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TheBeast wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 22:33 I think some country can be tagged with styles and Italy is a good example... most fights there are phonebooth wars which make for entertaining local scraps but fighters with that style often can step further than that level.

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 06:48 I haven't seen much of him but i heard that he's decent. i would like to see him vs other undefeated prospect Michal Cieslak.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 07:17

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 06:48 I haven't seen much of him but i heard that he's decent. i would like to see him vs other undefeated prospect Michal Cieslak.

He's quite promising, knocking people out since his amateur years... he's got a solid punch and decent dynamism (a bit like Fragomeni, if you know what I'm talking about... in-fighter, but not as flamboyant as Cammarelle, altho possessing a knock-out-punch), but he needs to improve, obviously: by now I see him maybe bringing an EBU title home, in a few years, but bravely losing to the first, properly-trained, world-class opposition he'll meet... except if he'll relocate in the US, joining the likes of Wild Card, Mayweather Boxing Club, Oxnard (Kronk, Gleason's if they're still there...) gyms, and related promoters...

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 07:24

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 07:17

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 06:48 I haven't seen much of him but i heard that he's decent. i would like to see him vs other undefeated prospect Michal Cieslak.

He's quite promising, knocking people out since his amateur years... he's got a solid punch and decent dynamism (a bit like Fragomeni, if you know what I'm talking about... in-fighter, but not as flamboyant as Cammarelle, altho possessing a knock-out-punch), but he needs to improve, obviously: by now I see him maybe bringing an EBU title home, in a few years, but bravely losing to the first, properly-trained, world-class opposition he'll meet... except if he'll relocate in the US, joining the likes of Wild Card, Mayweather Boxing Club, Oxnard (Kronk, Gleason's if they're still there...) gyms, and related promoters...

I don't think that he needs to move to the USA, especially as a Cruiser, there are loads of sparring partners in Europe, fighters out of Poland (and Poland- based) like Włodarczyk and Głowacki were champions recently, other like Masternak are good too, there is a champion from Latvia, so i can imagine a fighter based in Italy to win the CW title.

current EBU titleholder is Yves Ngabu, undefeated prospect as well. Goulamirian, Ngabu, Turchi, Cieslak, Kashinsky and much more other European CW undefeated prospects, they need to fight each other or at least to finally fight decent opponents.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 08:22

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 07:24

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 07:17

He's quite promising, knocking people out since his amateur years... he's got a solid punch and decent dynamism (a bit like Fragomeni, if you know what I'm talking about... in-fighter, but not as flamboyant as Cammarelle, altho possessing a knock-out-punch), but he needs to improve, obviously: by now I see him maybe bringing an EBU title home, in a few years, but bravely losing to the first, properly-trained, world-class opposition he'll meet... except if he'll relocate in the US, joining the likes of Wild Card, Mayweather Boxing Club, Oxnard (Kronk, Gleason's if they're still there...) gyms, and related promoters...

I don't think that he needs to move to the USA, especially as a Cruiser, there are loads of sparring partners in Europe, fighters out of Poland (and Poland- based) like Włodarczyk and Głowacki were champions recently, other like Masternak are good too, there is a champion from Latvia, so i can imagine a fighter based in Italy to win the CW title.

current EBU titleholder is Yves Ngabu, undefeated prospect as well. Goulamirian, Ngabu, Turchi, Cieslak, Kashinsky and much more other European CW undefeated prospects, they need to fight each other or at least to finally fight decent opponents.

Right, good point: the big guys are all around Eastern Europe... I was picturing the classic USA-based boxing scene... yeah, he could also move to Germany f. e., joining Universum or stuff like that... allegedly wouldn't be half-bad either: big guys can be found also over the Channel.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:27

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 08:22

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 07:24
I don't think that he needs to move to the USA, especially as a Cruiser, there are loads of sparring partners in Europe, fighters out of Poland (and Poland- based) like Włodarczyk and Głowacki were champions recently, other like Masternak are good too, there is a champion from Latvia, so i can imagine a fighter based in Italy to win the CW title.

current EBU titleholder is Yves Ngabu, undefeated prospect as well. Goulamirian, Ngabu, Turchi, Cieslak, Kashinsky and much more other European CW undefeated prospects, they need to fight each other or at least to finally fight decent opponents.

Right, good point: the big guys are all around Eastern Europe... I was picturing the classic USA-based boxing scene... yeah, he could also move to Germany f. e., joining Universum or stuff like that... allegedly wouldn't be half-bad either: big guys can be found also over the Channel.

The main thing is that he's got to leave Italy, because boxers don't have any business here, at world-class level, except if something new has happened and I still haven't noticed, which might be plausible, but I wouldn't bet on that.

