Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 08:00
by apollo creed
If this fight is gonna happen in 2019 it would be a magical fight for boxing fans.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 09:23
by SFW
Lol that was pretty funny, glad to see 'em talking at least. Top Skank still gonna do all they can to wait out Spence hoping he moves up or stays at the weight too long and it becomes a disadvantage. I'm sure if the time comes and they fight 2019 Errol will stop him. For all the advantages Crawford has, Spence's power chin and volume will still have the final say.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 09:45
by Ruthless-RKO
Errol doesn’t got a fück!! He just surrounded by Top Rank.
Crawford is like a toned down version of Wilder.
Spence is so calm.
There’s always mutual respect here.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 10:21
by apollo creed
Spence is a strong mofo. He gave FMJ, Broner and Charlos hell in sparrings.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 11:14
by SenorPipino
How Garcia performs against Spence might open a lot of eyes as to how a fight with Crawford might go.
If Spence has his hands full, even in victory, expect most fans to quickly hop on the Crawford bandwagon.
Spence may then feel pressure to redeem himself by insisting that a Crawford fight get done immediately.
If does dominates Mikey, however, Spence may feel no need to rehabilitate his image, and instead take another meaningless Ocampo-like mandatory to close 2019.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 11:43
by NateJR
As I thought little difference in size. Still feel Crawford has too many tools for Spence.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 13:14
by SFW
NateJR wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 11:43
As I thought little difference in size. Still feel Crawford has too many tools for Spence.
I think you are right TC has more tools he is more dynamic, but his chin and power will both prove inferior so the "better boxer" assumption won't matter.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
NateJR wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 11:43
As I thought little difference in size. Still feel Crawford has too many tools for Spence.
I think you are right TC has more tools he is more dynamic, but his chin and power will both prove inferior so the "better boxer" assumption won't matter.
I'm not sure yet. Spence was being outboxed by Brook for 7-8 rounds, until Brook's tank emptied. I know Spence's body attack was part of it, but I'm not convinced Brook killing himself to make weight wasn't an issue too.
Crawford is a better technician than Brook, and Spence's opponents since that fight haven't exactly prepared him for this kind of test (you could say the same for Crawford). If it's 2020, Spence may have improved enough for it not to matter, but next year may still show a Special who's too green tactically to catch up to Crawford.
I thought Spence would have looked bigger, with the two side by side. I'm very narrowly favouring Crawford for now.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
NateJR wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 11:43
As I thought little difference in size. Still feel Crawford has too many tools for Spence.
I think you are right TC has more tools he is more dynamic, but his chin and power will both prove inferior so the "better boxer" assumption won't matter.
I'm not sure yet. Spence was being outboxed by Brook for 7-8 rounds, until Brook's tank emptied. I know Spence's body attack was part of it, but I'm not convinced Brook killing himself to make weight wasn't an issue too.
Crawford is a better technician than Brook, and Spence's opponents since that fight haven't exactly prepared him for this kind of test (you could say the same for Crawford). If it's 2020, Spence may have improved enough for it not to matter, but next year may still show a Special who's too green tactically to catch up to Crawford.
I thought Spence would have looked bigger, with the two side by side. I'm very narrowly favouring Crawford for now.
I heard that a few times, that 7-8 rounds talk, and it is as insane as the first time I heard it. I still can't believe that's a serious opinion it's blindly wrong. Unless everyone went to the Carl Froch School of shit scoring, which seems more and more possible as time passes. Brook did have the benefit of 27,000 people screaming for every missed shot I imagine that had more to do with it than any assumed weight issue. Weight drained Brook doesn't "win" 7-8 rounds or he's not really affected like some believe. I don't know how he would deserve more than 4 much less 8, he must have got mad credit for just attempting shots. Meanwhile he got nailed round after round, got dominated inside practically every round, and was clearly laboring by the mid point of the fight. I don't get that scoring at all, not reflective of what happened. But, hometown guy popular guy he was gonna get the edge in any toss up round anyway. Some rounds were close. Nothing after Spence broke his face was close, at worst Spence could have been down 4-2 by the eye break it took time to adjust to another good fighter. Spence's first big fight atmosphere too figured it would take awhile to get going and it did. Still, it's worth watching again and seeing how brutally Spence raked that body the whole fight.. Crawford will be asleep if he takes anywhere near the punishment Brook eventually succumbed to. But Crawford is a harder target, that's where the mystery lies. Can Spence do the necessary damage he'll need to to beat the prime elusive and dangerous Crawford. I think he will, if they meet. Spence's power is something else, and his chin is top notch, he has leeway that I think Crawford doesn't.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 15:35
by Ruthless-RKO
Lmfao. Brook outboxed Spence for 7-8 rounds?
