane Mosley - 39 (and one fight in one year and a half years)
Manny Pac - 37
Not exactly Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler, is it?
well thats 4 out of 50 !
You don't think Leonard's greatness would be questioned if Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler had had a mean age of 37?
"But he also beat Donny Lalonde!"
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 07:02
by littlepug
Yeah but Floyd had other fights besides those 4 !
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 07:11
by Tuan_Jim
littlepug wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 07:02
Yeah but Floyd had other fights besides those 4 !
Against which greats?
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 07:18
by littlepug
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 07:11
littlepug wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 07:02
Yeah but Floyd had other fights besides those 4 !
Against which greats?
Well, greats would be a bit of a stretch but Floyd beat plenty of good fighters in their prime.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 11:51
by Controversial
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:03
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 00:49
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 16:41
Mayweather must surely be the king of the easies.
He beat lots of big names, what do you mean by the king of the easies?
Beating them when they're 35-40 means little.
I'm no FMM fan and I agree he was the master at timing his opponents but he beat a lot of good fighters, I wouldn't say he had the easiest resume.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 11:55
by DrDuke
Mayweather's resume is a one of the best. He had some past-prime legends in his record, but a lot had. And anyway some of those past-prime opponents were still credible, De La Hoya and Pac is among them for sure.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 12:45
by chrisjs1985
Ricardo Lopez is one of my favorites but I've got to say his opposition was mostly fairly easy. Some tough one's in there like Alvarez, Lin, Grigsby, Guardia, Sorjaturong, Sanchez but cannon fodder for the most part. His greatness is built on his skill, longevity and dominance more than any wins or particular accolades.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 12:54
by Tuan_Jim
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 11:51
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:03
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 00:49
He beat lots of big names, what do you mean by the king of the easies?
Beating them when they're 35-40 means little.
I'm no FMM fan and I agree he was the master a timing his opponents but he beat a lot of good fighters, I wouldn't say he had the easiest resume.
It's a problem when the absolute best names you fought were middle aged men. Without those names his record is not great and we have no idea how he would fare versus De la Hoya, Mosley and Pac in their primes. We have no idea how he copes with a great fighter in a 50/50 fight because he avoided such fights. He squeaked past a post Margarito Cotto and cried with relief. A lack of guts is evident in his cynical career choices.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 14:38
by Controversial
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 12:54
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 11:51
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:03
Beating them when they're 35-40 means little.
I'm no FMM fan and I agree he was the master a timing his opponents but he beat a lot of good fighters, I wouldn't say he had the easiest resume.
It's a problem when the absolute best names you fought were middle aged men. Without those names his record is not great and we have no idea how he would fare versus De la Hoya, Mosley and Pac in their primes. We have no idea how he copes with a great fighter in a 50/50 fight because he avoided such fights. He squeaked past a post Margarito Cotto and cried with relief. A lack of guts is evident in his cynical career choices.
You could probably make that argument for any fighter though, FMM was older than Pac, Cotto, Hatton, Canelo and others.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 15:03
by Tuan_Jim
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 14:38
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 12:54
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 11:51
I'm no FMM fan and I agree he was the master a timing his opponents but he beat a lot of good fighters, I wouldn't say he had the easiest resume.
It's a problem when the absolute best names you fought were middle aged men. Without those names his record is not great and we have no idea how he would fare versus De la Hoya, Mosley and Pac in their primes. We have no idea how he copes with a great fighter in a 50/50 fight because he avoided such fights. He squeaked past a post Margarito Cotto and cried with relief. A lack of guts is evident in his cynical career choices.
You could probably make that argument for any fighter though. FMM was older than Pac, Cotto, Hatton, Canelo and others so it's a stretch to say he has the weakest resume.
Only one of those guys listed is considered great and he was past it when Mayweather FINALLY dared fight him. Lewis was older than Tyson when they at last fought, but Tyson had been 37-0 undisputed king of the world while a 1-0 Lewis was fumbling around at the bottom of his undercard. Chronological age and ring age are two different things.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 15:07
by Controversial
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 15:03
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 14:38
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 12:54
It's a problem when the absolute best names you fought were middle aged men. Without those names his record is not great and we have no idea how he would fare versus De la Hoya, Mosley and Pac in their primes. We have no idea how he copes with a great fighter in a 50/50 fight because he avoided such fights. He squeaked past a post Margarito Cotto and cried with relief. A lack of guts is evident in his cynical career choices.
You could probably make that argument for any fighter though. FMM was older than Pac, Cotto, Hatton, Canelo and others so it's a stretch to say he has the weakest resume.
Only one of those guys listed is considered great and he was past it when Mayweather FINALLY dared fight him. Lewis was older than Tyson when they at last fought, but Tyson had been 37-0 undisputed king of the world while a 1-0 Lewis was fumbling around at the bottom of his undercard. Chronological age and ring age are two different things.
Yeah of course but not many fighters have beaten 20+ world champions. How many ATGs did Tyson beat? Or Holmes, or Lewis for that matter, not all ATGs have ATG names on their records.
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 16:57
by paddy chavez
Hopkins had a pretty easy run it f you take Roy Jones out , .. heans fought some beasts Leonard,Duran,hagler
Re: What ATG had the easiest opponents and what ATG had the hardest?
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 17:09
by littlepug
Ali and SRR had pretty impressive opposition