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Wilder/AJ would be the bigger fight.

Don’t think he cares too much. Joshua deals with them both.

Wilder would make for a more exciting fight I guess.

Hearn is trying to trash Fury, he's building up the potential AJ-Wilder fight. It's interesting, what Eddie will say after The Gypsy King comes out victorious on Dec 1, 2018, at Staples Center, LA.

They don't want Fury, or if Fury wins, there is a rematch clause.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 15:13 They don't want Fury, or if Fury wins, there is a rematch clause.

...and there's that...!

I definitely think Hearn wants Wilder to win. AJ vs Wilder is the fight the fans want. I heard they already talked about a 2 fight deal. First fight in the UK and the second fight in America. Makes sense though!

Joshua-Fury is a much bigger event commercially than Joshua-Wilder.

Unless the American can somehow become an overnight star and start attracting huge audiences figures, then the disparity in revenue generation would be enormous.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:52 Joshua-Fury is a much bigger event commercially than Joshua-Wilder.

Unless the American can somehow become an overnight star and start attracting huge audiences figures, then the disparity in revenue generation would be enormous.

Joshua/Wilder brings North America more into it despite the recent BS about Fury being more popular in the US boxing scene. US casuals would eat up that fight.

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:55

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:52 Joshua-Fury is a much bigger event commercially than Joshua-Wilder.

Unless the American can somehow become an overnight star and start attracting huge audiences figures, then the disparity in revenue generation would be enormous.

Joshua/Wilder brings North America more into it despite the recent BS about Fury being more popular in the US boxing scene. US casuals would eat up that fight.

If you review Wilder’s audience figures, they aren’t impressive and AJ isn’t really known on American shores either.

Who knows? Maybe the PPV buys figure for Wilder-Fury will prove me wrong, but I don’t believe that ‘The Bronze Bomber’ is considered a big name in his homeland.

An all-British showdown between two of the UK’s biggest name fighters, however, well that could potentially attract as much as 2m PPV buys, certainly 1.5m.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 21:00

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:55

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:52 Joshua-Fury is a much bigger event commercially than Joshua-Wilder.

Unless the American can somehow become an overnight star and start attracting huge audiences figures, then the disparity in revenue generation would be enormous.

Joshua/Wilder brings North America more into it despite the recent BS about Fury being more popular in the US boxing scene. US casuals would eat up that fight.

If you review Wilder’s audience figures, they aren’t impressive and AJ isn’t really known on American shores either.

Who knows? Maybe the PPV buys figure for Wilder-Fury will prove me wrong, but I don’t believe that ‘The Bronze Bomber’ is considered a big name in his homeland.

An all-British showdown between two of the UK’s biggest name fighters, however, well that could potentially attract as much as 2m PPV buys, certainly 1.5m.

Wilder is not a big name, but he is from the USA which would compel casuals to become interested in a US/UK based HW championship among two undefeated champions, especially if Wilder kayos Fury dramatically. If not, Fury/AJ would break all records but be primarily from sales in UK.

Ideal scenario for Eddie - Wilder wins in front of a sparse crowd and poor PPV figures.

He knows it'll be considerably easier to do a deal with Wilder than Fury and if this weekend's fight doesn't sell well, it makes Joshua the clear A side in negotiations.

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 04:27Ideal scenario for Eddie - Wilder wins in front of a sparse crowd and poor PPV figures.

He knows it'll be considerably easier to do a deal with Wilder than Fury and if this weekend's fight doesn't sell well, it makes Joshua the clear A side in negotiations.

The problem with your theory, which would be a massive issue, is that the less commercially popular Wilder is – the less money he generates.

Do you think that Eddie Hearn is involved in boxing for sporting reasons or to generate money?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 04:45

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 04:27Ideal scenario for Eddie - Wilder wins in front of a sparse crowd and poor PPV figures.

He knows it'll be considerably easier to do a deal with Wilder than Fury and if this weekend's fight doesn't sell well, it makes Joshua the clear A side in negotiations.

The problem with your theory, which would be a massive issue, is that the less commercially popular Wilder is – the less money he generates.

Do you think that Eddie Hearn is involved in boxing for sporting reasons or to generate money?