Ok.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 16:30
by NateJR
I don't think there's a huge gap in strength or power between the two. This fight will be determined by who makes the adjustments and can find ways to land power shots down the stretch. I expect both to start slow, but I feel Crawford will be the one to making the adjustments and taking over the fight. First off Spence isnt really a big puncher, he normally wears his opponents down and he's not the most elusive guy either. I stand by Crawford being the close but clear favorite. That's what makes this fight so great, people are pretty much split on who they have winning. Would be awesome if it happened in the second half of 2019, but I have a feeling we won't see it until 2020 at the earliest.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 17 Nov 2018, 16:31
by NateJR
I don't think there's a huge gap in strength or power between the two. This fight will be determined by who makes the adjustments and can find ways to land power shots down the stretch. I expect both to start slow, but I feel Crawford will be the one to making the adjustments and taking over the fight. First off Spence isnt really a big puncher, he normally wears his opponents down and he's not the most elusive guy either. I stand by Crawford being the close but clear favorite. That's what makes this fight so great, people are pretty much split on who they have winning. Would be awesome if it happened in the second half of 2019, but I have a feeling we won't see it until 2020 at the earliest.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
I think you are right TC has more tools he is more dynamic, but his chin and power will both prove inferior so the "better boxer" assumption won't matter.
I'm not sure yet. Spence was being outboxed by Brook for 7-8 rounds, until Brook's tank emptied. I know Spence's body attack was part of it, but I'm not convinced Brook killing himself to make weight wasn't an issue too.
Crawford is a better technician than Brook, and Spence's opponents since that fight haven't exactly prepared him for this kind of test (you could say the same for Crawford). If it's 2020, Spence may have improved enough for it not to matter, but next year may still show a Special who's too green tactically to catch up to Crawford.
I thought Spence would have looked bigger, with the two side by side. I'm very narrowly favouring Crawford for now.
I heard that a few times, that 7-8 rounds talk, and it is as insane as the first time I heard it. I still can't believe that's a serious opinion it's blindly wrong. Unless everyone went to the Carl Froch School of poo scoring, which seems more and more possible as time passes. Brook did have the benefit of 27,000 people screaming for every missed shot I imagine that had more to do with it than any assumed weight issue. Weight drained Brook doesn't "win" 7-8 rounds or he's not really affected like some believe. I don't know how he would deserve more than 4 much less 8, he must have got mad credit for just attempting shots. Meanwhile he got nailed round after round, got dominated inside practically every round, and was clearly laboring by the mid point of the fight. I don't get that scoring at all, not reflective of what happened. But, hometown guy popular guy he was gonna get the edge in any toss up round anyway. Some rounds were close. Nothing after Spence broke his face was close, at worst Spence could have been down 4-2 by the eye break it took time to adjust to another good fighter. Spence's first big fight atmosphere too figured it would take awhile to get going and it did. Still, it's worth watching again and seeing how brutally Spence raked that body the whole fight.. Crawford will be asleep if he takes anywhere near the punishment Brook eventually succumbed to. But Crawford is a harder target, that's where the mystery lies. Can Spence do the necessary damage he'll need to to beat the prime elusive and dangerous Crawford. I think he will, if they meet. Spence's power is something else, and his chin is top notch, he has leeway that I think Crawford doesn't.
I wasn't trying to say he won 7 or 8 rounds, I just had him ahead at that point. Brook won 4 or 5 of the first 8. Spence may well have been good enough to close out and win over the championship rounds, but I do believe cutting the weight was an issue for Kell, and played a part in him losing that fight.
Over the first 7 or 8 rounds, Brook was sticking and moving well, an Spence seemed a bit confused in there, tending to lunge in and get caught, instead of having a think and working Brook out.
I think I had Brook 77-75 up, at that point. After that, Spence took over.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
I'm not sure yet. Spence was being outboxed by Brook for 7-8 rounds, until Brook's tank emptied. I know Spence's body attack was part of it, but I'm not convinced Brook killing himself to make weight wasn't an issue too.
