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The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 18:01
by gilgamesh
Taken from the 100 Greatest Punchers of All Time Special Edition issue of Ring Magazine. Circa 2003
1. Joe Louis
The Guy He Couldn't KO: Just about every guy who went the distance with the mature, Prime Louis,-Bob Pastor, Arturo Godoy, Walcott-Joe stopped in a subsequent rematch. The exception was stubborn Welshman Tommy Farr, who gave Louis fits in his inaugural title defense in 1937, and not coincidentally never got another shot at him.
2. Sam Langford
The Guy He Couldn't KO: Langford outweighed Jack Blackburn-who later would gain greater fame as Joe Louis' trainer-but never could stop him. They fought six times between 1903 and 1905, and the best Langford could manage was a 15 round decision win. They drew twice, Blackburn won one decision, and they fought to one no decision and one no contest.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 18:08
by oogiebe
gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2018, 18:01
Taken from the 100 Greatest Punchers of All Time Special Edition issue of Ring Magazine. Circa 2003
1. Joe Louis
The Guy He Couldn't KO: Just about every guy who went the distance with the mature, Prime Louis,-Bob Pastor, Arturo Godoy, Walcott-Joe stopped in a subsequent rematch. The exception was stubborn Welshman
Tommy Farr, who gave Louis fits in his inaugural title defense in 1937, and not coincidentally never got another shot at him.
2. Sam Langford
The Guy He Couldn't KO: Langford outweighed
Jack Blackburn-who later would gain greater fame as Joe Louis' trainer-but never could stop him. They fought six times between 1903 and 1905, and the best Langford could manage was a 15 round decision win. They drew twice, Blackburn won one decision, and they fought to one no decision and one no contest.
Gene Tunney
The guy he couldn't KO was Harry Greb. They fought five times and Tunney lost one; drew one and won three. Not that the fighting marine was a ko artist, (ko rate 71%), but he was one of the greatest of all time. Does this follow the guidelines? Maybe?

Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 18:11
by gilgamesh
3. Jimmy Wilde
The Guy he couldn't KO: Wilde faced off with tough Young Jennings twice, and couldn't stop him. They fought in 1911, and again in 1912 with Wilde winning both by decision.
4. Archie Moore
The Guy he couldn't KO: Joey Maxim was stopped just once in 115 fights, and it wasn't by Moore, even though they fought a total of 45 rounds. Moore decisioned Maxim for the Light Heavyweight Title in 1952, and successfully defended against him twice. All 3 bouts went the full 15 rounds.
5. Sandy Saddler
The Guy he couldn't KO: Tough Cuban Orlando Zulueta wasn't stopped in 124 fights, and that includes two tussles with Saddler. In 1947 in Havana, and for the vacant Jr. Lightweight title in 1949 in Ohio. Saddler won both bouts by decision.
6. Stanley Ketchel
The Guy he couldn't KO: If every fighter has an arch nemesis, Maurice Thompson was Ketchel's. They fought 3 times in 1904, each time in Butte, Montana. Thompson outpointed Ketchel twice, and fought him to a draw once, and when you consider that Ketchel lost only 4 times in his career. That's significant.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 19:34
by gilgamesh
7. Jack Dempsey
The Guy He Couldn't KO: Tiger that he was, Dempsey couldn't do a thing with pudgy, quick footed Willie Meehan, who met Dempsey five times between 1917 and 1918, Dempsey could manage just one win (by 4 round decision) dropping two decisions, and settling for a pair of draws.
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
The Guy He couldn't KO: Later in his career, Fitzsimmons twice met Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, and twice he came up short while looking for the knockout. In July 1904 they fought to a 6 round no decision in Philadelphia. A year later, O'Brien stopped Fitzsimmons in 13 rounds in San Francisco to win the World Light Heavyweight Title
9. George Foreman
The Guy he couldn't KO: Foreman was campaigning for a rematch with Ali in March 1977 when he took on slippery Jimmy Young in San Juan, Puerto Rico. Young's defense and pesky counterpunching frustrated Foreman throughout, save for a 30 second stretch in the 7th round when Young was all, but out on his feet. But he got through it, peppered Foreman down the stretch and sent him into a 10 year retirement with a Unanimous Decision.