Less money in total but he'll be able to justify a bigger share of the pot surely? It'll be a co-promotion either way and Wilder's team aren't going to work for free.

E.g. he's better off having 65% of an £80m fight than 50% of a £100m fight.

If Fury wins the title, that makes a new level of mega fight ready to be made. Think of the copy it will generate for a start.

Noxy wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 09:38 If Fury wins the title, that makes a new level of mega fight ready to be made. Think of the copy it will generate for a start.

AJ v Wilder would be bigger.

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 09:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 04:45

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 04:27Ideal scenario for Eddie - Wilder wins in front of a sparse crowd and poor PPV figures.

He knows it'll be considerably easier to do a deal with Wilder than Fury and if this weekend's fight doesn't sell well, it makes Joshua the clear A side in negotiations.

The problem with your theory, which would be a massive issue, is that the less commercially popular Wilder is – the less money he generates.

Do you think that Eddie Hearn is involved in boxing for sporting reasons or to generate money?

Less money in total but he'll be able to justify a bigger share of the pot surely? It'll be a co-promotion either way and Wilder's team aren't going to work for free.

E.g. he's better off having 65% of an £80m fight than 50% of a £100m fight.

I’d agree with you if your numbers and percentage splits you’ve quoted were accurate, but I’m guessing that you’ve simply made them up to clarify the point you’re trying to make.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 12:17

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 09:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 04:45
The problem with your theory, which would be a massive issue, is that the less commercially popular Wilder is – the less money he generates.

Do you think that Eddie Hearn is involved in boxing for sporting reasons or to generate money?

Less money in total but he'll be able to justify a bigger share of the pot surely? It'll be a co-promotion either way and Wilder's team aren't going to work for free.

E.g. he's better off having 65% of an £80m fight than 50% of a £100m fight.

I’d agree with you if your numbers and percentage splits you’ve quoted were accurate, but I’m guessing that you’ve simply made them up to clarify the point you’re trying to make.

Well of course I've made the figures up to clarify my point, what do you expect? The point was that a bigger share of a smaller pot may be a better option than a smaller share of a bigger pot. The actual numbers were just used to illustrate the point. It's not that complicated is it?

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 09:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 04:45

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 04:27Ideal scenario for Eddie - Wilder wins in front of a sparse crowd and poor PPV figures.

He knows it'll be considerably easier to do a deal with Wilder than Fury and if this weekend's fight doesn't sell well, it makes Joshua the clear A side in negotiations.

The problem with your theory, which would be a massive issue, is that the less commercially popular Wilder is – the less money he generates.

Do you think that Eddie Hearn is involved in boxing for sporting reasons or to generate money?

Less money in total but he'll be able to justify a bigger share of the pot surely? It'll be a co-promotion either way and Wilder's team aren't going to work for free.

E.g. he's better off having 65% of an £80m fight than 50% of a £100m fight.

I'm pretty certain Hearn's PPV contracts with his fighters, allow him to take 20% of net profit for the event, off the top, before passing the remainder down to the fighters to split accordingly. At least that's how he described the situation around the time of the Brook vs Golovkin fight. It's a standard setup he's used for all of his PPV fighters.

If true, it's in Hearn's interest to build Wilder's profile as much as possible, even if it leaves Joshua taking a lower split.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 12:39

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 09:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 04:45 The problem with your theory, which would be a massive issue, is that the less commercially popular Wilder is – the less money he generates.

Do you think that Eddie Hearn is involved in boxing for sporting reasons or to generate money?

Less money in total but he'll be able to justify a bigger share of the pot surely? It'll be a co-promotion either way and Wilder's team aren't going to work for free.

E.g. he's better off having 65% of an £80m fight than 50% of a £100m fight.

I'm pretty certain Hearn's PPV contracts with his fighters, allow him to take 20% of net profit for the event, off the top, before passing the remainder down to the fighters to split accordingly. At least that's how he described the situation around the time of the Brook vs Golovkin fight. It's a standard setup he's used for all of his PPV fighters.

If true, it's in Hearn's interest to build Wilder's profile as much as possible, even if it leaves Joshua taking a lower split.

