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mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 13:45
by man
i for one have no idea, but that is
some matchup.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 13:46
by gilgamesh
Mikey's good, but he ain't THAT good. Spence is gonna knock him out.
Incredibly gutsy on his part to jump up 2 weight classes, and take on one of the sports more elite talents, but it ain't gonna end well for him I don't figure. If Mikey somehow pulls it off, he'll rocket up the P4P rankings.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 13:47
by DrDuke
I favor Spence. I won't be surprised, if Garcia shows some counteraction though. However, I don't really expect Garcia to win.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 13:47
by oogiebe
Spence too good too big for Garcia. I really don't understand the matchup.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 14:26
by Fightdoctor
Floyd Mayweather Jr. once said "You don't become a welterweight overnight!" Mikey is a more versatile boxer than Spence. The problem is size/mass. Whatever Mikey hits Spence with will just be soaked up with little effect. Conversely Spence will be able to hurt Mikey whenever he lands flush. Mikey thinks that he can punch in between Spence's slower (than Mikey) combos but he has to remain in range to do so. Mikey is nota mover. He has excellent positioning and counterpunching. His defense consists of slipping or parrying punches. Spence will have a good 15 lb weight advantage over him not to mention height and reach. And Spence is a pressure fighter who cranks it up as the fight goes on. I think Spence stops Mikey in 9 rounds.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 14:39
by tiny_acres
You got to give credit to Mikey. He sent out the challenge and he honestly believes he has a chance. The guy has balls.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 15:27
by godosin
Garcia has fought as a Super Lightwieght previously, so its not too crazy for him to make Welterweight. Might be trouble though, not even Duran immediately fought Leanard when he first became Welterweight, so I think the matchup depends on how effective Garcia's weight gain is; more muscle less fat.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 15:50
by ironbeard
If Mikey pulls this off he becomes P4P #1 for me. He is not pulling it off though.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 15:52
by brilo33
iam a huge mikey fan but i cant see him beating Spence
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 16:37
by TheGingerBomber
Garcia is class like, if he beats Spence he’s no.1 p4p I agree, but I’d be amazed if he did. Spence is a good fighter and too big.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 16:52
by Best Coast
Two of my favorite fighters but I anticipate a mismatch. Spence is just too big, too strong and too quick for Mikey. Garcia should be fighting Lomachenko, who he has a much better chance of defeating.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 16:56
by ironbeard
Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 16:52
Two of my favorite fighters but I anticipate a mismatch. Spence is just too big, too strong and too quick for Mikey. Garcia should be fighting Lomachenko, who he has a much better chance of defeating.
Absolutely! Loma v Mikey and Crawford v Spence are the fights we ALL want to see.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 16:56
by oogiebe
ironbeard wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 16:56
Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 16:52
Two of my favorite fighters but I anticipate a mismatch. Spence is just too big, too strong and too quick for Mikey. Garcia should be fighting Lomachenko, who he has a much better chance of defeating.
Absolutely! Loma v Mikey and Crawford v Spence are the fights we ALL want to see.
Amen brother! That would be awesome for certain.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 18:31
by SenorPipino
tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 14:39
You got to give credit to Mikey. He sent out the challenge and he honestly believes he has a chance. The guy has balls.
So true.
It has silenced (at least temporarily) the usual outcry that Garcia is a cherry-picker.
If he is, Mikey picked the toughest cherry out there.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 19:05
by jamamb
maybe i havent been following garcia threads closely enough but it seemed like maybe just one guy yelling cherrypicker...the same weirdo who says usyks proved nothing and loma still needs to pay his dues like oscar valdez has.
mikey seems generally very well respected. though i do sometimes wonder why hes not rated higher p4p then i usually see him. seems like hes usually not in the discussion for the top 5 guy but i think you could easily have him top 3.
that said, imo he already maxed out his ideal weight multiple divisions ago. hell get pounded here.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 20:40
by SenorPipino
jamamb wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 19:05
maybe i havent been following garcia threads closely enough but it seemed like maybe just one guy yelling cherrypicker...the same weirdo who says usyks proved nothing and loma still needs to pay his dues like oscar valdez has.
mikey seems generally very well respected. though i do sometimes wonder why hes not rated higher p4p then i usually see him. seems like hes usually not in the discussion for the top 5 guy but i think you could easily have him top 3.
that said, imo he already maxed out his ideal weight multiple divisions ago. hell get pounded here.
If you read enough boxing social media, "cherry picker" is easily the term most frequently associated with Mikey Garcia.
He's probably his own worst enemy because Garcia has often discussed fighting big names but then the bouts never materialize.
Maybe that's one reason Garcia is often overlooked when it comes to absolute top P4P status.
But Garcia has had his share of solid opponents, and the CP label is rather unfair and ignores his obvious talents.
I still think that Garcia will be surprisingly competitive with Spence and a distance fight is not out of the question.
Even in a propable defeat, Garcia figures to gain enormous respect if he gives Spence a gutsy battle.
