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So has any of the forum dwellers here trained kickboxing?

I have been training for the last 3 years. Bit on and off I have to admit but I try to go two times every week. Great workout

Did a little bit before I started boxing, certainly got you fit but wasn’t for me, I liked Muay Thai and would’ve probably stuck with that had boxing not reeled me in.

Done a bit of kickboxing training in the past, liked it but prefer Muay Thai

always wanted to kickbox instead of box but could never find a serious fighters gym

Yes but only competed in Micky mouse interclub tournaments. Now train Muay Thai,Jkd and escrima. Tho at 40+ I'm finding the Muay Thai a bit of a grind impact wise and am flirting with BJJ. I was told that it was one of the demanding training sessions possible, but I've been to 2 classes thus far and don't see what the big deal is.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:58 Yes but only competed in Micky mouse interclub tournaments. Now train Muay Thai,Jkd and escrima. Tho at 40+ I'm finding the Muay Thai a bit of a grind impact wise and am flirting with BJJ. I was told that it was one of the demanding training sessions possible, but I've been to 2 classes thus far and don't see what the big deal is.

Bjj is quality mate

jamamb wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 14:43 always wanted to kickbox instead of box but could never find a serious fighters gym

There's quite a few just for fitness gyms when it comes to kickboxing but there's a few good'uns too for fighting where abouts you at

Oiky wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 19:49

Steveh583 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:58 Yes but only competed in Micky mouse interclub tournaments. Now train Muay Thai,Jkd and escrima. Tho at 40+ I'm finding the Muay Thai a bit of a grind impact wise and am flirting with BJJ. I was told that it was one of the demanding training sessions possible, but I've been to 2 classes thus far and don't see what the big deal is.

Bjj is quality mate

Not putting down the effectiveness for what it is designed for, just was expecting a much more intense workout. You listen to people like joe rogan and you'd be under the impression it's this super elite class that will leave you sore for days. In all honesty, I feel it on the inner thighs from using the guard, but find Muay Thai clinchwork much more intense.

Maybe it's a shit class then. It's run by a purple belt.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 20:01

Oiky wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 19:49

Steveh583 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:58 Yes but only competed in Micky mouse interclub tournaments. Now train Muay Thai,Jkd and escrima. Tho at 40+ I'm finding the Muay Thai a bit of a grind impact wise and am flirting with BJJ. I was told that it was one of the demanding training sessions possible, but I've been to 2 classes thus far and don't see what the big deal is.

Bjj is quality mate

Not putting down the effectiveness for what it is designed for, just was expecting a much more intense workout. You listen to people like joe rogan and you'd be under the impression it's this super elite class that will leave you sore for days. In all honesty, I feel it on the inner thighs from using the guard, but find Muay Thai clinchwork much more intense.

Maybe it's a poo class then. It's run by a purple belt.

Yeah there's diff levels in the uk mate, some gyms are great, some are sh*t, I only dabbled in it for a while and found it a very good workout, not the most intense of the lot, but very good and very effective, I prefer all the ncaa wrestling to bjj though, like freestyle wrestling, Greco-roman and catch-as-catch can, but if someone knows there bjj it's lethal

100% agree Re Muay Thai clinch work

Oiky wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 20:59

Steveh583 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 20:01

Oiky wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 19:49
Bjj is quality mate

Not putting down the effectiveness for what it is designed for, just was expecting a much more intense workout. You listen to people like joe rogan and you'd be under the impression it's this super elite class that will leave you sore for days. In all honesty, I feel it on the inner thighs from using the guard, but find Muay Thai clinchwork much more intense.

Maybe it's a poo class then. It's run by a purple belt.

Yeah there's diff levels in the uk mate, some gyms are great, some are sh*t, I only dabbled in it for a while and found it a very good workout, not the most intense of the lot, but very good and very effective, I prefer all the ncaa wrestling to bjj though, like freestyle wrestling, Greco-roman and catch-as-catch can, but if someone knows there bjj it's lethal

100% agree Re Muay Thai clinch work

Would love to do Greco or authentic catch as catch can. I like the fact with grappling arts you can go almost all out without getting bashed up.i actually found that taiji pushing hands was a MASSIVE benefit when I first rolled as I knew when to relax and how to go to where there was zero pressure instinctively (if that makes sense). It made me used to that smothering kind of feeling.

I did an interesting seminar last night with Phil normans ghost elusive boxing system and I'm really feeling it this morning. Anyone walking behind me on the school run is getting watery eyes from all the deep heat

Steveh583 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2018, 03:47

Oiky wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 20:59

Steveh583 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 20:01

Not putting down the effectiveness for what it is designed for, just was expecting a much more intense workout. You listen to people like joe rogan and you'd be under the impression it's this super elite class that will leave you sore for days. In all honesty, I feel it on the inner thighs from using the guard, but find Muay Thai clinchwork much more intense.

Maybe it's a poo class then. It's run by a purple belt.

