How many tickets does a boxer need to sell to be able to fight on a small hall show
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 19 Nov 2018, 12:22
by leejonesjnr
tim99b wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 11:54
How many tickets does a boxer need to sell to be able to fight on a small hall show
There is no solid rule but if you aren't coming off the back of some amateur success, generally for a 4 rounder you will be asked to sell 100 tickets. Money needs to be there to cover opponents wages (£1200 or so) contribute towards the costs of holding the promotion plus profit and then your own wages.
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 19 Nov 2018, 12:26
by mickey1975
You generally get ripped anyway, regardless how many you sell.
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 19 Nov 2018, 15:29
by Glass Joe
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 19 Nov 2018, 16:15
by Matt Teague
Generally small hall shows
A journeyman over 4x3’s would cost £1200 6x3’s £1500
So the home corner fighter has to cover that wage
For instance if the home fighters sells. £3200
£1200 of that is paid to journeyman
The remaining £2000 is split 50/50 to promoter and fighter. So the home fighter is paid £1000 then he has manager and trainer to pay so walks away with £750.
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 19 Nov 2018, 16:41
by mullenman
Jesus that’s awful... what a hard business to make a few pound but fair play to the small show promoters as I’d say it’s hard to make money for them too
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 19 Nov 2018, 17:28
by REEVE
I might sell tickets for my last ever fight (i did buckets full in the amas) but selling tickets at £12 each is way different to £40 each and its hard graft.
I feel sorry for the home lads having to work full time, train and then do tickets to end up w peanuts.. i know a few lads personally whove boxed for fornicate all or even worse had to put in £ for tickets sales to stay on the show.
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 19 Nov 2018, 17:48
by smiling assassin
REEVE wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 17:28
I might sell tickets for my last ever fight (i did buckets full in the amas) but selling tickets at £12 each is way different to £40 each and its hard graft.
I feel sorry for the home lads having to work full time, train and then do tickets to end up w peanuts.. i know a few lads personally whove boxed for eff all or even worse had to put in £ for tickets sales to stay on the show.
It is a hard sell when the majority of small hall shows are home fighters boxing boys with big losing records. I've not got any interest in it let alone paying £40 for the privilege.
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 03:12
by spudder56
REEVE wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 17:28
I might sell tickets for my last ever fight (i did buckets full in the amas) but selling tickets at £12 each is way different to £40 each and its hard graft.
I feel sorry for the home lads having to work full time, train and then do tickets to end up w peanuts.. i know a few lads personally whove boxed for eff all or even worse had to put in £ for tickets sales to stay on the show.
This is why a lot of lads like you choose to go on the road mate and who can blame you ? Journeymen fighting 30 times a year make more money than a top drawer boxer fighting 3 or 4 times a year and I would include non ticket selling champions in that unless of course tv money comes in
REEVE wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 17:28
I might sell tickets for my last ever fight (i did buckets full in the amas) but selling tickets at £12 each is way different to £40 each and its hard graft.
I feel sorry for the home lads having to work full time, train and then do tickets to end up w peanuts.. i know a few lads personally whove boxed for eff all or even worse had to put in £ for tickets sales to stay on the show.
This is why a lot of lads like you choose to go on the road mate and who can blame you ? Journeymen fighting 30 times a year make more money than a top drawer boxer fighting 3 or 4 times a year and I would include non ticket selling champions in that unless of course tv money comes in
I do understand the lads who do want to be prospects and maybe get a shot at the british etc but youd have to have a decent income OR a good sponsor to help u while u build up, truth be told 99% of the lads who set out arent good enough but if your selling enough tickets water can turn into wine - until they get so far and have to step up - lose - then its either finish or go on the road
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 08:46
by Coco
As a journeyman all this passed me by, and im glad!
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 09:54
by spudder56
Coco wrote: ↑20 Nov 2018, 08:46
As a journeyman all this passed me by, and im glad!
Yeah journeymen make more money than wannabe prospects and that’s for sure
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 14:26
by Coco
In the 90's, different times, when the fighter were chatting in the away dressing room, our opponents were labelled as ticket sellers or fighters who can fight.
A ticket seller was almost a name of abuse!
Nevertheless in those days there weren't so many ticket sellers as there normally were 2 sorts of shows, TV shows and dinner shows.
Most ticket sellers were taken on board by the promoters with TV and the dinner shows were financed by the posh business folk who had more interest in getting drunk! Therefore the dinner shows, while poorly paid was the opportunity for journeymen to pick up a win in a fair fight.
In those days the dinner circuit in the Midlands was thriving.
Now it seems there are many more small hall shows without TV where the boxers have to generate their own money.
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 14:38
by spudder56
Coco wrote: ↑20 Nov 2018, 14:26
In the 90's, different times, when the fighter were chatting in the away dressing room, our opponents were labelled as ticket sellers or fighters who can fight.
A ticket seller was almost a name of abuse!
Nevertheless in those days there weren't so many ticket sellers as there normally were 2 sorts of shows, TV shows and dinner shows.