10. Earnie Shavers
The Guy he couldn't KO: Shavers may have been past his prime in 1980 when he went against human anvil Randall "Texx" Cobb, but he was still one of the hardest punchers in the world, and any degradation in ability due to his age was offset by Cobb's wholesale lack of skills, especially on defense. Shavers bombed away at Cobb early, landing right hand after right hand, but Cobb soaked them all up, waited for Shavers to tire, and stopped him in 8 wild, sloppy and wonderfully entertaining rounds.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 19:46
by gilgamesh
11. Sugar Ray Robinson
The Guy He Couldn't KO: A Prime, Welterweight Robinson faced Lightweight World Champion Sammy Angott 3 times in 1941, 1942 and 1946, and Angott took him the full 10 rounds each time. That's no commentary on Robinson's hitting power, Angott was stopped just once in 132 fights, by Beau Jack
12. Ruben Olivares
The Guy he couldn't KO: Chucho Castillo was a bothersome thorn in Olivares' side. He countered and boxed well enough to last the full route, and drop a Unanimous Decision to Olivares in their first fight, and in their 2nd six months later, he stopped Olivares on cuts and dethroned him. Olivares rebounded to decision Castillo again in April 1971 to regain the crown. But in 44 rounds, Castillo never once touched the canvas.
13. Wilfredo Gomez
The Guy he couldn't KO: Gomez challenged fellow Puerto Rican hero Juan Laporte for the WBC Featherweight title in March 1984. Although Gomez had things his way through most of the fight and won a fairly lopsided Unanimous Decision, the iron chinned Laporte took everything he had to offer, much of it while pinned against the ropes.
14. Rocky Marciano
The Guy he couldn't KO: Marciano faced journeyman Ted Lowry in 1949, and again a year later, and both times had to settle for a 10 round decision. It was nothing to be ashamed of. Lowry, who ended his career with a 64-66-9 (41) record, also went the distance in losing efforts against Joey Maxim, Roland LaStarza, Jimmy Bivins and Archie Moore.
15. Sonny Liston
The Guy he couldn't KO: Twice in 1958 useful journeyman Bert Whitehurst extended Liston 10 full rounds on the way to losing a decision. Liston wasn't alone. Light Heavyweight greats Harold Johnson, and Bob Foster also fought Whitehurst, and failed to stop him.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 19:57
by gilgamesh
16. Mike Tyson
The Guy he couldn't KO: James "Quick" Tillis was well beyond his best years when he met Tyson in New York in May 1986. Using skills that were still reasonably slick, an experienced jab, and a sound chin, he did enough to frustrate and extend Tyson for the first time in Tyson's career. Though he lost a Unanimous Decision.
17. Bob Foster
The Guy he couldn't KO: Foster was past his prime when he twice defended against South African Pierre Fourie in 1973, but it remains that in 30 rounds, he never really hurt the challenger. He controlled both clinch-filled bouts with his long and still effective jab but could never land the clean powerpunches that were his trademark.
18. Thomas Hearns
The Guy he couldn't KO: Hearns was close to stopping Iran Barkley in their 1988 Middleweight title fight when Barkley's desperation right hand turned Hearns to jelly in the 3rd round. In the rematch 4 years later for the WBA Light Heavyweight Title, Hearns couldn't keep Barkley off of him, and was pounded silly en route to a 12 round decision loss.
19. Khaosai Galaxy
The Guy he couldn't KO: In January 1988, right in the middle of Galaxy's reign, Kongthorn Payakurun took a prime Galaxy the full 12 rounds in Bangkok, Thailand. Becoming the first of only 3 challengers to do so.
20. Alexis Arguello
The Guy he couldn't KO: Pesky, fleet footed Vilomar Fernandez twice gave Arugello fits. He decisioned "The Explosive Thin Man" over 10 rounds in 1978 in a non-title bout at Madison Square Garden when Arguello was the WBC 130 pound king. Arguello gained a measure of revenge 5 years later in Texas, but even then he had to settle for a 10 round decision.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 19:59
by BitPlayer
Thanks for posting, it seems odd to say FItz couldn't KO Jack O'Brien considering their first bout (the NC) was stopped short with Fitz having floored Jack.
