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which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 19:34
by jamamb
which fighters accomplished the most before getting a world title shot?

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 19:44
by Controversial
SRR must be up there, a pro over 6 years and went 73-1-1 before his shot.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 21:58
by Onetimeonly
Hagler is a little known one. Obviously Archie Moore.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 22:49
by gilgamesh
Yeah Archie was the first name that came to mind for me too.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 12:34
by oogiebe
Carlos Monzon was 67-3-9 and hadn't lost in six years when he upended Nino Benvenuti.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 14:59
by DrDuke
In retrospective Tua's run was quite impressive before the shot at Lewis. 37-1 with KOs over Ruiz, Maskaev, Izon, Rahman and very close loss to Ibeabuchi.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 17:10
by Onetimeonly
That's not very much in heavyweight history. He got schooled by rahman. Tua is so romanticized.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 17:52
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 17:10 That's not very much in heavyweight history. He got schooled by rahman. Tua is so romanticized.
I love Tua, only because he crushed Ruiz. (Ruiz' most exciting fight! LMAO)

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 18:48
by APerno
SRR run was extended because of the War, he was ranked the #1 WW in 1941 and would have likely gotten a shot in '42 or '43 instead of December '46, but it was certainly a long over due shot.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 19:22
by Onetimeonly
I think ezzard is the top guy here.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 19:34
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:22 I think ezzard is the top guy here.
How so?

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 19:40
by gilgamesh
oogiebe wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:34
Onetimeonly wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:22 I think ezzard is the top guy here.
How so?
Ezzard beat a 100 plus fight veteran in his 3rd bout. Noted contenders Teddy Yarosz, Anton Christoforidis, Charley Burley 2x (often considered the greatest to never win a title), Joey Maxim 3x, Archie Moore 3x, Jimmy Bivins 3x, Heavyweight contender Elmer Ray.

Pretty solid list of great fighters to have beaten before ever getting a shot.

I mean you have 5 wins over guys who are considered ATG's, and then guys like Bivins and Maxim aren't far from ATG status. They were certainly very good at worst, and gave a lot of guys in their day a hard night.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 19:44
by oogiebe
gilgamesh wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:40
oogiebe wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:34
Onetimeonly wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:22 I think ezzard is the top guy here.
How so?
Ezzard beat a 100 plus fight veteran in his 3rd bout. Noted contenders Teddy Yarosz, Anton Christoforidis, Charley Burley 2x (often considered the greatest to never win a title), Joey Maxim 3x, Archie Moore 3x, Jimmy Bivins 3x, Heavyweight contender Elmer Ray.

Pretty solid list of great fighters to have beaten before ever getting a shot.

I mean you have 5 wins over guys who are considered ATG's, and then guys like Bivins and Maxim aren't far from ATG status. They were certainly very good at worst, and gave a lot of guys in their day a hard night.
In the days of the 100+ fight careers, I'm hardly impressed by Remo Fernandez. Charles is up there, but not because of that.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 19:45
by Onetimeonly
oogiebe wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:34
Onetimeonly wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:22 I think ezzard is the top guy here.
How so?
Gil covered it well. I'll just add he's considered the greatest Lt heavy ever by many and never fought for that title.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 19:50
by Bundana
Harry Greb entered his first world title fight with a 216-13-16-1 record… which included more than 25 wins against future HOFers.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 19:52
by oogiebe
Bundana wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:50 Harry Greb entered his first world title fight with a 216-13-16-1 record… which included more than 25 wins against future HOFers.
wow!!! winner

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 21:37
by tiny_acres
Bundana wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:50 Harry Greb entered his first world title fight with a 216-13-16-1 record… which included more than 25 wins against future HOFers.
Holy cow!!!!
And people think politics is something new to the sport. This guy was screwed big time waiting that long.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 04:30
by DrDuke
Onetimeonly wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 17:10 That's not very much in heavyweight history. He got schooled by rahman. Tua is so romanticized.
I'm not a fan of him, but I still liked to watch him. This "romanticizing" can be understood, cause Tua was an exciting KO artist and provided some spectacular comebacks in highly dramatic fights.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 13:14
by oogiebe
tiny_acres wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 21:37
Bundana wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 19:50 Harry Greb entered his first world title fight with a 216-13-16-1 record… which included more than 25 wins against future HOFers.
Holy cow!!!!
And people think politics is something new to the sport. This guy was screwed big time waiting that long.
...and he's the only guy to beat Gene Tunney...

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 15:08
by Onetimeonly
DrDuke wrote: 08 Dec 2018, 04:30
Onetimeonly wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 17:10 That's not very much in heavyweight history. He got schooled by rahman. Tua is so romanticized.
I'm not a fan of him, but I still liked to watch him. This "romanticizing" can be understood, cause Tua was an exciting KO artist and provided some spectacular comebacks in highly dramatic fights.
He did have spectacular comebacks against maskaev and oquendo. The bs against rock too. That's exactly why his name shouldn't be in this thread.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 26 Mar 2019, 21:56
by Nile4000
Joe Louis.

Re: which fighters accomplished the most before getting a title shot?

Posted: 26 Mar 2019, 23:14
by HomicideHenry
Ought to be a thread about the greatest who never got a shot... "Honey" Roy Palmer :lol: just kidding... Sam Langford would certainly be up there on that list.

Marcel Cerdan was 107-3-0 before his title shot with Tony Zale. Battling Levinsky, 286 bouts, had 94 fights before his first title shot (according to CBZ).