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Anyone else think...
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 08:46
by boxrecer777
Edwards had Fury 4-1 up at the start of the 6th so he gifted Wilder the next couple of rounds so as to avoid a 119-109 type score which he feared would make him stand out? Only for this "narrowing" to go catastrophically wrong when Wilder added two KD rounds later on...
As for the Mexican judge I think he may have been attempting to do a similar thing in the middle rounds too but for Fury.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 08:51
by SteveDow
God knows how fights are actually scored but it wouldn't remotely surprise me if cards are altered at the end of a fight before being submitted. I'd be very much in favour of judges having to reveal their scores at the end of the 4th and 8th rounds so people can actually see what way a fight is going as I find it hard to believe that there are so many draws and razor thin wins in these championship fights recently.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 08:53
by Ricky
The stink over the cards is starting to annoy me.
It was a close fight that got scored a draw. Get over it.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 09:35
by vidal
RKY wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:53
The stink over the cards is starting to annoy me.
It was a close fight that got scored a draw. Get over it.
OK everyone stop posting opinions, it's starting to get on fella-me-lads tits.........
Fury was robbed mind
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 10:23
by REEVE
It wasnt a "draw" tho never in a million years .....just means aj gets to avoid both for a bit longer while they have a re match
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 10:28
by Ricky
REEVE wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:23
It wasnt a "draw" tho never in a million years .....just means aj gets to avoid both for a bit longer while they have a re match
Never in a million years? Really? Exculding the knock down rounds - that leaves 10 rounds. If you score those 10 rounds 7-3 in favour of Fury you end up with 113-113 draw.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 10:41
by tiny_acres
RKY wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:28
REEVE wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:23
It wasnt a "draw" tho never in a million years .....just means aj gets to avoid both for a bit longer while they have a re match
Never in a million years? Really? Exculding the knock down rounds - that leaves 10 rounds. If you score those 10 rounds 7-3 in favour of Fury you end up with 113-113 draw.
Ricky I agree it's a reasonable scorecard.
Taking this fight round by round. There were several close rounds.
I do not see the controversy in the draw.
I do not agree with the 1 wide card for Wilder.
But the decision seems reasonable.
I really like both fighters. It was a fun fight and I can not wait for the rematch
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 10:46
by Ricky
tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:41
RKY wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:28
REEVE wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:23
It wasnt a "draw" tho never in a million years .....just means aj gets to avoid both for a bit longer while they have a re match
Never in a million years? Really? Exculding the knock down rounds - that leaves 10 rounds. If you score those 10 rounds 7-3 in favour of Fury you end up with 113-113 draw.
Ricky I agree it's a reasonable scorecard.
Taking this fight round by round. There were several close rounds.
I do not see the controversy in the draw.
I do not agree with the 1 wide card for Wilder.
But the decision seems reasonable.
I really like both fighters. It was a fun fight and I can not wait for the rematch
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 11:44
by sparrow_1
No.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 03:15
by punchers chance
I think the OP could be right.
This may bethe nature of close fights.
Very few rounds in this fight were unanimous across the cards.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 03:22
by jamamb
tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:41
RKY wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:28
REEVE wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:23
It wasnt a "draw" tho never in a million years .....just means aj gets to avoid both for a bit longer while they have a re match
Never in a million years? Really? Exculding the knock down rounds - that leaves 10 rounds. If you score those 10 rounds 7-3 in favour of Fury you end up with 113-113 draw.
Ricky I agree it's a reasonable scorecard.
Taking this fight round by round. There were several close rounds.
I do not see the controversy in the draw.
I do not agree with the 1 wide card for Wilder.
But the decision seems reasonable.
I really like both fighters. It was a fun fight and I can not wait for the rematch
is a rematch defo happening or are you just assuming ? dont know if remtch clause covers draw and neither guy seemed overly into a rematch, at least straight away
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 07:39
by leejonesjnr
jamamb wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:22
tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:41
RKY wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:28
Never in a million years? Really? Exculding the knock down rounds - that leaves 10 rounds. If you score those 10 rounds 7-3 in favour of Fury you end up with 113-113 draw.
Ricky I agree it's a reasonable scorecard.
Taking this fight round by round. There were several close rounds.
I do not see the controversy in the draw.
I do not agree with the 1 wide card for Wilder.
But the decision seems reasonable.
I really like both fighters. It was a fun fight and I can not wait for the rematch
is a rematch defo happening or are you just assuming ? dont know if remtch clause covers draw and neither guy seemed overly into a rematch, at least straight away
When people talk about a rematch clause they mean a contractual agreement in which a boxer making a defence of his title(s) gets the option to have an immediate rematch and a chance to regain the championship if he is beaten. The challenger doesn’t get a rematch clause option and it doesn’t cover a draw as the champion remains champion.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:35
by Coco
Doing a round by round score, which of course is what you do, I feel Fury won clearly enough, like by 4 rounds.
With the knockdowns, in my heart I don't feel it so much, because Wilder beat him up more. However that is not how you score a boxing match, that's how you score a street fight!
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:36
by Coco
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 07:39
jamamb wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:22
tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 10:41
Ricky I agree it's a reasonable scorecard.
Taking this fight round by round. There were several close rounds.
I do not see the controversy in the draw.
I do not agree with the 1 wide card for Wilder.
But the decision seems reasonable.