Plus Fitz was absolutely ancient.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 20:07
by gilgamesh
I think you guys get it that it's "The Guy he couldn't KO" by now so I'm gonna drop that from each heading, and just go into it after I say the name.
21. Carlos Zarate
Zarate floored challenger, and stablemate Lupe Pintor in the 4th round of their title fight in Nevada in June 1979, but couldn't keep him down. He paid for it. In one of hte most controversial decisions of the decade, Pintor took the title by Split Decision. Zarate was so disgusted he quit on the spot, and didn't fight again for 7 years.
22. Max Baer
Kingfish Levinsky, who lost to most of the best Heavyweights and Light Heavyweights of the 1930's, but beat everyone else, twice took Baer the full route. In January 1932 over 10 rounds in New York, and again 6 months later, when Baer won a 20 round decision in Nevada.
23. Rocky Graziano
Graziano knocked out a lot of guys the first time he touched them with the right, but in 3 tries he couldn't stop Charley McPherson. All 3 meetings were in 1943 in Brooklyn, In Elizabeth, New Jersey and in New York City. The Best Graziano could do was a draw, and two 6 round decision wins.
24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
Awkward Southpaw, and future Cruiserweight titlist Marvin Camel split a pair of bouts with Saad Muhammad in 1976. In the first, Camel lost a split decision in Stockton, California. Camel took the rematch, which was held in his hometown of Missoula, Montana, by 10 round majority decision.
25. Julian Jackson
In defense of the WBC Middleweight Title in August 1992. Jackson struggled to land consistently against the tricky Thomas Tate. He hurt Tate several times, and had him going more than once, but never could find the sweet spot and had to settle for a fairly lopsided Unanimous Decision.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 20:16
by gilgamesh
26. Danny Lopez
Lopez was 21-0 with 21 KO's when he was taken the distance by journeyman Genzo Kurosawa in January 1974. Kurosawa, who fought many of the bigger name West Coast Featherweights of the era, was stopped in 9 rounds in his next fight by young power punching sensation Bobby Chacon.
27. Gerald McClellan
Tough as a rock Journeyman Sanderline Williams took McClellan the full 8 round distance in Auburn Hills, Michigan in August 1990. McClellan was in good company: Williams also went the distance against James Toney, Nigel Benn, Frank Tate, Reggie Johnson, Merqui Sosa, Iran Barkley and Herol Graham.
28. Roberto Duran
Puerto Rico's Edwin Viruet was the only challenger to last the distance with Duran during the Panamanian's reign as Lightweight Champion. He did it in September 1977 in Philadelphia in Duran's 11th title defense. He also lost a 10 round decision to Duran in a non title fight in New York in 1975.
29. Rodrigo Valdes
If not for Carlos Monzon, Valdes might have dominated the 160 pound division. They first met in June 1976 in Monte Carlo in the richest fight in Middleweight history. Monzon handled Valdes' best right hands, countered well throughout, and took a Unanimous Decision to unify the title. A little over a year later, he turned the trick again in Monte Carlo, and then retired.
30. Felix Trinidad
Fighting well past his prime, multi division former titleholder Pernell Whitaker had enough left to take a few of the early rounds against a prime Trinidad. He was outgunned, and overpowered through the middle rounds, and was forced to use every trick he knew to last the 12 round distance. If it had been a 15 rounder, he probably wouldn't have made it.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 20:25
by gilgamesh
31. Pipino Cuevas
Dead in the middle of his fearsome title reign. Cuevas couldn't take out tough California counterpuncher Randy Shields. He landed his best left hooks, though not as many as he would have liked, and Shields stood in there, and took them, punched back with some success, and became the only guy to challenge Cuevas and last the distance.
32. Jim Jeffries
Jeffries dwarfed legendary tough guy Joe Choynski, but when they met in California in 1897, Jeffries could manage no more than a 20 round draw. Four years later, Choynski knocked out Jack Johnson in 3 rounds, and consequently Jeffries hired him as a sparring partner before Jeffries' title fight with Johnson in 1910.