Fonfara, besides, talking about Polish fighters, wasn't half-bad either. I learned that he went cruiser too...

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:46 Look: I wrote "allegedly" and it "translated" it in "allegedly"... i had to write it "frànk warren" because he was still saying "allegedly": how's that?

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 04:37

TheBeast wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 22:33 I think some country can be tagged with styles and Italy is a good example... most fights there are phonebooth wars which make for entertaining local scraps but fighters with that style often can step further than that level.

I don't want to act bitterly, but: Bundu, Di Rocco, Casamonica... all talented, gifted, but not eager to withstand the athletic superiority of American boxers, which train more and better than the Italians, and it shows, even if many of the Italian boxers that went for the WBC-world title -and lost- had all the makings (check Michele Di Rocco...).

I don't mean no disrespect to the good Turchi, but the only chance he has, in my eyes, is to settle, live and train in the U. S., like Carnera did a long time ago... no way he's gonna be a world-champion if he trains in Italy... or at least very few chances...

TheBeast wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 11:27

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 04:37

TheBeast wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 22:33 I think some country can be tagged with styles and Italy is a good example... most fights there are phonebooth wars which make for entertaining local scraps but fighters with that style often can step further than that level.

I don't want to act bitterly, but: Bundu, Di Rocco, Casamonica... all talented, gifted, but not eager to withstand the athletic superiority of American boxers, which train more and better than the Italians, and it shows, even if many of the Italian boxers that went for the WBC-world title -and lost- had all the makings (check Michele Di Rocco...).

I don't mean no disrespect to the good Turchi, but the only chance he has, in my eyes, is to settle, live and train in the U. S., like Carnera did a long time ago... no way he's gonna be a world-champion if he trains in Italy... or at least very few chances...

Nevers was too impressed with dirocco. Bundu and Marsili are the best and most talented level Wise imo

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:49

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:46 Look: I wrote "allegedly" and it "translated" it in "allegedly"... i had to write it "frànk warren" because he was still saying "allegedly": how's that?

''Fwank Warren'' are banned, censored words here, i do not know exactly why, BoxRec had some conflict with him in past if i remember well.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 14:15

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:49

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:46 Look: I wrote "allegedly" and it "translated" it in "allegedly"... i had to write it "frànk warren" because he was still saying "allegedly": how's that?

''Fwank Warren'' are banned, censored words here, i do not know exactly why, BoxRec had some conflict with him in past if i remember well.

That's stupid-enough: banning anyone's name... It's not the first evidence of people having some serious issues, here.

Thanks, btw.

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 14:16

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 14:15

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:49

''Fwank Warren'' are banned, censored words here, i do not know exactly why, BoxRec had some conflict with him in past if i remember well.

That's stupid-enough: banning anyone's name... It's not the first evidence of people having some serious issues, here.

Thanks, btw.

Testing. allegedly

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:47

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:27

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 08:22

Right, good point: the big guys are all around Eastern Europe... I was picturing the classic USA-based boxing scene... yeah, he could also move to Germany f. e., joining Universum or stuff like that... allegedly wouldn't be half-bad either: big guys can be found also over the Channel.

The main thing is that he's got to leave Italy, because boxers don't have any business here, at world-class level, except if something new has happened and I still haven't noticed, which might be plausible, but I wouldn't bet on that.

Fonfara, besides, talking about Polish fighters, wasn't half-bad either. I learned that he went cruiser too...

Yeah, he defeated Sillakh and he will fight Edwin ''La Bomba'' Rodriguez at CW in february. I like this fight.

But to be fair, i think that Fonfara had a extremely decent career for someone with this size of talent, i expected him to achieve a lot less but he managed to get some good wins, he also did respectably well vs Stevenson in their first fight.

I would like to see him vs Włodarczyk. if not then against other Polish cruisers like Masternak or Cieslak. For now i rank him as #5 at Polish CW.

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 14:16

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 14:15

dagilechia wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 09:49

''Fwank Warren'' are banned, censored words here, i do not know exactly why, BoxRec had some conflict with him in past if i remember well.

That's stupid-enough: banning anyone's name... It's not the first evidence of people having some serious issues, here.

Thanks, btw.

Testing. allegedly

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 15:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 14:16

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 14:15

That's stupid-enough: banning anyone's name... It's not the first evidence of people having some serious issues, here.

Thanks, btw.

Testing. allegedly

Now I didn't get that: you were allegedly testing... what, please?

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 15:20

Jacopodb wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 15:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 14:16
Testing. allegedly

Now I didn't get that: you were allegedly testing... what, please?

Fwank Warren being translated as allegedly. I put his proper name in and it came up allegedly. Dumbest thing I've seen.