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Would Bugner use his height and reach to out-box Chuvalo behind his jabs to take the decision? I say yes Bugner would unless Chuvalo didn't catch him off the ropes.

Chuvalo was special only with his durability. He lost in almost every big fight and established himself as a tough gate-keeper. Bugner wasn't too great as well, but he definitely had the skillset to outbox Chuvalo.

Lost every big fight?
Beat Doug Jones
Robbed against Paterson
Robbed against Terrell
Beat quarry
Beat Williams

Chuvalo TKO 9 Bugner

Anyone who saw the fight knows that Quarry beat Quarry, I'm not takin' that away from Chuvalo, but it's hard to know just where that fight was really headed. Also If you can't make heads or tales of how to beat the count, that's usually a beat man. But that one sparked a lot of controversy, as to whether he was beaten, or just deaf. lol.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 11:27 Lost every big fight?
Beat Doug Jones
Robbed against Paterson
Robbed against Terrell
Beat quarry
Beat Williams

Chuvalo TKO 9 Bugner

I actually said almost every. Now look at the losses.

Bugner was a pit-a-pat puncher who moved laterally like his feet were in quicksand. Chuvalo wasn't exactly light on his feet either, but after 3-4 rounds of George's bull-like aggression and relentless body punching, Bugner would be in the unenviable position of trying to fight while constantly backing up. Nothing he could throw would bother George, and eventually he'd simply run out of gas and be stopped. Closest real-life parallel: Chuvalo's blitzkrieg of Manuel Ramos.

If they were to fight, Bugner would use his height and reach to out-box Chuvalo from the outside and not try to slug with him in order to get a decision because Bugner was a safety first boxer who hit and not get hit as he would make sure of it should it happen.

As far as I know Chuvalo lost resonably close but unanimous decision to Patterson, and lost the fight to Terrell by a mile.

I would not call Cleveland Williams a big fight, Cleve was shot in more that one way when they fought.

Bugner would win a boring fight on points.

Bugner on points for me. He'd do enough work on the outside and even more tying up on the inside. Chuvalo was not the cutest.

However if Bugner turns up in Bodell/Marvis Frazier mode then Chuvalo wins, you could at least rely on Chuvalo being Chuvalo.

I think Bugner is dismissed by some people because he wasn't an African American and also because he was defensively savvy. Just my opinion.

Woller wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 09:43 As far as I know Chuvalo lost resonably close but unanimous decision to Patterson, and lost the fight to Terrell by a mile.

I would not call Cleveland Williams a big fight, Cleve was shot in more that one way when they fought.

Bugner would win a boring fight on points.

Paterson got home cooking in his backyard and listen to the boos in his hometown after the decision...a robbery? Maybe not but George deserved better...
Terrell was mob controlled and ref and judge were threatened with death if they went against chuvalo..that is documented.. referee admitted it....anyone who knows boxing knows George won...he had no backing promoting management that ever had any clout...
You actually need to watch these fights and form your own opinion.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 11:27 Lost every big fight?
Beat Doug Jones
Robbed against Paterson
Robbed against Terrell
Beat quarry
Beat Williams

Chuvalo TKO 9 Bugner

I could see that. Chuvalo was tough as nails!

George says in his book that he was robbed because of Terrels mob connections, but from watching the fight I have no problem with giving Terrell 10 of the first 12 rounds. Neither had the three officials.

Your in the minority
10-2?
I suggest you stop scoring fights

And who is the majority. The three blind
mice?

George won that fight hands down... Terrell just jabbed and held...rinse and repeat...George landed the harder blows and great left hooks to the body...had Ernie hurt in the first, fourth, and sixth...last four rounds Terrell had no gas and just held to survive cuz he'd know he'd get the decision....
The fight was fixed.... research it....this is no secret..if you wanna ignore the facts so be it...
71-64 Chuvalo.

Okay, not the fight that I and all the other fight fans have seen.
I just leave, have a nice day.