Yeah there's diff levels in the uk mate, some gyms are great, some are sh*t, I only dabbled in it for a while and found it a very good workout, not the most intense of the lot, but very good and very effective, I prefer all the ncaa wrestling to bjj though, like freestyle wrestling, Greco-roman and catch-as-catch can, but if someone knows there bjj it's lethal

100% agree Re Muay Thai clinch work

Would love to do Greco or authentic catch as catch can. I like the fact with grappling arts you can go almost all out without getting bashed up.i actually found that taiji pushing hands was a MASSIVE benefit when I first rolled as I knew when to relax and how to go to where there was zero pressure instinctively (if that makes sense). It made me used to that smothering kind of feeling.

I did an interesting seminar last night with Phil normans ghost elusive boxing system and I'm really feeling it this morning. Anyone walking behind me on the school run is getting watery eyes from all the deep heat

Yeah I'd like to do it too mate, never done it, but I follow wrestling/grappling, never used to be big on it at all, but it's very underrated imo and those boys train very very hard and the skill level is very high

Haha good ol deep heat

starting in new year. Getting a bit bored of the gym and I need something new. 36 and starting form scratch so aint ever gonna be Jean Claude Van Damme. My lass and the bairn go and they have both just graded, blue and yellow belts. My little girl is only 5. The club is NEKA - ran by a lad called Wes Fagan who held a world title and I believe is quite well thought of.

Hello all, i am the muay thai figher from Czech republic, i have 15 amateurs fights(muay thai) and 1 profi fight. My record is BAD i am 5-10-1, but i love the thaiboxing and i know that i will do this sport for all years in my live. I dont have any experience with classic thailand clinching in the Thailand, but it is my big dream. Anybody is there who have some experience with training in Thailand with tiger gym,buakaw, saenchai and other big names?? Enjoy

esquiere wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 10:16 Hello all, i am the muay thai figher from Czech republic, i have 15 amateurs fights(muay thai) and 1 profi fight. My record is BAD i am 5-10-1, but i love the thaiboxing and i know that i will do this sport for all years in my live. I dont have any experience with classic thailand clinching in the Thailand, but it is my big dream. Anybody is there who have some experience with training in Thailand with tiger gym,buakaw, saenchai and other big names?? Enjoy

I have a friend who trained at tiger gym and said it was much more technique based than he imagined. They weren't constantly smashing pads for the sake of it and instead trained gently with correct form and cos of this they could train for hours

Gregory DeDonno is my choice in the underground mma fight world. An active competitor with an amateur-pro record of 8-2 ( 6 of those 8 by knockout), he is definitely looking to solidify his space by entering to compete in upcoming X5 mma extreme (April, 2020).
Anito Ceres in that upcoming face-off is expected to be defeated by DeDonno although he is currently undefeated at 11-0. Posted updates will be come

Steveh583 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 18:49I have a friend who trained at tiger gym and said it was much more technique based than he imagined. They weren't constantly smashing pads for the sake of it and instead trained gently with correct form and cos of this they could train for hours

Yeah, I have spoken to a few guys who have been World Kickboxing Champions at amateur level and travelled to Thailand to train in Muay Thai for 2-3 weeks at a time... And they said the same thing to me.

You could go on Youtube and see an absolute gym war of a spar, but most of the top-class gyms don't allow that. It's really not about boys training together just to smash the f@ck out of each other...

They do work a lot on the Muay Thai grapple and fighting in extra close range and gently tapping each other with knees and elbows... To the untrained eye, it woukd probably look a lot like some sort of close dancing... But it's extremely effective... Anyone who has seen a cross-elbow strike land land flush will know how destructive it can be...

Crease wrote: ↑23 Feb 2021, 11:32

Steveh583 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 18:49I have a friend who trained at tiger gym and said it was much more technique based than he imagined. They weren't constantly smashing pads for the sake of it and instead trained gently with correct form and cos of this they could train for hours

Yeah, I have spoken to a few guys who have been World Kickboxing Champions at amateur level and travelled to Thailand to train in Muay Thai for 2-3 weeks at a time... And they said the same thing to me.

You could go on Youtube and see an absolute gym war of a spar, but most of the top-class gyms don't allow that. It's really not about boys training together just to smash the f@ck out of each other...

They do work a lot on the Muay Thai grapple and fighting in extra close range and gently tapping each other with knees and elbows... To the untrained eye, it woukd probably look a lot like some sort of close dancing... But it's extremely effective... Anyone who has seen a cross-elbow strike land land flush will know how destructive it can be...

they tend to jostle for dominant position and head control in the clinch. They are very clever trainers cos they fight so frequently over there and its so extreme.

Shhhh wrote: ↑13 Mar 2021, 12:33

Steveh583 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 20:01

Oiky wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 19:49
Bjj is quality mate

Not putting down the effectiveness for what it is designed for, just was expecting a much more intense workout. You listen to people like joe rogan and you'd be under the impression it's this super elite class that will leave you sore for days. In all honesty, I feel it on the inner thighs from using the guard, but find Muay Thai clinchwork much more intense.