33. Lennox Lewis
Lewis never came close to stopping the anvil chinned Evander Holyfield in either of their two fights. Lewis settled for a ridiculous draw in the 1st one, in New York in March 1999, and then for a close Unanimous Decision in the rematch in Las Vegas eight months later.
34. Bennie Briscoe
Briscoe had 3 chances against fellow power puncher Rodrigo Valdes, and simply couldn't get past him. Between 1973 and 1977, Valdes decision him twice, and in Briscoe's only career stoppage loss knocked him out in 7 rounds in Monte Carlo. 2 of the 3 fights were for the WBC Middleweight Title.
35. Marvin Hagler
Few would have given any former Lightweight a chance to take Hagler the full 15, but the great Roberto Duran did just that in their showdown in November 1983 in Las Vegas. It was better even than that, countering with quick right hands, and frustrating Hagler inside, Duran led on the cards after 13 rounds. Hagler, a 4-1 favorite, had to rally hard over the last 2 to take the decision.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 20:26
by ewenhay
You're on a roll gil.
Good thread, some interesting stuff there.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 20:49
by gilgamesh
36. Edwin Rosario
Rosario's rivalry with tough as a rock Jose Luis Ramirez was bizarre. In the first match held in Puerto Rico in May 1983, Rosario started fast, faded late, and barely on hung on to capture a controversial decision to claim the WBC Title. In the rematch in November 1984, Rosario floored Ramirez in the 1st and 2nd rounds, but was stopped by a barrage in the 4th.
37. Tommy Ryan
"Mysterious" Billy Smith was known to be one of the direst and toughest fighters of the era. He and Ryan fought five times over the course of 3 years. Ryan won a 20 round decision in Minnesota in July 1894, and also won by 9th round DQ in November '96 in New York. There were two 6 round draws, and an 18 round draw in 1895 in New York that was stopped by the local police, presumably because it was criminally brutal even by late 19th century standards.
38. John Mugabi
Mugabi hit Marvelous Marvin Hagler with everything he had in their slugfest in Las Vegas in March 1986. Hagler with his head of granite, gritted his teeth, soaked up all that thunder, and wore Mugabi down. Eventually stopping him in the 11th round.
39. Joe Frazier
Squat, burly Argentine strongman Oscar Bonavena had just the kind of awkward, mauling style and iron chin to give Frazier fits. They met twice, in September 1966 and again in December 1968, and Frazier could muster only ugly 10 round and 15 round decision wins, respectively.
40. Carlos Monzon
Monzon did 25 hard rounds with the iron chinned, bald headed (before it was popular) Philadelphian "Baaaad" Bennie Briscoe, and couldn't stop him. In fact, the first fight was called a draw....IN Argentina.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 21:11
by gilgamesh
41. Tony Zale
Zale fought the excellent Nate Bolden more than than he did Graziano, and never was able to stop him. They fought twice in 1937, once in '38, and again in '39, and the best Zale could manage was a pair of decision wins.
42. Michael Spinks
Spinks tried like hell, but he never could get a good handle on the slick Eddie Davis during their February 1984 tussle for Spinks' title. He dominated the 32 year old, but Davis rallied in the 2nd half of the fight, even stunning Spinks late. Spinks had to settle for a mildly controversial decision.
43. Joe Gans
Like many of the great black fighters of the era. Gans met future Hall of Fame trainer Jack Blackburn several times, but couldn't stop him. They fought to no-decisions in Philadelphia in 1903 and 1906, and Gans outpointed him over 15 rounds in Baltimore, Maryland in 1904.
44. Elmer "Violent" Ray
Ray was able to decision Jersey Joe Walcott in November 1946 in New York, but that was it. Walcott had stopped him in 3 in New York in September 1937, and 10 years later he decision Ray over 10 rounds in Florida.
45. George Godfrey
Godfrey and Ed "Bearcat" Wright met three times, twice for Godfrey's "colored" Heavyweight title. They fought to a 10 round no contest in November 1926, a draw in December 1930, and a 6 round No Contest in February 1933. Wright was one of the very good underrated heavyweights of the period.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 21:20
by gilgamesh
46. Naseem Hamed
Hamed Just couldn't get tough Mexican Cesar Soto in his sights for very long when they met for the WBC Featherweight title in October 1999 in Detroit. He tried, but Soto was too awkward, and reluctant to engage. They clinched frequently, and constantly were entangled. As a result, the closest Hamed came to scoring a knockdown was when he picked Soto up off the canvas and bodyslammed him. He settled for a lopsided decision win.