Crawford is a better technician than Brook, and Spence's opponents since that fight haven't exactly prepared him for this kind of test (you could say the same for Crawford). If it's 2020, Spence may have improved enough for it not to matter, but next year may still show a Special who's too green tactically to catch up to Crawford.
I thought Spence would have looked bigger, with the two side by side. I'm very narrowly favouring Crawford for now.
I heard that a few times, that 7-8 rounds talk, and it is as insane as the first time I heard it. I still can't believe that's a serious opinion it's blindly wrong. Unless everyone went to the Carl Froch School of poo scoring, which seems more and more possible as time passes. Brook did have the benefit of 27,000 people screaming for every missed shot I imagine that had more to do with it than any assumed weight issue. Weight drained Brook doesn't "win" 7-8 rounds or he's not really affected like some believe. I don't know how he would deserve more than 4 much less 8, he must have got mad credit for just attempting shots. Meanwhile he got nailed round after round, got dominated inside practically every round, and was clearly laboring by the mid point of the fight. I don't get that scoring at all, not reflective of what happened. But, hometown guy popular guy he was gonna get the edge in any toss up round anyway. Some rounds were close. Nothing after Spence broke his face was close, at worst Spence could have been down 4-2 by the eye break it took time to adjust to another good fighter. Spence's first big fight atmosphere too figured it would take awhile to get going and it did. Still, it's worth watching again and seeing how brutally Spence raked that body the whole fight.. Crawford will be asleep if he takes anywhere near the punishment Brook eventually succumbed to. But Crawford is a harder target, that's where the mystery lies. Can Spence do the necessary damage he'll need to to beat the prime elusive and dangerous Crawford. I think he will, if they meet. Spence's power is something else, and his chin is top notch, he has leeway that I think Crawford doesn't.
I wasn't trying to say he won 7 or 8 rounds, I just had him ahead at that point. Brook won 4 or 5 of the first 8. Spence may well have been good enough to close out and win over the championship rounds, but I do believe cutting the weight was an issue for Kell, and played a part in him losing that fight.
Over the first 7 or 8 rounds, Brook was sticking and moving well, an Spence seemed a bit confused in there, tending to lunge in and get caught, instead of having a think and working Brook out.
I think I had Brook 77-75 up, at that point. After that, Spence took over.
97-92 Spence at the time of stoppage.
I gave Brook rounds 1. 2 and 5.. that’s it..
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
I heard that a few times, that 7-8 rounds talk, and it is as insane as the first time I heard it. I still can't believe that's a serious opinion it's blindly wrong. Unless everyone went to the Carl Froch School of poo scoring, which seems more and more possible as time passes. Brook did have the benefit of 27,000 people screaming for every missed shot I imagine that had more to do with it than any assumed weight issue. Weight drained Brook doesn't "win" 7-8 rounds or he's not really affected like some believe. I don't know how he would deserve more than 4 much less 8, he must have got mad credit for just attempting shots. Meanwhile he got nailed round after round, got dominated inside practically every round, and was clearly laboring by the mid point of the fight. I don't get that scoring at all, not reflective of what happened. But, hometown guy popular guy he was gonna get the edge in any toss up round anyway. Some rounds were close. Nothing after Spence broke his face was close, at worst Spence could have been down 4-2 by the eye break it took time to adjust to another good fighter. Spence's first big fight atmosphere too figured it would take awhile to get going and it did. Still, it's worth watching again and seeing how brutally Spence raked that body the whole fight.. Crawford will be asleep if he takes anywhere near the punishment Brook eventually succumbed to. But Crawford is a harder target, that's where the mystery lies. Can Spence do the necessary damage he'll need to to beat the prime elusive and dangerous Crawford. I think he will, if they meet. Spence's power is something else, and his chin is top notch, he has leeway that I think Crawford doesn't.
I wasn't trying to say he won 7 or 8 rounds, I just had him ahead at that point. Brook won 4 or 5 of the first 8. Spence may well have been good enough to close out and win over the championship rounds, but I do believe cutting the weight was an issue for Kell, and played a part in him losing that fight.
Over the first 7 or 8 rounds, Brook was sticking and moving well, an Spence seemed a bit confused in there, tending to lunge in and get caught, instead of having a think and working Brook out.