What all other fight fans....read the discussions and input from people that actually watched the fight... 90% have Goerge winning... the decision was rigged..
If you don't believe that's possible then there's no helping you...have a good day

In his book Chuvalo claims that he was winning the fight against Foreman because he was hitting Foremans gloves so much with his chin. Are you scoring the Terrell v. Chuvalo the same way?

Load your brain before you shoot off your mouth, Woller.
I'm the co-author of "Chuvalo: A Fighter's Life" and NOWHERE in the book does George claim that he was beating Foreman. He does, however, maintain that referee Arthur Mercante was too quick to wave it off. In Chuvalo's words (pages 236-237):
"Foreman's jab was straight and very heavy ... and believe me, it was no fun being on the receiving end of it. I don't know if I was more surprised by that jab or by his quick movement, but about a minute into the third he cut off the ring and cracked me with as good a left hook as I was ever hit with. Boom! It put me on the ropes in his corner, and as I tried to slide sideways he came back with a right-hand body shot. If you look at the film, I've got my right hand up as he lands a good one-two to the head, but I take those punches and start shooting back to the body because I can see his breathing is getting heavy.
"I fought my way off the ropes, but he kept coming forward, pursuing me to my own corner. By now George was missing more than he was landing, and while I will concede he connected on more than a few of them, at no time did I think I was going to be knocked out ... or even staggered. Quite the opposite, in fact. I knew exactly where I was and what was happening, and I could see he was getting wild. It's called 'throwing punches out the window.' He was pitching from all angles, but not many were getting through. I don't think I was hit by one good shot after than big left hook, but for some reason that's when Mercante decided to stop the fight. I turned to him and barked, 'Are you fornicating nuts?' -- hardly the reaction of a fighter who was supposedly out on his feet, wouldn't you say?"

Bugner and Chuvalo have common opponents.

They both beat Ramos with Bugner beating him on a decision, but Chuvalo knocked him out convincingly. Chuvalo lost a decision to Eduardo Corletti, but Bugner beats him convincingly with a decision. They both stopped Dante Cane by TKOs, but Bugner stopped him twice. They both lost to Muhammad Ali and "Smokin" Joe Frazier as they both went to distance with Ali twice, but they each lost to Ali by decisions. Frazier was the first man to stop Chuvalo in 4 rounds, but Bugner went to distance and lost a decision to Frazier. Chuvalo lost a decision to former WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis, but Bugner decision the past prime Ellis. They have their interesting common opponents.

its a fight where i think bugner had more tools to win and would prob get a decision, but chuvalo would be live, chuvalo vs cooper wouldve been interersting

Chuvalo vs. Cooper would've been an execution. Chuvalo by body-shot KO inside of 5 rounds.

writehooks wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 09:57 Chuvalo vs. Cooper would've been an execution. Chuvalo by body-shot KO inside of 5 rounds.

The info you just shared is priceless, I'll get the book, I"m ashamed to say I haven't read it. George is perhaps the top Ironman of the ring. One Rugged Canadian........lol, maybe a lumberjack at heart?

I have to ask, what were his thoughts on the Quarry and maybe the Frazier fights? I could imagine him saying he was never hurt....in fact, he may never have given into pain. He was a man who seemed to have Novocaine for blood.

Did he think he had hurt Quarry? So many of us were left confused about those moments. The three big mysteries of his career....was he going to be beat Quarry without Quarry's help? and was he going to survive the Frazier and Foreman fights, without the Ref jumping in (in both cases) prematurely....(in my opinion). Did he EVER imagine himself to be in trouble?

Chuvalo was like a lot of fighters.

He had a lot of trouble giving his opponents credit when they beat him. If you listen to Chuvalo, he was never really beaten.

Just unfair decisions and referees stopping fights prematurely.

If he fought Bugner, he would be clearly outboxed. But Chuvalo would insist that it was the worst decision ever.