I really like both fighters. It was a fun fight and I can not wait for the rematch
is a rematch defo happening or are you just assuming ? dont know if remtch clause covers draw and neither guy seemed overly into a rematch, at least straight away
When people talk about a rematch clause they mean a contractual agreement in which a boxer making a defence of his title(s) gets the option to have an immediate rematch and a chance to regain the championship if he is beaten. The challenger doesn’t get a rematch clause option and it doesn’t cover a draw as the champion remains champion.
In these circumstances the WBC may order a rematch, but if not the Wilder camp won't be obliged to give him one.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:37
by Ricky
Coco wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:35
Doing a round by round score, which of course is what you do, I feel Fury won clearly enough, like by 4 rounds.
With the knockdowns, in my heart I don't feel it so much, because Wilder beat him up more. However that is not how you score a boxing match, that's how you score a street fight!
I know what you mean. Wouldn't have felt right Fury taking Wilders belt when he was flattened twice by a guy 3 stone lighter, especially when his Modus Operandi is his elusive/defensive style.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:48
by Covfefe
Coco wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:35
Doing a round by round score, which of course is what you do, I feel Fury won clearly enough, like by 4 rounds.
With the knockdowns, in my heart I don't feel it so much, because Wilder beat him up more. However that is not how you score a boxing match, that's how you score a street fight!
Though I don’t think either really beat the other man up, Fury was in good condition at the end of the fight after the knock down.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:50
by Coco
Covfefe wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:48
Coco wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:35
Doing a round by round score, which of course is what you do, I feel Fury won clearly enough, like by 4 rounds.
With the knockdowns, in my heart I don't feel it so much, because Wilder beat him up more. However that is not how you score a boxing match, that's how you score a street fight!
Though I don’t think either really beat the other man up, Fury was in good condition at the end of the fight after the knock down.
I agree with you, for once!
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:52
by Covfefe
Coco wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:50
Covfefe wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:48
Coco wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:35
Doing a round by round score, which of course is what you do, I feel Fury won clearly enough, like by 4 rounds.
With the knockdowns, in my heart I don't feel it so much, because Wilder beat him up more. However that is not how you score a boxing match, that's how you score a street fight!
Though I don’t think either really beat the other man up, Fury was in good condition at the end of the fight after the knock down.
I agree with you, for once!
It was frustrating in a way as I think had Fury been more active he could have nailed those rounds and not left any room for argument, but he did so little at times.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:54
by Coco
Covfefe wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:52
Coco wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:50
Covfefe wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:48
Though I don’t think either really beat the other man up, Fury was in good condition at the end of the fight after the knock down.
I agree with you, for once!
It was frustrating in a way as I think had Fury been more active he could have nailed those rounds and not left any room for argument, but he did so little at times.
It's his style, he looks to nick rounds, but of course this is more difficult to do as a challenger away from home.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:55
by Covfefe
Coco wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:54
Covfefe wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:52
Coco wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:50
I agree with you, for once!
It was frustrating in a way as I think had Fury been more active he could have nailed those rounds and not left any room for argument, but he did so little at times.
It's his style, he looks to nick rounds, but of course this is more difficult to do as a challenger away from home.
Yep, and if he hadn’t taken that shot in the 12th and gone down he’d be champion now.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 11:34
by leejonesjnr
Coco wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:36
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 07:39
jamamb wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 03:22
is a rematch defo happening or are you just assuming ? dont know if remtch clause covers draw and neither guy seemed overly into a rematch, at least straight away
When people talk about a rematch clause they mean a contractual agreement in which a boxer making a defence of his title(s) gets the option to have an immediate rematch and a chance to regain the championship if he is beaten. The challenger doesn’t get a rematch clause option and it doesn’t cover a draw as the champion remains champion.
In these circumstances the WBC may order a rematch, but if not the Wilder camp won't be obliged to give him one.
Possible but I believe unlikely and either way is nothing to do with a rematch clause
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 12:50
by Datsue
Covfefe wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:52
It was frustrating in a way as I think had Fury been more active he could have nailed those rounds and not left any room for argument, but he did so little at times.
I was saying this to my old man after he watched it yesterday, though to be fair my old man did point out that the 9th & 12th were exactly why Fury did so little at times.
But it's the nature of the beast—if you set your stall on landing three or four more shots a round than your opponent but he obviously hits you much harder/with one or two much flashier punches, you're in for a career of squeakers on the cards.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 14:14
by cutsman
On the night I thought Tyson was robbed. But with hindsight I think the draw was a fair decision.
Wilder was always going to be a threat with his power and he proved that in a few rounds.
Tyson was always going to frustrate and he did that for quite a few rounds, also some rounds were very close.
Isn’t it the case where the challenger has to snatch the belt away from the holder decisively?
Factoring in the knockdowns I don’t think Tyson quote managed that. Draw is fair.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 14:17
by Boxerbeetle
cutsman wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 14:14
On the night I thought Tyson was robbed. But with hindsight I think the draw was a fair decision.
Wilder was always going to be a threat with his power and he proved that in a few rounds.
Tyson was always going to frustrate and he did that for quite a few rounds, also some rounds were very close.
Isn’t it the case where the challenger has to snatch the belt away from the holder decisively?
Factoring in the knockdowns I don’t think Tyson quote managed that. Draw is fair.
That’s not how boxing is scored though.
Re: Anyone else think...
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 16:34
by frankgreaves
How did you both score the fight?