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OH_RickNMorty wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:38 Now I completely respect Wilder for his ‘skills’ and resume in the ring. He’s a good boxer, to be fair to him, but...

Now we’ll start off with his fight with Luis Ortiz — arguably his most difficult fight so far — where Wilder eventually picked up the victory. He struggled with Ortiz for a while and was eventually rocked with a good left-right combination but regained himself after the sixty-second break between the rounds. Now people like Anthony Joshua would probably (I’m at least 80% sure) not struggle with the likes of Ortiz, neither would Tyson Fury, but I imagine Dillian Whyte would be challenged by him.
How can Wilder be taken seriously as a ‘world-class champ’ when he
struggles with the likes of Ortiz?! If Ortiz rocked him, Joshua could well KO Wilder — possibly even Fury, though that is more unlikely than less. Deontay Wilder is an above-average boxer, but certainly nothing elite or legendary.

I’m ranting/venting about this because I see a lot of people talking how Wilder could knock Joshua out, become the new Lineal Champion, and even unify the Heavyweight Division — even though people have only just found out about him!

KiwiRider wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:47 Wilder, Povitkin, Ortiz, Whyte, and even Price could knock Joshua out.
It's if they can land the KO shot before Joshua deals to them first.
Neither Wilder nor Joshua have a granite chin.
As for Wilder being over rated, in the current crop of heavies no, historically- heck yes!

OH_RickNMorty wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:51

KiwiRider wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:47 Wilder, Povitkin, Ortiz, Whyte, and even Price could knock Joshua out.
It's if they can land the KO shot before Joshua deals to them first.
Neither Wilder nor Joshua have a granite chin.
As for Wilder being over rated, in the current crop of heavies no, historically- heck yes!

I’m sure you’re aware of what happend to Povetkin and Whyte when they tried their luck. David Price KO’ing Anthony Joshua...? Now that’s just an insult to Joshua and the boxing community as a whole.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:57 The only person Joshua has fought that's as good as Ortiz is Wlad, and Joshua both tasted the canvas and nearly lost.

All the top heavyweights have serious limitattions, their not great, but it's great fun.

OH_RickNMorty wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:38

I’m ranting/venting about this because I see a lot of people talking how Wilder could knock Joshua out, become the new Lineal Champion, and even unify the Heavyweight Division — even though people have only just found out about him!

RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:39 Ortiz was the best HW in the world imo, when he KOd Jennings. He just left it too late to get his career going.

It was a good win for Wilder, better than Furys over an injured Klitchko, but mayge Not quite as AJs over a fit Klitchko.

Wilder is underrated, i keep hearing he can't box, etc, which is just stupid. He does make alot of mistakes, and he throws so much into his shots that he squares up and is easy to counter - but Ortiz countered him loads out of the southpaw stance, hurting wilder on more than 1 occassion, but even when hurt he still fired back.

His hands are quick and getting more accurate as his career progresses. He's as dangerous as they come as a HW.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:52

RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:39 Ortiz was the best HW in the world imo, when he KOd Jennings. He just left it too late to get his career going.

It was a good win for Wilder, better than Furys over an injured Klitchko, but mayge Not quite as AJs over a fit Klitchko.

Wilder is underrated, if keep hearing he can't box, etc, which is just stupid. He does make alot of mistakes, and he throws so much into his shots that he squares up and is easy to counter - but Ortiz countered him loads out of the southpaw stance, hurting wilder on more than 1 occassion, but even when hurt he still fired back.

His hands are quick and getting more accurate as his career progresses. He's as dangerous as they come as a HW.

Another good post Ricky

BitPlayer wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:57 The only person Joshua has fought that's as good as Ortiz is Wlad, and Joshua both tasted the canvas and nearly lost.

All the top heavyweights have serious limitattions, they're not great, but it's great fun.

lazboy wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:45

OH_RickNMorty wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 20:38

I’m ranting/venting about this because I see a lot of people talking how Wilder could knock Joshua out, become the new Lineal Champion, and even unify the Heavyweight Division — even though people have only just found out about him!

Oh wow you really got serious there. You must of had a lot of pent up aggression. Are you ok now, did you rant enough. Now maybe its time to calm down and make more David Haye versus posts.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:52

RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:39 Ortiz was the best HW in the world imo, when he KOd Jennings. He just left it too late to get his career going.

It was a good win for Wilder, better than Furys over an injured Klitchko, but mayge Not quite as AJs over a fit Klitchko.

Wilder is underrated, i keep hearing he can't box, etc, which is just stupid. He does make alot of mistakes, and he throws so much into his shots that he squares up and is easy to counter - but Ortiz countered him loads out of the southpaw stance, hurting wilder on more than 1 occassion, but even when hurt he still fired back.

His hands are quick and getting more accurate as his career progresses. He's as dangerous as they come as a HW.

Another good post Ricky

RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:39 It was a good win for Wilder, better than Furys over an injured Klitchko, but mayge Not quite as AJs over a fit Klitchko.

RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 05:36 Cheers tiny. Also forgot to mention Wilders amatuer career wasn't half bad either, which should further put to bed the myth he's a cr@p boxer. He's a better boxer than Fury.

DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:01 I guess, generally he is judged fairly. As a top competitor, but not the true champion.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 08:29 I think he's neither..

As a HW, he has the power to stop anyone and has stopped everyone he'd fought.

He's not the best boxer out there, no doubt about that.

Heretic wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 08:25

RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 05:36 Cheers tiny. Also forgot to mention Wilders amatuer career wasn't half bad either, which should further put to bed the myth he's a cr@p boxer. He's a better boxer than Fury.

What if you take the power away from Wilder? Would he still be good boxer? Better than Fury if they had same power?

I don't think so. Wilder has been loosing many rounds to pretty average boxers. Washington, Szpilka and even part time boxer Duhaupas took rounds of from him.

Without that power he would be nothing

Heretic wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 08:20

RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:39 It was a good win for Wilder, better than Furys over an injured Klitchko, but mayge Not quite as AJs over a fit Klitchko.

This is the first time that I have heard that Wlad was injured for the Fury bout. Do you have some kind of source to back up that info?

Syntax Error wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 12:07 There's a lot of revisionism re: Ortiz.

For a good while he was seen as the bogeyman of the HW; the uncrowded champ who no-one wanted to fight, the Wilder signs to fight, not once, but twice, eventually prevails in a see-saw battle and suddenly Ortiz is a fat old man with high blood pressure whom Wilder should have dispatched without breaking sweat.