Now that would be different, absolutely, and in that case Hearn would want Wilder's profile as high as possible. However, he does seem to be very keen to push the "nobody knows who Deontay Wilder is" line over and over again so I'm not sure whether that 20% rule is locked-in. I certainly can't imagine team Wilder allowing Eddie to take 20% of the pot before they get a cut? Could be wrong of course, perhaps someone could enlighten us?

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 12:47

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 12:39

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 09:22
Less money in total but he'll be able to justify a bigger share of the pot surely? It'll be a co-promotion either way and Wilder's team aren't going to work for free.

E.g. he's better off having 65% of an £80m fight than 50% of a £100m fight.

I'm pretty certain Hearn's PPV contracts with his fighters, allow him to take 20% of net profit for the event, off the top, before passing the remainder down to the fighters to split accordingly. At least that's how he described the situation around the time of the Brook vs Golovkin fight. It's a standard setup he's used for all of his PPV fighters.

If true, it's in Hearn's interest to build Wilder's profile as much as possible, even if it leaves Joshua taking a lower split.

Now that would be different, absolutely, and in that case Hearn would want Wilder's profile as high as possible. However, he does seem to be very keen to push the "nobody knows who Deontay Wilder is" line over and over again so I'm not sure whether that 20% rule is locked-in. I certainly can't imagine team Wilder allowing Eddie to take 20% of the pot before they get a cut? Could be wrong of course, perhaps someone could enlighten us?

Wilder has founded a promotional company, Bombsquad or something. He's co-promoting the event vs. Fury.

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 12:47

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 12:39

the_doctor wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 09:22
Less money in total but he'll be able to justify a bigger share of the pot surely? It'll be a co-promotion either way and Wilder's team aren't going to work for free.

E.g. he's better off having 65% of an £80m fight than 50% of a £100m fight.

I'm pretty certain Hearn's PPV contracts with his fighters, allow him to take 20% of net profit for the event, off the top, before passing the remainder down to the fighters to split accordingly. At least that's how he described the situation around the time of the Brook vs Golovkin fight. It's a standard setup he's used for all of his PPV fighters.

If true, it's in Hearn's interest to build Wilder's profile as much as possible, even if it leaves Joshua taking a lower split.

Now that would be different, absolutely, and in that case Hearn would want Wilder's profile as high as possible. However, he does seem to be very keen to push the "nobody knows who Deontay Wilder is" line over and over again so I'm not sure whether that 20% rule is locked-in. I certainly can't imagine team Wilder allowing Eddie to take 20% of the pot before they get a cut? Could be wrong of course, perhaps someone could enlighten us?

Eddie telling us that nobody knows who Wilder is, is still drawing attention to Wilder.

https://youtu.be/zUzPkDdyjzo
Straight from the horse's mouth (contract structure discussed 24-28 mins in). Even if it's not 100% accurate, nobody is going to give us anything more concrete or detailed than that.

In terms of a strict 50/50 co-promotion, I couldn't say what the terms might be, but I doubt that's what we'll see. Matchroom would almost certainly act as lead promoter, "in association with" DiBella. In that scenario, I'd imagine Eddie's take would be that 20% off the top, with Lou with taking a % of Wilder's purse, or a separately negotiated % off the top.

Maybe if it is a 50/50 promotion, it's more complex than simple percentages, and the takes depend of which region income is generated? Who knows?

Either way, I'd say we're most likely looking at a 60/40 split between the fighters if Wilder looks impressive and builds his profile. There's no way Hearn ends up taking less money from a bigger fight. The gaps in percentages aren't big enough for that (the "flat fee" $15m was projected as about 35%+ of fighter purses anyway).

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 15:07 Wilder/AJ would be the bigger fight.

And that is exactly what Wilder's deep pocket handlers have been coddling and protecting Wilder for all this time with all their dirty tricks. They want to cash out on their cash cow in a big money fight with Joshua in the UK. They'll be trying all their dirty tricks in LA.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 13:11

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 15:07 Wilder/AJ would be the bigger fight.

And that is exactly what Wilder's deep pocket handlers have been coddling and protecting Wilder for all this time with all their dirty tricks. They want to cash out on their cash cow in a big money fight with Joshua in the UK. They'll be trying all their dirty tricks in LA.

Those dirty tricksters!

Probably, but both would be huge, Fury allready saying he wants 60% against AJ