47. Alfonso Zamora
In November 1977, Zamora jumped all over slippery challenger Jorge Lujan, and hurt him several times early. But Lujan survived the onslaught, tired Zamora out, and stopped him in the 10th round to take the title.
48. David Tua
Journeyman Jeff Wooden wasn't supposed to give Tua any problems in their March 1998 meeting in Maryland, but Wooden stood in there all night, landed his share, and withstood some horrific left hooks on the way to losing a hard fought Majority Decision.
49. Cleveland Williams
No matter what he did, Williams couldn't get it done against Sonny Liston, and it wasn't close. Liston was mechanically superior, he hitter harder, and he took a better shot than Williams did. He stopped "Big Cat" in the 3rd round in April 1959 in Florida, mostly with bodyshots, and again in March 1960 in 2 rounds in Williams' home state of Texas.
50. Julio Cesar Chavez
Chavez had little trouble finding Frankie Randall's chin in their first match in January 1994, for the WBC 140 pound title. But Randall shook off Chavez's best right hands, and became the first man to floor him, and the first to officially beat him. Randall was robbed in their 2nd fight four months later, which Chavez won by technical decision after a headbutt.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 21:38
by gilgamesh
51. Tiger Jack Fox
"Slapsie" Maxie Rosenbloom was stopped just twice in a 299 bout career, and it wasn't by Fox. Even though they met 3 times. Rosenbloom took a decision in October 1932, they drew in September 1935, and Fox got revenge with a 10 round nod a month later.
52. Joe Walcott (The Barbados Demon - not Jersey Joe)
Walcott had his hands full with Young Peter Jackson. They fought five times between November 1901, and June 1904, with Walcott winning only the first, by 20 round decision. The balance: 2 draw, a 6 round no decision, and in their final meeting, a 4 round KO loss for Walcott.
53. Gerry Cooney
In January 1979, a young Cooney took on brawler Eddie "The Animal" Lopez in Florida. Cooney's hook couldn't miss, but Lopez lived up to his nickname, and lasted all 8 rounds.
54. Al "Bummy" Davis
After his shocking win over Bob Montgomery, Davis stepped up again, and took on the great Beau Jack in 1944 in New York. Jack decision him over 10 rounds.
55. Max Schemling
Paolino Uzcudun couldn't beat Schmeling, but he went the distance with him all 3 times, and in May 1934 held him to a draw.
56. Florentino Fernandez
Fernandez had his moments against future 2 division Champion and Hall of Famer Emile Griffith in their fight in New York in August 1960, but Griffith had a legendary chin, and he handled Fernandez's power, and took a 10 round decision.
57. Henry Armstrong
Armstrong went 52 hard rounds over 5 fights with the historically underrated Baby Arizmendi, and couldn't put him away. In fact, he lost their first 2 meetings.
58. Bob Satterfield
Satterfield fought the wonderful Harold Johnson three times, and though he decisioned him in their first meeting (somewhat shockingly), he was knocked cold in the 2nd, and outpointed in the 3rd.
59. Al Hostak
Hostak couldn't find the sweet spot against Future Heavyweight contender Harry "Kid" Matthews, Matthews outpointed him in September 1942 in Seattle and fought him to a draw two months later.
60. Jesus Pimentel
Future Bantamweight Champion Jesus "Chucho" Castillo befuddled and outboxed Pimentel in Los Angeles in June 1968, and outpointed him over 12 rounds.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 22:02
by scartissue
gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2018, 21:38
51. Tiger Jack Fox
"Slapsie"
Maxie Rosenbloom was stopped just twice in a 299 bout career, and it wasn't by Fox. Even though they met 3 times. Rosenbloom took a decision in October 1932, they drew in September 1935, and Fox got revenge with a 10 round nod a month later.