I think I had Brook 77-75 up, at that point. After that, Spence took over.
97-92 Spence at the time of stoppage.
I gave Brook rounds 1. 2 and 5.. that’s it..
Just from looking back over my scores, and not re-watching anything, I gave Brook 2, 4, 5 and 6, with round 1 even.
Not watched or scored as a Brook fan either. He's a prime example of a wasted career, for me. Someone on his team didn't want to see him challenged. As a fan of the sport, talented fighters who don't face enough challenges don't sit well with me.
I do remember seeing a lot of youthful desperation, and a lot of shots wasted from Spence, over the first half.
A rematch now would almost certainly be different. At the time, Spence did ok. It wasn't the coming out party I hoped for.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 18 Nov 2018, 05:15
by apollo creed
Bottom line is TC has a good resume @ 140 with good wins over solid guys like Postol, Diaz and Dulorme. At 147 TC beat two undefeated fighters in their prime in Horn and Benavidez. On the other hand Spence has one solid win against Brook. The problem with Brook is he was brutalized by GGG at 160 and then he had to came down at 147 for Spence.
Although I think Spence is a very strong fighter , he won't be able to bulldoze TC because TC is a great matador with great angles, footwork and reflexes. Also TC has the ability to read his opponent and then adjust like FMJ.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 24 Nov 2018, 00:58
by Evander
Not sure what they were weighing during that but Spence looked noticeably bigger.
I hope I'm wrong but something tells me we won't be seeing that fight next year.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 24 Nov 2018, 02:19
by Stuarty
Evander wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018, 00:58
Not sure what they were weighing during that but Spence looked noticeably bigger.
I hope I'm wrong but something tells me we won't be seeing that fight next year.
It has to happen next year or there's something far far wrong with our sport man!
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 24 Nov 2018, 02:27
by Onetimeonly
Lol at horn & benavidez being big wins. Apollo rates resumes strictly on personal preference. Peterson is as good, if not better, than either. Pretty much my two favorite current fighters.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 24 Nov 2018, 02:28
by Stuarty
apollo creed wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 05:15
Bottom line is TC has a good resume @ 140 with good wins over solid guys like Postol, Diaz and Dulorme. At 147 TC beat two undefeated fighters in their prime in Horn and Benavidez. On the other hand Spence has one solid win against Brook. The problem with Brook is he was brutalized by GGG at 160 and then he had to came down at 147 for Spence.
Although I think Spence is a very strong fighter , he won't be able to bulldoze TC because TC is a great matador with great angles, footwork and reflexes. Also TC has the ability to read his opponent and then adjust like FMJ.
Crawford can bloody scrap as well man! That often gets overlooked! He can box with the best of them and he can fight with the best of them! Love watching him box, I love watching him scrap it out and I love watching him mix it up!! I must admit that I'm a bit of a fan boy but I just love watching this guy fight and make things happen! Phenomenal talent! He won't be beaten on skill! He'll only be bettered on size, strength or mistakes and he doesn't make a lot of them!
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 24 Nov 2018, 02:30
by Stuarty
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018, 02:27
Lol at horn & benavidez being big wins. Apollo rates resumes strictly on personal preference. Peterson is as good, if not better, than either. Pretty much my two favorite current fighters.
Which two are your favourite current fighters? Spence and Peterson? Exciting guys
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 24 Nov 2018, 02:30
by Onetimeonly
Totally agree, he's been my p4p1 for several years. I have Spence #2.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018, 02:27
Lol at horn & benavidez being big wins. Apollo rates resumes strictly on personal preference. Peterson is as good, if not better, than either. Pretty much my two favorite current fighters.
Which two are your favourite current fighters? Spence and Peterson? Exciting guys
Crawford and Spence.
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 24 Nov 2018, 02:34
by Stuarty
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018, 02:30
Totally agree, he's been my p4p1 for several years. I have Spence #2.
I have Crawford and then Loma as my 1 & 2... Spence is good but he uses his size well. I think the two before him are a lot more technical...
Re: Finally Errol Spence and Terence Crawford face to face
Posted: 24 Nov 2018, 02:37
by Stuarty
I honestly think we'll see Garcia show Spence a few tricks before Errolls size takes over! Garcia is smaller but he's a cracking little fighter who does everything well! He'll be tricky at the start I think....
