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I noticed that Wilder made a comment about Fury not being able to hack it in Big Bear iro training camp

I follow Fury on social media and he did seem to only stay a week or so before moving to LA

are we to read anything into this ? or is it never ideal for the heavyweights ?

No idea about Big Bear specifically but from the past I know that Tyson likes to do things his own way. He is also good at seeing past the fluff and nonsense and seeing things for what they are. I very much doubt he couldn't hack Big Bear but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he thought they over did it in areas he doesn't think you should over do.

sweetscience wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 12:43 I noticed that Wilder made a comment about Fury not being able to hack it in Big Bear iro training camp

I follow Fury on social media and he did seem to only stay a week or so before moving to LA

are we to read anything into this ? or is it never ideal for the heavyweights ?

Does anyone know what it actually is? Wasn't Ali one of the first to get into that...chopping trees in the mountains etc? Tbh, plenty of boxing men have always done whatever they've had to do, be it suburban (roads, gyms) or outdoor...
Kostya Tyszu was swimming in rivers and his outdoor training sessions were said to be quite something...

Surely each fighter has his own individualized training regimen that is the business of only him and his team.

To say "couldn't hack Big Bear.." sounds utter codswallop to me. Without specific information, it becomes utterly meaningless.

its the altitude

sweetscience wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 12:43 I noticed that Wilder made a comment about Fury not being able to hack it in Big Bear iro training camp

I follow Fury on social media and he did seem to only stay a week or so before moving to LA

are we to read anything into this ? or is it never ideal for the heavyweights ?

Fury said in a recent interview he was there three and a half weeks.

I see it as a big negative they bailed after a few weeks. Obviously went there for the altitude and to get fit as fire. Really wanting Fury to win but moving to LA and wheeling Roach on suggests prep isn’t what it might have been. That said he looks in dynamite shape a few weeks out. But there’s training to cut weight and training to win a WBC heavyweight title. Gonna be so interesting December 1.

Fury won't struggle with the pace on 1st December because he'll be setting it.

JimStone wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 13:33 Fury won't struggle with the pace on 1st December because he'll be setting it.

yeah I think your right there

can only see Wilder bombing him out & not outboxing him or tiring him out

He looks light to me. Perhaps too light?

He looked stronger for the Wlad fight but that’s back when he was eating his special beef so maybe that helped?

Either way I just hope he hasn’t overdone it.

Not being able to hack Big Bear could mean so many things. It’s not like they have to follow a pre determined training programme devised by someone else is it? They do what they do. If anything at all it will be the altitude surely?

Hasn’t Lennox, GGG, Ali, Oscar and Joe Joyce all hacked it there whilst training?

These comments are all about trying to undermine and get in Fury’s head. Wilder hasn’t managed it yet face to face and can’t see it happening on the night.

In an interview I watched he said the altitude training starting to become an hindrance rather than help, couldn't do the boxing training (at the pace he wanted) due to the lack of oxygen. Didn't see the point of the extra fitness if it meant missing boxing training

adamwillan wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 20:52 In an interview I watched he said the altitude training starting to become an hindrance rather than help, couldn't do the boxing training (at the pace he wanted) due to the lack of oxygen. Didn't see the point of the extra fitness if it meant missing boxing training

Well, the point of altitude training, is that if you stay there long enough, the lack of oxygen causes your red blood cell count to increase, allowing more of the oxygen that is available to be carried to the muscles where it's needed. Once your body has acclimatised properly, you should be able to train fairly normally. Then, when you move back to low altitude, your RBC count stays elevated for a while, so you feel super fit.

Fury is huge though. It makes sense that the altitude (lack of oxygen) would have had a much bigger impact on him, and taken a lot longer to get used to, than anyone below 175 for example. There are pros and cons to all training methods. None are perfect, or the 'correct' way to do things. At altitude, actual boxing training would suffer for a while, especially for a big guy.

dave_smith wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 16:11 Hasn’t Lennox, GGG, Ali, Oscar and Joe Joyce all hacked it there whilst training?

It's not about hacking it or not. Altitude training has some disadvantages, as well as advantages. It makes sense that the disadvantages are greater, for a fighter so physically big.

It's up to Fury and his team to work out which training methods best suit their preparation for the fight. It's fairly reasonable that someone might look at the down side, and conclude the benefits of altitude might not be worth it in their case.

To lose the weight he has lost , has not come about by a hour a day excercise , and fish and chips for tea ,, He would of been working real hard to shed the weight and getting fit at the same time , So i don't really think high altitude for fitness will benefit him more , its movement , speed , and skills he needs to be working on , so I agree come down and train at Roachs gym is a better idea

coneye wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 05:07 To lose the weight he has lost , has not come about by a hour a day excercise , and fish and chips for tea ,, He would of been working real hard to shed the weight and getting fit at the same time , So i don't really think high altitude for fitness will benefit him more , its movement , speed , and skills he needs to be working on , so I agree come down and train at Roachs gym is a better idea

After a fairly low level of fitness, training to lose enormous amounts of fat and training for super fitness are not the same. Training for 6 hours a day to drop body fat won’t really increase fitness.
As has been said, each boxer is different and some things work for one man that don’t for another.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 06:27

coneye wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018, 05:07 To lose the weight he has lost , has not come about by a hour a day excercise , and fish and chips for tea ,, He would of been working real hard to shed the weight and getting fit at the same time , So i don't really think high altitude for fitness will benefit him more , its movement , speed , and skills he needs to be working on , so I agree come down and train at Roachs gym is a better idea

After a fairly low level of fitness, training to lose enormous amounts of fat and training for super fitness are not the same. Training for 6 hours a day to drop body fat won’t really increase fitness.
As has been said, each boxer is different and some things work for one man that don’t for another.

Correct in general ,,, but has you lose the weight the fitness increases , and he lost most of the weight a while back , since his last fight, losing weight has'nt been the big issue , he's had plenty of time to get fit , and like i said losing the weight will definetly help , like i said he would of been getting fitter while shedding pounds , its took a lot of hard work to do what he done , not like Hatton who would spend 6 out of 10 weeks camp losing weight , Fury has done it over quite a while , and had the 2 trial runs , , Has someone else pointed out Big Bear is'nt the great help to bigger guys , spending time with Roach looking on to fine tune skills is probably a better idea .

One things for sure its certainly a interesting one , i can't pick a winner , Fury either , makes him look ameteurish and stupid . or gets knocked out , and i would'nt bet against a late ko in Furys favor ,, I'm definetly sitting on the fence for this one . Wilder Ko's AJ , but not so sure about Fury , and AJ, ko's Fury , styles make fights .