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Everyone seems to rate Wilder highly, but who has he beat?

He has yeah. Ortiz, Spzilka, Duhaupass, Molina are solid wins. Chisora isn't really a great yardstick as he doesn't always turn up! The DelBoy v Vitali or Whyte is a formidable opponent but he's not reliable really is he! You don't know what version of him will turn up. Even his last fight (arguably a career best win) he was poor until the stoppage...

Stiverne 1 and Arreola are also decent wins.

Ortiz is better. Well-prepared Stiverne is also. Duhaupas, Szpilka are about the same.

defo ortiz was a better win then chisora, its one of the divisions very best wins

id rate chis above most his opponents though

Stuarty wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 21:19 Stiverne 1 and Arreola are also decent wins.

not really arreola at that point, unless youd also rate wilder beating fred kassi (arreola got a total gift draw vs fred) and trav kauffman as solid

People do have short memories , It was'nt that long ago , Fury was being critizized for cherry picking , not having the talent ect ect , He then beat Klitchco , but whatever you say a old and faded klitchko in a boring fight .

Wilder only a year ago , was being critizized , for cherry picking , worst heavyweight champ , ect ect ect . His one defining fight was against a OLD Ortiz , and he come very close to losing , definetly getting outboxed.

Now people are talking like there both masterclass , .For me what makes this fight intriguing is there evenly matched ,, non are great boxers like we are used to seeing , but average , and evenly matched , boxer v puncher . .

And the more i think about it AJ sparkles both of them .

It's difficult to imagine many posters giving wilder credit for beating anyone. Though they start the excuses before the fights. Chooses beating the Ortiz he faced would be a monumental upset.

coneye wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 01:12 People do have short memories , It was'nt that long ago , Fury was being critizized for cherry picking , not having the talent ect ect , He then beat Klitchco , but whatever you say a old and faded klitchko in a boring fight .

Wilder only a year ago , was being critizized , for cherry picking , worst heavyweight champ , ect ect ect . His one defining fight was against a OLD Ortiz , and he come very close to losing , definetly getting outboxed.

Now people are talking like there both masterclass , .For me what makes this fight intriguing is there evenly matched ,, non are great boxers like we are used to seeing , but average , and evenly matched , boxer v puncher . .

And the more i think about it AJ sparkles both of them .

Fury stepped up in the competition level before his title-shot. And Wilder was cherry-picking even when defending, when by the logic you must face the best.

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 01:02 Ortiz is better. Well-prepared Stiverne is also. Duhaupas, Szpilka are about the same.

Stiverne is useless, Chisora beats him easily.

Shambles wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 01:58

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 01:02 Ortiz is better. Well-prepared Stiverne is also. Duhaupas, Szpilka are about the same.

Stiverne is useless, Chisora beats him easily.

Stiverne is decent. The guy could box, he was pretty fast and sharp. His laziness and choice of a promoter spoiled a lot to him. On the one hand, he is underrated, on the other, he didn't do quite enough to be rated better. Stiverne of Arreola fights would have very likely handled Chisora.

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 02:15

Shambles wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 01:58

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 01:02 Ortiz is better. Well-prepared Stiverne is also. Duhaupas, Szpilka are about the same.

Stiverne is useless, Chisora beats him easily.

Stiverne is decent. The guy could box, he was pretty fast and sharp. His laziness and choice of a promoter spoiled a lot to him. On the one hand, he is underrated, on the other, he didn't do quite enough to be rated better. Stiverne of Arreola fights would have very likely handled Chisora.

No, he's terrible. Providing Chisora is relatively up for it he wins easily.

Shambles wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 02:22

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 02:15

Shambles wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 01:58

Stiverne is useless, Chisora beats him easily.

Stiverne is decent. The guy could box, he was pretty fast and sharp. His laziness and choice of a promoter spoiled a lot to him. On the one hand, he is underrated, on the other, he didn't do quite enough to be rated better. Stiverne of Arreola fights would have very likely handled Chisora.