52. Joe Walcott (The Barbados Demon - not Jersey Joe)
Walcott had his hands full with
Young Peter Jackson. They fought five times between November 1901, and June 1904, with Walcott winning only the first, by 20 round decision. The balance: 2 draw, a 6 round no decision, and in their final meeting, a 4 round KO loss for Walcott.
53. Gerry Cooney
In January 1979, a young Cooney took on brawler
Eddie "The Animal" Lopez in Florida. Cooney's hook couldn't miss, but Lopez lived up to his nickname, and lasted all 8 rounds.
54. Al "Bummy" Davis
After his shocking win over Bob Montgomery, Davis stepped up again, and took on the great
Beau Jack in 1944 in New York. Jack decision him over 10 rounds.
55. Max Schemling
Paolino Uzcudun couldn't beat Schmeling, but he went the distance with him all 3 times, and in May 1934 held him to a draw.
56. Florentino Fernandez
Fernandez had his moments against future 2 division Champion and Hall of Famer
Emile Griffith in their fight in New York in August 1960, but Griffith had a legendary chin, and he handled Fernandez's power, and took a 10 round decision.
57. Henry Armstrong
Armstrong went 52 hard rounds over 5 fights with the historically underrated
Baby Arizmendi, and couldn't put him away. In fact, he lost their first 2 meetings.
58. Bob Satterfield
Satterfield fought the wonderful
Harold Johnson three times, and though he decisioned him in their first meeting (somewhat shockingly), he was knocked cold in the 2nd, and outpointed in the 3rd.
59. Al Hostak
Hostak couldn't find the sweet spot against Future Heavyweight contender
Harry "Kid" Matthews, Matthews outpointed him in September 1942 in Seattle and fought him to a draw two months later.
60. Jesus Pimentel
Future Bantamweight Champion
Jesus "Chucho" Castillo befuddled and outboxed Pimentel in Los Angeles in June 1968, and outpointed him over 12 rounds.
Emile Griffith was a poor choice by the Ring for Florentino Fernandez. They fought once. Why say the man he couldn't KO? Either Gaspar Ortega, whom he beat twice by decision or Jose Gonzalez, who beat him twice, would have been better choices.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 22:07
by gilgamesh
Yeah they made questionable choices a few times.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 22:11
by Onetimeonly
gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2018, 21:11
41. Tony Zale
Zale fought the excellent
Nate Bolden more than than he did Graziano, and never was able to stop him. They fought twice in 1937, once in '38, and again in '39, and the best Zale could manage was a pair of decision wins.
42. Michael Spinks
Spinks tried like hell, but he never could get a good handle on the slick
Eddie Davis during their February 1984 tussle for Spinks' title. He dominated the 32 year old, but Davis rallied in the 2nd half of the fight, even stunning Spinks late. Spinks had to settle for a mildly controversial decision.
43. Joe Gans
Like many of the great black fighters of the era. Gans met future Hall of Fame trainer
Jack Blackburn several times, but couldn't stop him. They fought to no-decisions in Philadelphia in 1903 and 1906, and Gans outpointed him over 15 rounds in Baltimore, Maryland in 1904.
44. Elmer "Violent" Ray
Ray was able to decision
Jersey Joe Walcott in November 1946 in New York, but that was it. Walcott had stopped him in 3 in New York in September 1937, and 10 years later he decision Ray over 10 rounds in Florida.
45. George Godfrey
Godfrey and
Ed "Bearcat" Wright met three times, twice for Godfrey's "colored" Heavyweight title. They fought to a 10 round no contest in November 1926, a draw in December 1930, and a 6 round No Contest in February 1933. Wright was one of the very good underrated heavyweights of the period.
Davis wasn't particularly slick, but he won that fight.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 22:17
by gilgamesh
61. Eugene "Cyclone" Hart
Even Hart's killer hook couldn't break the nut that was Bennie Briscoe's hard head on the two occasions they met. They drew in November 1975 in Philadelphia, and Briscoe stopped him in the 1st in April '76, also in Philadelphia.
62. Lew Jenkins
Jenkins twice met the great Fritzie Zivic, and could earn only a draw, and a KO loss. He wasn't alone, Zivic suffered just two stoppage losses in his 233 bout career.