Even among those who brand him cherry picker Garcia.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 00:27
by Mexi-Box
Huge Mikey fan, and I'll be rooting for him. I just think this is such an enormous step up for him. He can do it, but he'll need to fight the perfect fight. He can't afford to have any mistakes. Mikey is a p4p fighter, and if they were the same size, I wouldn't doubt Mikey would win. The size difference is just enormous here!
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 08:17
by SFW
Where are these 4 dreamers who think Mikey will win and their reasoning, that would be nice to hear.
Mikey thinks he can come forward and press, he is deceptively strong. That strength, that confidence in himself always being the stronger man, could be a liability when Errol shows him his strength is nothing. How different would it be for Mikey when he isn't in control at all, and getting consistently shook up, because that is what is going to happen. I bet Spence breaks that nose again, Salido did it illegally but that's a possible issue when Spence starts really unloading. Mikey obviously got balls, it was still a bad decision taking this fight. He has zero margin for error, and even a near flawless performance can be ended with one shot. I'd say Spence's power is going to surprise him, and surprising Mikey in a boxing ring is very hard. They are underestimating the power, can kinda tell the way him and Robert are talking. I think it's more likely a ref/corner stoppage between 8-10 rounds, but Spence has to be sharp anything less and he could lose. If Spence comes out flat he will get dog walked and out pointed, everything for Spence rides on his conditioning his focus and accuracy. We know he has a chin, strong, can punch, can adjust, but it will take all cylinders firing to get the impressive victory most expect.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 11:33
by ironbeard
Especially given last night’s performance, stacked in top of the Linares fight, I cannot understand why Mikey has chosen Spence over Loma, unless it was just impossible to make.
The Garcias must see something exploitable in Spence, or at least have convinced themselves they see it.
Spence ignores incoming at times. Maybe they think that Mikey can control him with the jab, and catch him repeatedly wading in.
Grasping here.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 11:35
by Onetimeonly
He quit fighting for over 2 years because of arum. That would have to be a huge check to get those two to work together.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 11:51
by ironbeard
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 11:35
He quit fighting for over 2 years because of arum. That would have to be a huge check to get those two to work together.
Yeah, I do remember that. Arum in control of Crawford and Loma sucks. That old sack of sh!t just keeps denying the boxing public what it deserves - Loma v Mikey and Crawford v Spence.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 13:23
by man
tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 14:39
You got to give credit to Mikey. He sent out the challenge and he honestly believes he has a chance. The guy has balls.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 14:51
by Mexi-Box
SFW wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 08:17
Where are these 4 dreamers who think Mikey will win and their reasoning, that would be nice to hear.
Mikey thinks he can come forward and press, he is deceptively strong. That strength, that confidence in himself always being the stronger man, could be a liability when Errol shows him his strength is nothing. How different would it be for Mikey when he isn't in control at all, and getting consistently shook up, because that is what is going to happen. I bet Spence breaks that nose again, Salido did it illegally but that's a possible issue when Spence starts really unloading. Mikey obviously got balls, it was still a bad decision taking this fight. He has zero margin for error, and even a near flawless performance can be ended with one shot. I'd say Spence's power is going to surprise him, and surprising Mikey in a boxing ring is very hard. They are underestimating the power, can kinda tell the way him and Robert are talking. I think it's more likely a ref/corner stoppage between 8-10 rounds, but Spence has to be sharp anything less and he could lose. If Spence comes out flat he will get dog walked and out pointed, everything for Spence rides on his conditioning his focus and accuracy. We know he has a chin, strong, can punch, can adjust, but it will take all cylinders firing to get the impressive victory most expect.
Mikey can be flawless when he's on the back-foot countering. He's a natural counterpuncher. Style-wise, Spence is an easier fight than Crawford. He'll give Mikey more openings to counter than Crawford who is more defensive-savy. Easter Jr., Burgos, and Broner really had Mikey fight outside his natural element as he had to be the one putting the pressure. Spence will be pressuring the smaller Mikey in their fight.
It's hard to tell. Mikey spars with big guys regularly, and he was the one preparing Maidana for Mayweather. Mikey definitely has zero room for error, though. Mikey has power. It's still effective at 140 too. Guys are shelling up instead of trading with him.
Spence will probably be the first fighter to try to trade with Mikey in a long time. Last one to try to pressure and trade with Mikey consistently was probably Salido and Zlaticanin. His last three fights had fighters just content to survive. It's interesting, and Mikey can beat Spence Jr. It's just that his margin for error is extremely slim.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 14:55
by Stuarty
oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 13:47
Spence too good too big for Garcia. I really don't understand the matchup.
I know what you mean but at least there's someone out there willing to have a go! Fair play to Garcia. I think he'll cause Spence a few problems until size takes its toll.
Re: mikey garcia vs errol spence, who you got?
Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 14:59
by oogiebe
Stuarty wrote: ↑09 Dec 2018, 14:55
oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 13:47
Spence too good too big for Garcia. I really don't understand the matchup.
I know what you mean but at least there's someone out there willing to have a go! Fair play to Garcia. I think he'll cause Spence a few problems until size takes its toll.
It certainly will be a curiosity for me, as Mikey is real smart and in the back of my head I believe he must think he found something, but damn...the size difference is a lot.