No, he's terrible. Providing Chisora is relatively up for it he wins easily.

Why is he terrible? He showed some decent skills.

Ortiz is avoided like the plague I was surprised when Wilder fought him. Besides the donkeys shock KO last time against Tackam unless that’s the shape of things to come he’s in the B team. So yes wilder has fought better people than chisora

Stiverne was a unhearlded beast, watch that fight and it's a class performance from wilder.

Ortiz is definitely top 5 in the division. I think he's on the decline though, before even first wilder fight., think when he beat Jennings in that war was his peak.

Ortiz, despite being old, was an excellent win on paper. Although he lost nearly every round and was very close to getting stopped himself. Wilder found a way to win and earned a lot of respect that night.

The first Stiverne win was a good win also, Wilder doesn't really get the credit he deserves for that win, probably because Stiverne went on to do so little afterwards.

Wilder has several wins against guys who are roughly on par with the Chisora that Fury fought twice.

The big difference being that Fury barely lost a round to Delboy over two bouts, yet Wilder struggled with Duhapas, Szpilka and Washington (even looked to be down on the cards vs the latter two).
He was also wobbled quite badly by Molina, which wasn't a good look.

Yes, obviously. Luis Ortiz

Stiverne is more accomplished than Chisora too. Though Chisora would probably take Stiverne if they were to fight right now.

stve beat arreola ..came from behind vs old austn....and?

not sure he has done much more then chsora though he captured that belt . stve would no doubt have many more losses on chsoras schedule. del has carlos ....scott...and a few at least as good as stves next best after arreola and austn....and of course del should really have gotten that vctory vs unbeaten helenus too...terrble robbery that when you recognze it unfairly detracts from what chsora has won

stve vs del few years ago wouldve been nterstng. stve wth good power but chsora capable of a hgher punch output and wth a good chin.

jamamb wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 10:44 stve beat arreola ..came from behind vs old austn....and?

not sure he has done much more then chsora though he captured that belt . stve would no doubt have many more losses on chsoras schedule. del has carlos ....scott...and a few at least as good as stves next best after arreola and austn....and of course del should really have gotten that vctory vs unbeaten helenus too...terrble robbery that when you recognze it unfairly detracts from what chsora has won

stve vs del few years ago wouldve been nterstng. stve wth good power but chsora capable of a hgher punch output and wth a good chin.

Your "I" button is not working my friend. Lol

Stiverne at one time on this forum was a consensus top 5.
Hindsight is 20/20 but at one point it was the accepted opinion

not sure how he was rated, we can all see what hes done though, he was defo top ten but more around at the right time imo, id place him at a similar level to chisora but obviously ortiz is a much better win then chis would be

Ortiz is much better than Chisora.

I'd even say that Stiverne the first time around was better too.

I might even plump for Arreola over Chisora too, although I'm not wholly confident about that pick.

nah ppl seem to be forgetting by that time arreola couldnt even beat fred kasdi, got a total gift draw. i thought he lost to kauffman too and he had a tough war with that harper fellow who left the ring vs ajagba

Syntax Error wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 12:53 Ortiz is much better than Chisora.

I'd even say that Stiverne the first time around was better too.

I might even plump for Arreola over Chisora too, although I'm not wholly confident about that pick.

Duhaupas could possibly beat Chisora. I think he's probably at least an even matchup with him.

Ortiz,monlina,stiverne 1,arreola and washington all were better than chisora at the tine wilder beat them

thechump wrote: ↑30 Nov 2018, 13:43 Ortiz,monlina,stiverne 1,arreola and washington all were better than chisora at the tine wilder beat them

utter nonsense, arreola wasnt even able to beat fred kassi (the draw was a gift) and molina has never been anything, struggling with tony grano is a big win for him, pretty sure del would beat wash too...

malik scott is better then molina and arreola