63. Harry Wills
In 3 fights and 29 rounds, Willis couldn't stop rival Joe Jeanette. All 3 no decision bouts went the distance.
64. Tom Sharkey
Jim Jeffries called Sharkey the toughest man he ever fought, and he would know. They went a total of 45 rounds with Jeffries winning both decisions by a close margin.
65. Terry McGovern
Eddie Goodbody twice went the distance with "Terrible Terry". McGovern took a 10 round decision in August 1897 in Brooklyn, and they drew two months later also in Brooklyn.
66. Jersey Joe Walcott
Like other great Heavyweights and Light Heavyweights of the era, Walcott could whip Joey Maxim. He did it in 2 of 3 meetings, but he couldn't stop him.
67. Kostya Tszyu
Tszyu landed just about everything he threw, but could not put away steel chinned former Lightweight titlist Livingstone Bramble, who took him the distance in their match in Newcastle, Australia in August 1993.
68. Leotis Martin
Martin had to settle for a decision over journeyman Roberto Davila, but so did George Foreman, Cleveland Williams, Ernie Terrell, Amos Lincoln and Oscar Bonavena, among others.
69. Buddy Baer
Lee Savold, who fought all of the best Heavyweights of the era, and beat a few of them, extended Baer the 8 round distance in their match in Iowa in October 1939.
70. Donovan "Razor" Ruddock
Ruddock got two chances against a prime Mike Tyson, and though he had his moments, he lost them both. The 1st by KO, the 2nd by decision. Both in 1991 in Las Vegas.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 22:18
by gilgamesh
And on that last note I'm reminded that "Cyclone" Hart's son is fighting tonight, and I gotta try to catch that.
To be continued...
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 22:51
by jamamb
julan jackson seems too low on that least
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 14 Dec 2018, 22:52
by oogiebe
gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2018, 22:18
And on that last note I'm reminded that "Cyclone" Hart's son is fighting tonight, and I gotta try to catch that.
To be continued...
Didn't know it was Eugene's kid...I'm out of touch!
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 16:09
by gilgamesh
71. Jose Luis Ramirez
Despite being awarded the bogus decision in their first fight, Ramirez barely touched Pernell Whitaker over the course of 24 rounds when they met in 1988 and 1989.
72. Tommy Gomez
Gomez twice fought journeyman Natie Brown (who twice lost to Joe Louis), and could not stop him. They drew in December 1948, and Gomez decisioned him over 10 rounds in February 1949.
73. Jose Napoles
Fellow Hall of Famer Emile Griffith, past his best days, took Napoles the full route in a losing effort in October 1969 in California.
74. Charles "Kid" McCoy
In what is generally recognized as the first fight for the World Light Heavyweight title, Jack Root decisioned McCoy over 10 rounds in Detroit in April 1903
75. Antonio Esparragoza
Tough Marcos Villasana fought Esparragoza to a standstill in their June 1988 title fight in California. The draw verdict would have been a decision for Villasana had he not had a point deducted for low blows.
76. Ricardo Moreno
Raul Rojas stopped Moreno in 2 straights fights in California in March and June 1966.
77. Evander Holyfield
While Holyfield became the first ever to floor Ray Mercer, he couldn't stop him in their May 1995 meeting and settled for a decision win.
78. Ike Williams
Legendary Welterweight Champion Kid Gavilan wasn't stopped in 143 fights, and that includes 3 with Williams. Williams outpointed Gavilan in their first meeting in 1948, and dropped the next two, both in 1949.
79. Luis Firpo
Billy Miske, Fred Fulton, and the great Harry Greb stopped journeyman Homer Smith, but Smith lasted the full 10 rounds with Firpo in their fight in August 1923 in Nebraska
80. Ricardo Lopez
Herminio Ramirez lasted the 10 round distance with "Finito" twice in 1986, the only two fights among Lopez' first 11 that didn't end early.
Bonus fact: Ricardo Moreno's record is 60-12-1 (59 KO's)...his lone non KO win was a Disqualification victory. He never once won by decision.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 16:20
by gilgamesh
81. Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez
In three tries, Gonzalez couldn't stop Michael Carbajal, "Little Hands of Stone" stopped him in seven rounds in a wild, seesaw slugfest in 1993's Fight of the Year. In the 2nd and 3rd matches, Gonzalez boxed cautiously and took 2 close decisions.