Maybe it's a shit class then. It's run by a purple belt.

why does that shit s h i t come up correctly in your text?! Usually it gets reworded as poo

good question, i've no idea

shit

Steveh583 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 20:01

Oiky wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 19:49

Steveh583 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:58 Yes but only competed in Micky mouse interclub tournaments. Now train Muay Thai,Jkd and escrima. Tho at 40+ I'm finding the Muay Thai a bit of a grind impact wise and am flirting with BJJ. I was told that it was one of the demanding training sessions possible, but I've been to 2 classes thus far and don't see what the big deal is.

Bjj is quality mate

Not putting down the effectiveness for what it is designed for, just was expecting a much more intense workout. You listen to people like joe rogan and you'd be under the impression it's this super elite class that will leave you sore for days. In all honesty, I feel it on the inner thighs from using the guard, but find Muay Thai clinchwork much more intense.

Maybe it's a shit class then. It's run by a purple belt.

Having done both in the same gym, I think BJJ is generally less intense than boxing, MT and wrestling. I would put MT up with there with some of the most demanding sports there is. Compared to boxing I found I got hit a lot less in sparring etc so it wasn't as intense as boxing that way. But the training worked more of the body and clinch work left me sore after every session. If you were in a gi that slows BJJ down. No gi BJJ/catch wrestling etc can be intense as all hell when you're both slipper and fighting for top position etc.

p4p1 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 00:07

Steveh583 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 20:01

Oiky wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 19:49
Bjj is quality mate

Not putting down the effectiveness for what it is designed for, just was expecting a much more intense workout. You listen to people like joe rogan and you'd be under the impression it's this super elite class that will leave you sore for days. In all honesty, I feel it on the inner thighs from using the guard, but find Muay Thai clinchwork much more intense.

Maybe it's a shit class then. It's run by a purple belt.

Having done both in the same gym, I think BJJ is generally less intense than boxing, MT and wrestling. I would put MT up with there with some of the most demanding sports there is. Compared to boxing I found I got hit a lot less in sparring etc so it wasn't as intense as boxing that way. But the training worked more of the body and clinch work left me sore after every session. If you were in a gi that slows BJJ down. No gi BJJ/catch wrestling etc can be intense as all hell when you're both slipper and fighting for top position etc.

muay thai is definitely a young mans game. it just DEMANDS fitness from you doesn't it? I made the mistake of standing still in front of a sparring partner when i first started. his coach screamed "NOW" and the guy unloaded 3 full power kicks to my leg. I was left whimpering like a dog that had been hit by a car for 2 days never made that mistake again.

I'd like to give BJJ another go when lockdown is over. I have been doing dones of bodyweight exercises that i think would help prep me.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 03:23

p4p1 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 00:07

Steveh583 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 20:01

Not putting down the effectiveness for what it is designed for, just was expecting a much more intense workout. You listen to people like joe rogan and you'd be under the impression it's this super elite class that will leave you sore for days. In all honesty, I feel it on the inner thighs from using the guard, but find Muay Thai clinchwork much more intense.

Maybe it's a shit class then. It's run by a purple belt.

Having done both in the same gym, I think BJJ is generally less intense than boxing, MT and wrestling. I would put MT up with there with some of the most demanding sports there is. Compared to boxing I found I got hit a lot less in sparring etc so it wasn't as intense as boxing that way. But the training worked more of the body and clinch work left me sore after every session. If you were in a gi that slows BJJ down. No gi BJJ/catch wrestling etc can be intense as all hell when you're both slipper and fighting for top position etc.

muay thai is definitely a young mans game. it just DEMANDS fitness from you doesn't it? I made the mistake of standing still in front of a sparring partner when i first started. his coach screamed "NOW" and the guy unloaded 3 full power kicks to my leg. I was left whimpering like a dog that had been hit by a car for 2 days never made that mistake again.

I'd like to give BJJ another go when lockdown is over. I have been doing dones of bodyweight exercises that i think would help prep me.

Guys like JWP for one and some other guys I've met who are past their mid 30s but have been MT fighters most of their lives are just a wreck body wise. JWP is 44 and had a hip replacement not long ago that IIRC he had been putting off for a few years.

I think BJJ especially with a gi on is a good but relevant/real martial art for older people to do. It's not too crazy but still effective with lots of participants and age divisions if competing is your thing.

I did something similar, as a boxer giving something else a go when sparring I ducked as I normally would when boxing and ended up with a knee in the head. Didn't make that mistake again. The thai's have bags full of tricks etc especially in the clinch but I don't think its the smartest way to fight all the time. There's a guy where I live who's quite successful and uses heaps of movement, similar in a way to Ali's constant movement. He has paid a few times for "not being aggressive enough" when in reality he is just deciding when and where the fight will take place. Watching someone like Toby Smith in the clinch is a thing of beauty though, brutal beauty but still pretty incredible. The way he smashed JWP to bits with his clinch and aggressiveness was pretty incredible given JWPs own aggression.

Why wrestlers don't go to thailand/thai gyms and work hours a day on the MT clinch with elbows and knees is beyond me. A great wrestler with a strong thai clinch game would be a fornicating killer in MMA IMO.