Most ticket sellers were taken on board by the promoters with TV and the dinner shows were financed by the posh business folk who had more interest in getting drunk! Therefore the dinner shows, while poorly paid was the opportunity for journeymen to pick up a win in a fair fight.
In those days the dinner circuit in the Midlands was thriving.
Now it seems there are many more small hall shows without TV where the boxers have to generate their own money.
Very good post mate and yes it’s a great shame the demise of the old sporting clubs who used to put on regular dinner shows all over the midlands as a board inspector at the time I used to love the dinner shows I especially liked cleethorpes winter gardens as well
Coco wrote: ↑20 Nov 2018, 14:26
In the 90's, different times, when the fighter were chatting in the away dressing room, our opponents were labelled as ticket sellers or fighters who can fight.
A ticket seller was almost a name of abuse!
Nevertheless in those days there weren't so many ticket sellers as there normally were 2 sorts of shows, TV shows and dinner shows.
Most ticket sellers were taken on board by the promoters with TV and the dinner shows were financed by the posh business folk who had more interest in getting drunk! Therefore the dinner shows, while poorly paid was the opportunity for journeymen to pick up a win in a fair fight.
In those days the dinner circuit in the Midlands was thriving.
Now it seems there are many more small hall shows without TV where the boxers have to generate their own money.
Very good post mate and yes it’s a great shame the demise of the old sporting clubs who used to put on regular dinner shows all over the midlands as a board inspector at the time I used to love the dinner shows I especially liked cleethorpes winter gardens as well
I fought once on a Mike Dalton show in The Winter Gardens, Mad Frankie Fraser who was going out with Daltons sister was on the top table along with Tommy Wisbey, great memories.
Coco wrote: ↑20 Nov 2018, 14:26
In the 90's, different times, when the fighter were chatting in the away dressing room, our opponents were labelled as ticket sellers or fighters who can fight.
A ticket seller was almost a name of abuse!
Nevertheless in those days there weren't so many ticket sellers as there normally were 2 sorts of shows, TV shows and dinner shows.
Most ticket sellers were taken on board by the promoters with TV and the dinner shows were financed by the posh business folk who had more interest in getting drunk! Therefore the dinner shows, while poorly paid was the opportunity for journeymen to pick up a win in a fair fight.
In those days the dinner circuit in the Midlands was thriving.
Now it seems there are many more small hall shows without TV where the boxers have to generate their own money.
Very good post mate and yes it’s a great shame the demise of the old sporting clubs who used to put on regular dinner shows all over the midlands as a board inspector at the time I used to love the dinner shows I especially liked cleethorpes winter gardens as well
I fought once on a Mike Dalton show in The Winter Gardens, Mad Frankie Fraser who was going out with Daltons sister was on the top table along with Tommy Wisbey, great memories.
Yeah I was there as you say great memories mike dalton used to have some right characters as guests at his shows lol
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 15:34
by Coco
Top bloke Mike, treated me really nicely
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 20 Nov 2018, 15:37
by spudder56
Coco wrote: ↑20 Nov 2018, 15:34
Top bloke Mike, treated me really nicely
Yeah I always got on great with mike also his rival promotor joe frater was a good bloke as well both of them used to sell out the winter gardens great days up there
Re: Ticket sales
Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 08:46
by slapbangwhallop
mickey1975 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 12:26
You generally get ripped anyway, regardless how many you sell.
Coco wrote: ↑20 Nov 2018, 14:26
In the 90's, different times, when the fighter were chatting in the away dressing room, our opponents were labelled as ticket sellers or fighters who can fight.
A ticket seller was almost a name of abuse!
Nevertheless in those days there weren't so many ticket sellers as there normally were 2 sorts of shows, TV shows and dinner shows.
Most ticket sellers were taken on board by the promoters with TV and the dinner shows were financed by the posh business folk who had more interest in getting drunk! Therefore the dinner shows, while poorly paid was the opportunity for journeymen to pick up a win in a fair fight.
In those days the dinner circuit in the Midlands was thriving.
Now it seems there are many more small hall shows without TV where the boxers have to generate their own money.
Very good post mate and yes it’s a great shame the demise of the old sporting clubs who used to put on regular dinner shows all over the midlands as a board inspector at the time I used to love the dinner shows I especially liked cleethorpes winter gardens as well
I fought once on a Mike Dalton show in The Winter Gardens, Mad Frankie Fraser who was going out with Daltons sister was on the top table along with Tommy Wisbey, great memories.
I was probably on the same bill, he used to promote me in Grimsby always treat me well and used to give me and my bro a few extra quid. Good bloke was mike
mickey1975 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 12:26
You generally get ripped anyway, regardless how many you sell.
Thats pretty much bullshit!
Yep. A small hall promoter will ask you to cover the opponent's fee then sell enough tickets for you to earn. The basic brutality of boxing that most boxers learn early is that you have to sell to fight.
It was £1000 back in 2007, about 1200 now, but the aim of the game is getting out there and selling more tickets next time. Some fighters don't have big backing so they have to drag themselves up by their boxing bootlaces.