82. Bobby Chacon
Chacon's gritty series with Bazooka Limon featured in order, a 10 round win for Lamon, a technical draw, another win for Limon, and a thrilling decision win for Chacon in 1982's Fight of the Year (a personal note: This is one of the very best fights I've ever seen)
83. Jock McAvoy
McAvoy couldn't get the job done against Len Harvey, who twice decisioned him over 15 rounds for the British Light Heavyweight title.
84. Eduardo Lausse
Kid Gavilan wasn't stopped in 143 fights, and that includes the two he split with Lausse. Gavilan beat him on points over 10 rounds in Buenos Aires in September 1952, and Lausse returned the favor in September 1955 over 12 rounds, also in Buenos Aires.
85. Eder Jofre
Jose Legra wasn't an easy mark, and Jofre capped off an improbable and stirring comeback by decisioning Legra to win the WBC Featherweight title in Brazil in May 1973
86. Charley Burley
Burley floored the great Archie Moore in their bout in April 1944 in California, but couldn't keep him down and settled for a 10 round decision win. Moore never fought him again.
87. Mike McCallum
Tricky southpaw Sumbu Kalambay gave McCallum fits in their first two meetings. McCallum dropped a decision to him in Italy in March 1988, and the returned the favor with a difficult 12 round win in Monte Carlo in March 1991.
88. Salvador Sanchez
Juan LaPorte took Sanchez the full 15 in their title fight in Texas in December 1980. LaPorte also went the distance with Eusebio Pedroza, Wilfredo Gomez, Julio Cesar Chavez, and Kostya Tszyu and was stopped just once in a 57 fight, 22 year career.
89. Roy Jones Jr.
Jones was too fast for eventual Middleweight Champion Bernard Hopkins when they met for the vacant title in May 1993 in Washington, D.C. but he never appeared to hurt him.
90. Rodolfo Gonzalez
Tough Bobby Valdez had Gonzalez's number. They fought 3 consecutive times in 1965 and '66, with Valdez winning the first and third. The 2nd bout was a technical draw.
Re: The Guy He Couldn't KO
Posted: 15 Dec 2018, 16:30
by gilgamesh
91. Nigel Benn
Awkward Thulane Malinga never gave Benn a clear shot at him. He took Benn the full 10 rounds in Birmingham in May 1992. in a losing effort, and then ended Ben's title reign with a Split Decision win in Newcastle in March 1996.
92. "Irish" Bob Murphy
In back to back fights in March 1952, journeyman Roy Thomas took Murphy the full 10 rounds. Murphy won both decisions.
93. Paul Berlenbach
The great Young Stribling held Berlenbach to a 6 round draw in August 1924 in New York, then last the 15 round distance with him in June 1926 also in New York.
94. Battling Torres
One time Mexican featherweight titlist Victor Manuel Quijano twice extended Torres the full 10 round distance.
95. Chalky Wright
The excellent Lulu Constantino lost his 3 fight series with Wright, but he pushed him each time. Wright took 8 and 15 round decisions in New York in 1942, and dropped a 10 rounder to Constantino in July 1943.
96. George "KO" Chaney
Chaney fought Johnny Dundee 7 times between 1914 and 1921, and he just couldn't beat him. They fought to 5 no decisions, Chaney was outpointed in 10, and in their last meeting was Disqualified in the 5th round.
97. Andy Ganigan
In an important matchup of prospects in June 1981 in Calofirnia, Ganigan was outpointed by fellow puncher Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez
98. Fred Fulton
Martin Burke, a sparring partner for Jack Dempsey, twice extended Fulton, Burke won a 15 round decision in Louisiana in October 1922, and fought Fulton to a 10 round no decision in October 1924 in Minnesota.
99. Ingemar Johansson
In the final fight of his career, Johansson was taken the distance by Brian London over 12 rounds in Stockholm in April 1963
100. Charley White
White and Johnny Dundee met 7 times between 1912 and 1922. They fought four 10 round no decisions, a draw, and one 10 round win for each man.